Nute burn?! Already flushed, is she gonna be okay??

Voluptubuds

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Currently I'm running 3 60w 65k CFL's, 18hrs on and 6 off. Temps are steady between 65-78 degrees

Soil is foxfarm lite warrior, and I've begun to start a lite seedling earth juice nutrient regiment; 1/2 tsp catalyst, 1/4tsp microblast, 1/4tsp grow, in a brewed compost tea using foxfarm ocean forest (for the solid ingredients; fish emulsion, crab meal, shrimp meal, earthworm castings, bat guano, kelp meal, oyster shell, etc) and great white shark root booster (14 strains of bacteria)
Being areated at 44gal per hr in a one gallon container

pH of tea and soil balanced at 6.5

Burn started at day 8, and I've flushed it. New growth is green, but other leaves still getting more and more yellow.

What should I do?!
 

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*BUDS

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Its not nute burn although youd think it was with the cocktail of stuff you have in the mix. Next time start the seedlings in lighter mix like coco or peat until you get your medium and feed dialed in properly. You cant just throw a random mix together and expect it to work like a pro grower .
Anyway here is some info on nute burn.

Nutrient Burn
by Nebula Haze

Is it Nutrient Burn?
Also commonly known as cannabis "Nute Burn"

Quick Summary: Nutrient burn is one of the most common beginner cannabis growing problems, and is a result of the roots taking in more nutrients than a cannabis plant can use.

This excess level of nutrients causes a brown or yellow "burn" along the tips of your leaves. If nutrient levels are not lowered, the burnt tips start traveling inwards and tend to get crispy and twisted.

Take me straight to the solution for nute burn!



Nutrient burn is most common when feeding cannabis too-high levels of bottled nutrients and especially chemical nutrients (for example - hydroponic setups often use chemical nutrients that are easily available to plant roots because they increase potency and yields, but these nutrients are so accessible to the plant roots that they can cause nutrient burn if the grower adds too much).

Nutrient burn can also happen when plants or seedlings are grown directly in soil that has a high level of nutrients (a "hot" soil or growing medium) such as fresh compost, manure or a nutrient-amended soil mix. This usually happens to young seedlings, and they will "grow out of it" as they begin to use up all the nutrients in the soil, as long as more nutrients are not added.

Problem: You will notice the tips of your leaves showing the first signs of nutrient burn by turning yellow, tan, gold or brown. A light case of nutrient burn will only affect the tips of your leaves.

The yellow tips will eventually turn rusty brown and crispy. If you do not correct the problem, you may also notice the burn slowly spreading from the tips to the whole leaf. At this point, if you haven't done so already, you should immediately treat your plant (directions below) before there's more damage.



Nutrient burn can also manifest itself as brown or bronze spotting around the edges of the leaf serrations (often when there's an problem with proper absorption of potassium), or with leaf tips curling downwards (tips pointing down is often associated with too much nitrogen).

Nutrient burn can cause burnt spots on the serrated edges - not just the tips
(often caused by the plant absorbing too much potassium)



No matter which kind of nute burn you have, the solution remains the same (full instructions below)

Why Growers Should Care About Stopping Nutrient Burn

I have heard some growers say that a little nutrient burn is actually a good thing, because it means that you are giving your plant the highest level of nutrients it can use. A lot of growers have the mistaken idea that nutrients are somehow "food" for your cannabis plants, and so more food = more energy = bigger yields.

This is wrong, instead nutrients are more like a multi-vitamin for your plant. Just like you can't give a child 10 multivitamins a day to make them grow faster, you can't give your plants 10x the regular does of nutrients and exact anything good to happen.

The real "food" for your plant is light. Your plant produces energy from light through a process known as photosynthesis, which is most effective when the plant has healthy green leaves.

Your leaves are like solar panels, and the energy produced by the leaves is used as energy for the whole plant. You need the leaves to be in tip-top shape to get the most energy from the lights, so your plant has plenty of energy to grow and produce buds.

Therefore, the biggest problem with nutrient burn is the fact that you are losing leaf mass and overall leaf robustness on your cannabis plant.

A little nute burn won't slow down your plants much, if at all, but if nute burn is left out of control, you will begin to lose serious leaf mass and it will dramatically slow down plant growth and reduce your overall yields.

What's worse, if excess nutrients are not flushed out of the plant's system before harvest, the buds may contain trace amounts of extra nutrients, giving the buds an unpleasant chemical-like taste. Speaking of the flowering stage... (Wait, what's the flowering stage?)



Nutrient Burn is More Serious in the Flowering Stage

Cannabis plants spend the beginning part of their life in the vegetative stage. When cannabis plants enter the second part of their life, the flowering stage, they stop focusing on making leaves and stems, and put all their focus on making buds/flowers.

The flowering stage is the most vulnerable stage for cannabis plants, because they don't have much ability to bounce back from any problems.

