Notorious BIG > Everyone Else.

themanwiththeplan

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Thats a pretty bold statement I know but up to this point I wouldn't feel good putting anyone above him. Im sure ill catch crap for saying that but its so true and no one could possibly put a song/video/clip up to make me change my mind.

Dude only dropped 2 albums and has more talent than anyone. yes anyone. 2pac (yes i said it)...lil wayne (hahaha easily) or any other mickey mouse "pay me my millions but i dont talk about shit" ass rapper out there.

Its official






EDIT: before anyone accuses me from being from brooklyn or NY or even the east coast you should know im west coast born and raised.
 
themanwiththeplan

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Wouldn't know tbh. Watched the film and thought the music SUCKED
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[video=youtube;4rKnMp9U-Lg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rKnMp9U-Lg[/video]

[video=youtube;qiOYnAwkfIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiOYnAwkfIA[/video]

[video=youtube;oXD13muM8U4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXD13muM8U4[/video]

[video=youtube;TX0RTh4_YfE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0RTh4_YfE[/video]

[video=youtube;l0kJ8GM283Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0kJ8GM283Q[/video]




i could go on but if i did i might just have to post all his tracks. these are a good starting point w/ a few freestyles mixed for added entertainment (and prove he was just as good off the top of his head)
 
tip top toker

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Yeah, i'll stick with my earlier statement. If they had talent, they'd sing and create music, not just talk with a beat :p Not gonna be converting me to that nonsense anytime soon :D
 
themanwiththeplan

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Oh and to be clear the reason i say Biggie > everyone else is also because he was so good, so young. he died at what...24? he was just getting started. 2 albums and to this day people still listen to him. i know i do. I recently came to the conclusion big > everyone else because when i hear a track or freestyle from him it makes me look down on the rest of the tracks in my playlist by other artists.

pretty much no 1 was murdering shit the way he was. not even 2pac imo.

what makes him good imo is that he didnt have many tracks or verses that were worth skipping over. almost all were good. the only "bad verse" ive ever heard from him i can think of off the top of my head is the 2nd verse on the r kelly/big "im f**kin u tonight" track. thats probably the weakest thing ive heard from him and thats only because of the standard he set for himself. any rapper today would have been happy if they wrote it but for his standard it was lacking.

you hear guys like lil wayne and stuff and you find many more tracks worth skipping than listening to. thats what makes a good musician imo (not just rapper). if you can make people like/listen to more tracks than they skip then you're the real deal imo.
 
themanwiththeplan

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tip top toker said:
Yeah, i'll stick with my earlier statement. If they had talent, they'd sing and create music, not just talk with a beat :p Not gonna be converting me to that nonsense anytime soon :D
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wow. you didnt even give it a chance as the vids are longer than the time it took between my post and yours (4mins)

i can respect someone that disagrees with what i said...as we all are open to our own opinions but to just dismiss a whole genre because its supposedly "talking" over/with a beat instead of "real" music is bullsh*t.

If it didn't take talent then everyone would do it and be just as good. its actually pretty hard to rhyme (especially freestyle) let alone have it actually make sense, be smooth, and use clever metaphors. lots of people can do that with a pen and paper and a few hours to work it out but doing it off the top of your head is hard. if not go ahead and make your own youtube video and post it up. go on to sell a few million records..
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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themanwiththeplan said:
wow. you didnt even give it a chance as the vids are longer than the time it took between my post and yours (4mins)

i can respect someone that disagrees with what i said...as we all are open to our own opinions but to just dismiss a whole genre because its supposedly "talking" over/with a beat instead of "real" music is bullsh*t.

If it didn't take talent then everyone would do it and be just as good. its actually pretty hard to rhyme (especially freestyle) let alone have it actually make sense, be smooth, and use clever metaphors. lots of people can do that with a pen and paper and a few hours to work it out but doing it off the top of your head is hard. if not go ahead and make your own youtube video and post it up. go on to sell a few million records..
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No, i did not watch them, i watched part of the fist video and figured to hell with the rest :D If i was trying to convince someone, i'd start on a strong note, certianly didn't seem a strong note, just rap. I'm the type of person who likes the sound of music, not the lyrics, i ahve bever in my life taken the time to consider what is being said, but rather consider how it all sounds. So yes, i dismiss a whole genre because of how it sounds, because to me, it sounds shit, because i look for a certain thing in my music, and it's not the lyrics, and if it is, it's the sound the words make, not their meaning, why i love foreign music.

And you're stepping a VERY shakey line if you're talking about talent and the music industry :D I mean heck, half the artists in the music industry are simply picked to sing someone elses song, all they have is the voice. Freestyle i can certainly see as a talent and a great thing, but again, no way i'd sit and listen to any of it.

