ImAlwaysLearning
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Greetings forum goers. Long time lurker. Decided to come out into the sunshine. Struggling atm with some unknown issues. Going to keep this concise and information-dense so that anyone willing to help needs to read as little as possible. Thank you for any help. Three points of interest, not sure if they're related.
1. Dead Mothers
Issue - Three of my mother plants rapidly died after a heavy clone taking session. The leaves curled down/wilted, turned gray/brown starting at the tips, and then died like autumn leaves.. gray, crispy, and completely dead. This happened rapidly. They were dead within 3 or 4 days from taking clones.
Context - Mothers were defoliated and clones were taken same day. Not strain specific, as 2 wedding cake moms died but one survived with no visible damage. Have seen similar issue in past after heavily defoliating/topping/bonsai-ing plants. Occurs after heavy plant damage, not after simply topping or plucking a few fan leaves.
Hypotheses - Plants may have simply lost too much matter too quickly and died from trauma. Plants may be successfully fighting off unknown low-level environmental assault (mold/fungus spores, radon, VOC), which plant can no longer defend against during time of trauma.
Left to right - Top view of mom #1 the day after cutting clone - Top view of mom #2 two days later - Advanced leaf damage
2. Sick Clones
Issue - Clones in TurboKloner become ill quickly after being cut. Strange leaf damage. Plant discoloration. Shriveled/stunted growth.
Context - Clones are effected equally whether taken from one of the mothers that survived healthily, or one of the moms that died. Not strain dependent, happens to all strains. Cloner is ~72 degrees, 24/7 lights, 24/7 pump, T5 bulbs. Reservoir recipe was taken from PermaClone website (linked below, no affiliate, no advertisement, strictly diagnostic information), and has worked in the past with mixed results. Used EC 0.1 (50 ppm @ 500 conversion) tap water as base, bleach as sterilizer, KLN as hormone, Clonex as nutrient solution. No visible slime, rot, fungus inside reservoir. Smells of bleach or chlorine.
Clone Recipe - https://www.permaclone.com/blogs/news/taking-cuttings-the-permaclone-recipe
Hypotheses - Low-level environmental assault mentioned above for mothers could be attacking clones as well. Could have used too much bleach in reservoir. Unknown fungus or bacterial growth could be hiding inside pump, despite sanitary precautions and lack of symptoms. Mother plants could be carrying a disease of some sort, which shows in the lowered immune systems of clones. Reservoir may be too cold or warm.
Left to right - Leaf damage - Leaf damage - Shriveled node - Strange white dots/specks on leaves
3. Environmental Cues
Issue - Efflorescence grows on walls near the floor of the facility. An apparent bio-film appears on any water that stands for more than 12 hours. Some sort of spores grow on the hull or husk of a seed that has recently cracked and sprouted (the plant survives unharmed).
Context - The efflorescence was observed by a mold specialist, and he said not to worry and that it wasn't mold. He did not do any swab tests or sampling of the efflorescence specifically, but found slightly elevated mold spore count in other areas of the facility. The consensus is that there was mold growing inside of the mini split air conditioner air handlers. The bio-film appears in both unused nutrient water (freshly mixed nutrients sitting out in open), as well as used runoff water. Nutrients being used are advanced nutrients sensi grow coco. The spores on the seed happen to all cracked seeds in facility, not just one strain or one individual.
Hypotheses - The mold spores leftover from the AC air handler may be attempting to colonize any standing water. The spores on the seeds may be originating from the husk and therefore normal, but may also be an assault from foreign spores. Although unlikely, the efflorescence may be causing powdered minerals to become airborne, which could be assaulting plants in some way.
Left to right - Seed husk with spores - Efflorescence on walls - Apparent bio-film in day-old runoff solution (not the salt build-up, which is normal)
1. Dead Mothers
Issue - Three of my mother plants rapidly died after a heavy clone taking session. The leaves curled down/wilted, turned gray/brown starting at the tips, and then died like autumn leaves.. gray, crispy, and completely dead. This happened rapidly. They were dead within 3 or 4 days from taking clones.
Context - Mothers were defoliated and clones were taken same day. Not strain specific, as 2 wedding cake moms died but one survived with no visible damage. Have seen similar issue in past after heavily defoliating/topping/bonsai-ing plants. Occurs after heavy plant damage, not after simply topping or plucking a few fan leaves.
Hypotheses - Plants may have simply lost too much matter too quickly and died from trauma. Plants may be successfully fighting off unknown low-level environmental assault (mold/fungus spores, radon, VOC), which plant can no longer defend against during time of trauma.
Left to right - Top view of mom #1 the day after cutting clone - Top view of mom #2 two days later - Advanced leaf damage
2. Sick Clones
Issue - Clones in TurboKloner become ill quickly after being cut. Strange leaf damage. Plant discoloration. Shriveled/stunted growth.
Context - Clones are effected equally whether taken from one of the mothers that survived healthily, or one of the moms that died. Not strain dependent, happens to all strains. Cloner is ~72 degrees, 24/7 lights, 24/7 pump, T5 bulbs. Reservoir recipe was taken from PermaClone website (linked below, no affiliate, no advertisement, strictly diagnostic information), and has worked in the past with mixed results. Used EC 0.1 (50 ppm @ 500 conversion) tap water as base, bleach as sterilizer, KLN as hormone, Clonex as nutrient solution. No visible slime, rot, fungus inside reservoir. Smells of bleach or chlorine.
Clone Recipe - https://www.permaclone.com/blogs/news/taking-cuttings-the-permaclone-recipe
Hypotheses - Low-level environmental assault mentioned above for mothers could be attacking clones as well. Could have used too much bleach in reservoir. Unknown fungus or bacterial growth could be hiding inside pump, despite sanitary precautions and lack of symptoms. Mother plants could be carrying a disease of some sort, which shows in the lowered immune systems of clones. Reservoir may be too cold or warm.
Left to right - Leaf damage - Leaf damage - Shriveled node - Strange white dots/specks on leaves
3. Environmental Cues
Issue - Efflorescence grows on walls near the floor of the facility. An apparent bio-film appears on any water that stands for more than 12 hours. Some sort of spores grow on the hull or husk of a seed that has recently cracked and sprouted (the plant survives unharmed).
Context - The efflorescence was observed by a mold specialist, and he said not to worry and that it wasn't mold. He did not do any swab tests or sampling of the efflorescence specifically, but found slightly elevated mold spore count in other areas of the facility. The consensus is that there was mold growing inside of the mini split air conditioner air handlers. The bio-film appears in both unused nutrient water (freshly mixed nutrients sitting out in open), as well as used runoff water. Nutrients being used are advanced nutrients sensi grow coco. The spores on the seed happen to all cracked seeds in facility, not just one strain or one individual.
Hypotheses - The mold spores leftover from the AC air handler may be attempting to colonize any standing water. The spores on the seeds may be originating from the husk and therefore normal, but may also be an assault from foreign spores. Although unlikely, the efflorescence may be causing powdered minerals to become airborne, which could be assaulting plants in some way.
Left to right - Seed husk with spores - Efflorescence on walls - Apparent bio-film in day-old runoff solution (not the salt build-up, which is normal)