The further you get into the flowering stage (and the closer you get the harvest), the less likely the plant will replace a leaf that is damaged or dies. By the time harvest is around the corner, your plant basically stops making any effort to recover from leaf damage, and it's complete focus is on fattening buds.

That's why budding cannabis plants need extra care to thrive - in the flowering stage, a little bit of nutrient burn will probably be okay, but too much nutrient burn can seriously hurt yields because the plant will not be able to recover. If you are adding nutrients to your water, it can be very easy to burn your plants in the flowering stage (even with nutrient levels it was fine with before) as different strains have different needs throughout budding.
 

Bugeye

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Young plants don't need all the shit you are feeding them. You are going to love them to death. Just go water only and let them get their roots in. Then transplant up and keep them on water only until they have been in their final pots for a couple weeks. Thes start giving them the shit.
 

Voluptubuds

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Thank you Bugeye and *BUDS, I've taken your advice and have been leaving her alone. But she is continuing to get worse at the moment. The largest leaves are turning more yellow and purple. As well, the cotyledons are getting pretty crispy and new growth is purplish. What's more, the semi-new growth has brown pits in it, as well as browning tips, and purple stems. Also there are tons of white hairs under the leaves and on the stem.

Can anyone help me diagnose this? Or lead me in the right direction for some deeper research
 

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marcospartida

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Currently I'm running 3 60w 65k CFL's, 18hrs on and 6 off. Temps are steady between 65-78 degrees

Soil is foxfarm lite warrior, and I've begun to start a lite seedling earth juice nutrient regiment; 1/2 tsp catalyst, 1/4tsp microblast, 1/4tsp grow, in a brewed compost tea using foxfarm ocean forest (for the solid ingredients; fish emulsion, crab meal, shrimp meal, earthworm castings, bat guano, kelp meal, oyster shell, etc) and great white shark root booster (14 strains of bacteria)
Being areated at 44gal per hr in a one gallon container

pH of tea and soil balanced at 6.5

Burn started at day 8, and I've flushed it. New growth is green, but other leaves still getting more and more yellow.

What should I do?!
You dont want to give a pant that small any nutrients... I wouldnt
 

DannyBlaze2

Active Member
You can give'em Nutes after the first week just make it simple with low ppm after first week 250 ppm. Your plant in the pic should get about 500 ppms...
 

Pat1341

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For me I prefer to use a basic seed starting mix like black gold, very little nutrients in it and I just ph water and rapid start for the first few weeks then I use nutrients after they have grown a bit. But honestly I don't need to feed until they are larger than what you have going... I would just keep giving her water and see how she develops.
 

Black Cough

Member
Growing on top of a rug seems like a bad idea to me. I know that isn't your problem now, but it will become one later. At least vacuum it up!

As far as your current issue, relax! Hope this helps!
 

Voluptubuds

New Member
Moved her into a bigger pot and have cut the nutrients untill she gets bigger. Found out that I had actually nute locked the soil, and since flushing didn't do anything I started her in a bigger pot with fresh soil (50/50 FFOF and lite warrior). She seemed to like this and is growing nicely now. My next step is to start nipping the nodes for scrog.

Also, I updated the lighting to 400w
MH lighting with a dimmable ballast and 2 fans in there. Temps are steady around 78-84. I was running the lights at 100% a foot away and started to notice the leaves turning slightly brighter. So I turned it down to 75%
 

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Alienwidow

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Wow, ya did everything wrong. Sucks to hear but its true. That light was killing it at the same time as the nutrient cocktail. Your nute burn wont go away for a while. It will probably kill all the leaves that are turning, slowly. Best advice i have for you is feed nothing for at least two weeks, maybe even three. Its probably going to slow down to a crawl while growing for two reasons. 1 because your leaves and roots are screaming for death right now, and 2 because unfortunatelly youll probably over water like crazy trying to leach the soil and wet plants wont grow fast.
Best advice i have for ya is to heat up your room and get the air moving so the soil mix dries fast. Sounds like your temps are a little warm already, and you have two fans you say so, thats covered. Maybe water in to a little extra run off to help the leaching go faster and make sure its dry before you water again. That and ride it out. It looks like theres only a couple leaves that still want to die on the bottom but eventually id cut those off cause they will die eventually anyhow.
You were on the right track and i admire your enthusiasm but my first grow i went with base nutes and calmag. And it came out great. I tinker now but i first learned to grow with the bare essentials. Good luck.
 

Voluptubuds

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Pictures from today...

She seems to be
doing really well, nute burn leaves are actually getting better. She's turning more green, and the brown spots are starting to chill. Seems to me that everything is cool now, been watering every other day no nuits and light is good at 75%, and also brings temps down to 72-76 range.IMG_20150925_244441216_HDR.jpgIMG_20150925_244454453_HDR.jpg IMG_20150925_244441216_HDR.jpg IMG_20150925_244454453_HDR.jpg IMG_20150925_244441216_HDR.jpg
 
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