I think one of the only "rap" songs i've liked is J Z's blueprint pt 2 and that was purely because he used a fantastic metallica orchestral track for the backing music :)
 
resinousflowers

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pac had more talent,he more depth to his music,more content and subject matter and content.plus he wrote screenplays and acted in movies.plus when he was alive pac had the crown.who was fucking with pac when he was alive?also pac made more albums and classic songs,plus he schooled biggie,taught biggie the game,he was the first rapper to release a double album,the first rapper to release a album using 0 samples,first rapper to have 2 hit songs while in prison,first solo rapper to reach 75 million records sold mark(to date its over 100million)and his work is taught to ppl in a number of colleges and universitys in different parts of the world.
biggie was a good rapper,but he bullshited ALOT,thats what helped him make the songs he did,he rarely spoke that real shit,it was mainly fantasy.he rarely spoke about his real life.and when he did speak about his real life he still lied,like when he said"i grew up in a one room shack"no he didnt,he grew up in a 3 bedroom apartment in brooklyn.plus i dont like the fact he rapped about fucking kids in the arse and throwing there bodies off buildings.and i dont like the fact he rapped about stabbing pregnant women in the belly.and the lies in that notorious movie are ridiculous.he was a very talented rapper but he was a coward and didnt do enough to be considered the G.O.A.T. with only 2 albums compared to pacs 9 albums,and that doesnt include loyal to the game,and resurrection.

[video=youtube;DrKT8HN07co]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrKT8HN07co[/video]
 
tip top toker

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Haha, music matters are being discussed be it Biggie or not, sounds like the thread has achieved more than it's not :)

Oh snap! Game on! ResinousFlowers enters stage left :o
 
resinousflowers

resinousflowers

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substance,content and just real talk.his songs are actually about something worth rapping about,reality.

[video=youtube;JRp4me54Z9s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRp4me54Z9s&feature=related[/video]
 
resinousflowers

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the original version with different chorus.deep.

[video=youtube;F0qNk0dp5Vg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0qNk0dp5Vg[/video]
 
themanwiththeplan

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im not dismissing 2pac. Please don't think that. 2pac's work is worthy of being taught in college. He did do amazing things.

However when it comes strictly to rap i still say biggie > pac.

biggie had a flow about him that made others envious. i think the fact that biggie was only alive for 2 albums and still gets the amount of respect he does to this day and is still relevant says a lot. I can't think of another artist to only have two albums who is as relevant.

just the thought that people still ask/debate/contemplate who is better (biggie or pac) says a lot right there.

I think for as long as he was alive he accomplished more than just about everyone.

Look how many albums guys like 2pac and lil wayne had to release to get that amount of buzz? biggie was hot from demo tape to life after death. he hardly has any tracks that were worth skipping in his two albums.

2pac did school biggie to the rap game but its not like he wrote biggies material. i mean at the time that freestyle was recorded (1989) he didnt even know 2pac yet. he was only 17 at the time...When i was 17 i never met a person with half of his skill on their best day.

2pac was more successful overall but how many albums and movies did that take compared to biggie's 2 albums?

I just think flow for flow biggie eats him. Lots of rappers these days rap "over" beats...biggie rapped and became the beat if that makes sense. in almost every track he released his rhymes were 1 with the music track. he was smooth. i guess thats the word im looking for. smoother than 99% of rappers today thats for sure.

I think if biggie lived a few more years or wasnt shot at all we'd be unanimously calling him the GOAT considering how well he did from his first two albums. i mean the growth he showed on his 2nd album says it all. he wasn't just a great freestyler or rapper but he was one hell of a song writer the way he was able to go from freestyle king to hit maker while NOT selling out at the same time. lil wayne became a hit maker but comparing his work of today to his beginnings he did sell out.

most rappers who hit it big have to sellout these days...thats something big never did and still have nationwide (maybe worldwide) appeal.
 
JayJayDaStoner

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themanwiththeplan said:
im not dismissing 2pac. Please don't think that. 2pac's work is worthy of being taught in college. He did do amazing things.

However when it comes strictly to rap i still say biggie > pac.

biggie had a flow about him that made others envious. i think the fact that biggie was only alive for 2 albums and still gets the amount of respect he does to this day and is still relevant says a lot. I can't think of another artist to only have two albums who is as relevant.

just the thought that people still ask/debate/contemplate who is better (biggie or pac) says a lot right there.

I think for as long as he was alive he accomplished more than just about everyone.

Look how many albums guys like 2pac and lil wayne had to release to get that amount of buzz? biggie was hot from demo tape to life after death. he hardly has any tracks that were worth skipping in his two albums.

2pac did school biggie to the rap game but its not like he wrote biggies material. i mean at the time that freestyle was recorded (1989) he didnt even know 2pac yet. he was only 17 at the time...When i was 17 i never met a person with half of his skill on their best day.

2pac was more successful overall but how many albums and movies did that take compared to biggie's 2 albums?

I just think flow for flow biggie eats him. Lots of rappers these days rap "over" beats...biggie rapped and became the beat if that makes sense. in almost every track he released his rhymes were 1 with the music track. he was smooth. i guess thats the word im looking for. smoother than 99% of rappers today thats for sure.

I think if biggie lived a few more years or wasnt shot at all we'd be unanimously calling him the GOAT considering how well he did from his first two albums. i mean the growth he showed on his 2nd album says it all. he wasn't just a great freestyler or rapper but he was one hell of a song writer the way he was able to go from freestyle king to hit maker while NOT selling out at the same time. lil wayne became a hit maker but comparing his work of today to his beginnings he did sell out.

most rappers who hit it big have to sellout these days...thats something big never did and still have nationwide (maybe worldwide) appeal.
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I am with you on the Flow/wordplay steeze that Big had, I also agree that 2pac has more substance to his music had a message.
BIG was a story teller and a really good one same with BigL and many other artists of that time period but the way his flow fit a beat is unmatchable
all in My opinion of course
 
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Jimi Hendrix was a 1,000,000 times better than those other dead f*ckers. I wouldn't be caught dead listening to that shit.
 
NoSwag

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I love rap genre as a whole, and I dislike a lot, but to me BIG is a good rapper/fat prick. I cant stand half the songs about nutting on a chick with his overweight ass and making her suck it up off his fat buddha belly, it's not my style.
 
themanwiththeplan

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JayJayDaStoner said:
I am with you on the Flow/wordplay steeze that Big had, I also agree that 2pac has more substance to his music had a message.
BIG was a story teller and a really good one same with BigL and many other artists of that time period but the way his flow fit a beat is unmatchable
all in My opinion of course
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I can agree with pretty much all of this. Both were great in opposite ways. it seems like what biggie lacks, 2pac has...and the other way around. If they did a record together it would have probably been the greatest selling rap album in history.


Sandbagger said:
Jimi Hendrix was a 1,000,000 times better than those other dead f*ckers. I wouldn't be caught dead listening to that shit.
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Yeah. Better at what HE did. Jimi Hendrix and biggie/pac is like comparing tony hawk to ali. both great. both athletes...but very different. In their respective genres they were all equally great. jimi's instrument was his guitar...biggie/pac's instruments were their minds and voices.


NoSwag said:
I love rap genre as a whole, and I dislike a lot, but to me BIG is a good rapper/fat prick. I cant stand half the songs about nutting on a chick with his overweight ass and making her suck it up off his fat buddha belly, it's not my style.
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which is respectable. Some love it. some hate it. I love delivery so i dont mind what is said all the time more so how it was put together. thats what makes me like biggie. not many other rappers put things together so smoothly.

whats funny is girls loved biggie back when he was around. no matter how much he said about them lol.
 
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themanwiththeplan said:
Yeah. Better at what HE did. Jimi Hendrix and biggie/pac is like comparing tony hawk to ali. both great. both athletes...but very different. In their respective genres they were all equally great. jimi's instrument was his guitar...biggie/pac's instruments were their minds and voices.
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What Hendix did was actually make music not just play a guitar. He could do it all. He wrote, played, and sang it. Unlike those other wannabe thugs you mention. Their crap is not music. There is a rap song you should listen to by a group called Itis. Rap with a C.....C-R-A-P.
 
LeeGullEyes

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Any good artist makes their songs about things. In Biggies case look at ready to die and life after death those songs all have themes where as lil wayne talks about how awesome he is in 90% of his songs

The Notorious BIG is limited by Gangsta Rap as theres only so many things he can rap about

Kid Cudi, also in the hip hop category, was poor and made something of himself while avoiding the crack and guns allowing his songs to cover a wider variety of themes

Now im with you I love all the hardcore basically Eminem and everything before, especially biggie. I thought Kid Cudi was like lil wayne drake and anyone on the radio

There are very few albums you can listen to front to back (Illmatic, Ready to Die, Life After Death, Slim Shady Marshall Mathers LP's). And 3 of Kid Cudis albums fit in that Category. Biggie, Eminem, 2pac, Outkast had 2.

He is the TRUTH

Listen to- A Kid Named Cudi, Man on the Moon (1 and 2) They will blow ur mind

Dont forget to smoke some pot first
 
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