One question.

Longtime grower and new to the board. My question is this. Why all the hate for Crop King? I have been lost in my own little world reading threads here at rollitup for the last four hours stoned off my ass from a pinch of dark angel via the bong. WTF. I think some of you just lack skills and blame the breeder or bank. They are just as potent if not more so than others I have tried. Dutch Passion, Nirvana, Shantibaba they are just as beautiful and vigorous as the rest. Currently have CSI Humboldt Branded Purple and Mr. Nice G-13/Skunk running. I will sample these in a couple of months but its not like they are outperforming Crop King.

Sounds like your a long time grower.

Sounds like your a long time grower

RetiredGuerilla said:

Longtime grower and new to the board. My question is this. Why all the hate for Crop King? I have been lost in my own little world reading threads here at rollitup for the last four hours stoned off my ass from a pinch of dark angel via the bong. WTF. I think some of you just lack skills and blame the breeder or bank. They are just as potent if not more so than others I have tried. Dutch Passion, Nirvana, Shantibaba they are just as beautiful and vigorous as the rest. Currently have CSI Humboldt Branded Purple and Mr. Nice G-13/Skunk running. I will sample these in a couple of months but its not like they are outperforming Crop King.

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I have grown 5 different auto-fem strains from Crop King and have had issues with each strain.

Had a fem become male, several that were not auto's (required 12/12 to flower), dwarfs that were not short, and one that produced seeds.

Yet I continue to use them because they are a local company and I can purchase their seeds at our 420 party for a reduced price.

When things go well they are quite decent....but problem free they are not

ISK said:

I have grown 5 different auto-fem strains from Crop King and have had issues with each strain.

Had a fem become male, several that were not auto's (required 12/12 to flower), dwarfs that were not short, and one that produced seeds.

Yet I continue to use them because they are a local company and I can purchase their seeds at our 420 party for a reduced price.

When things go well they are quite decent....but problem free they are not

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There is NO such thing as 100% fem seeds! Not auto fem or photo fem! Males do happen in all fem breeding!

The real question would be "Why auto's" here and now?

Seeds from any female require pollen. Where did that come from? Most herming plants are environmental reactions.

NOT saying it was you at fault ISK, just that these things do happen.......As for the rest, That does fall on the breeders lap.

Dr. Who said:

There is NO such thing as 100% fem seeds! Not auto fem or photo fem! Males do happen in all fem breeding!

The real question would be "Why auto's" here and now?

Seeds from any female require pollen. Where did that come from? Most herming plants are environmental reactions.

NOT saying it was you at fault ISK, just that these things do happen.......As for the rest, That does fall on the breeders lap.

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Yes, I understand that fem's are not 100%, but it was just another kick in the ass from Crop King

Auto's work very well in my situation, as my indoor sunshine days are limited, thus photo's just take too long to finish in my environment

Yes, I agree "shit does happen" but with Crop King seeds the odds of shit happening seems rather high....I'm not the only one who has posted negative feedback about Crop King.

Yes environment can cause herming, but when you have 3 plants in the exact same environment and only one produces seeds, this could indicate genetics

All those breeders you listed suck, sounds like your a long time grower.

Not to hijack. But what's the problem with getting seeds? I mean. Unless your whole plant is producing them. I don't see all that much of a problem.

They're free. They're basically a copy of their parent plant. And they weigh fuk all...

Also. I don't know shite about seedbanks. Never used one. But, I've browsed a few of them just about top to bottom. And have come across waaaaaay to many strains I want to play with.

Nugachino said:

Not to hijack. But what's the problem with getting seeds? I mean. Unless your whole plant is producing them. I don't see all that much of a problem.

They're free. They're basically a copy of their parent plant. And they weigh fuk all...

Also. I don't know shite about seedbanks. Never used one. But, I've browsed a few of them just about top to bottom. And have come across waaaaaay to many strains I want to play with.

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Seed production greatly reduces THC levels. A plant that hasn't started seed production keeps swelling with THC containing resin glands in hopes of catching pollen. Once it starts seed production, chemical levels change, moving is energy to growing viable seeds to survive, rather than bulking on resin glands.

Even the odd bud getting one or two in it?

Dr. Who said:

There is NO such thing as 100% fem seeds! Not auto fem or photo fem! Males do happen in all fem breeding!

The real question would be "Why auto's" here and now?

Seeds from any female require pollen. Where did that come from? Most herming plants are environmental reactions.

NOT saying it was you at fault ISK, just that these things do happen.......As for the rest, That does fall on the breeders lap.

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Males do not happen in fem breeding, if you cross a fem and a fem it is impossible to make a male.

I stand firmly behind that fact!

Kingrow1 said:

Males do not happen in fem breeding, if you cross a fem and a fem it is impossible to make a male.

I stand firmly behind that fact!

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This is correct. The pollen from a female plant introduced to colloidal silver will genetically read female due to the balls being produced by the inhibition of ethylene, not by the unwanted process of forced dominant genetic expression of the hermaphrodite allele. So the zygote (seed) will have both sex chromosomes read female, guaranteeing the plant will be female. Usually, the two sets of haploid cells from the parents' gametes would be donated one set by a genetic male and the other by a genetic female. We inhibit the production of the female flowering hormone with colloidal silver, which just manipulates the sex organs but not the alleles/chromosomes.

WTF "longtime grower" bullshit whose to say who produces the best genetics.

RetiredGuerilla said:

WTF "longtime grower" bullshit whose to say who produces the best genetics.

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Man you have been spewing alot of hate and false info in the past couple days. Chillout smoke a fatty and dont get so worked up and youll have more fun here.

Kingrow1 said:

Males do not happen in fem breeding, if you cross a fem and a fem it is impossible to make a male.

I stand firmly behind that fact!

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Olive Drab Green said:

This is correct. The pollen from a female plant introduced to colloidal silver will genetically read female due to the balls being produced by the inhibition of ethylene, not by the unwanted process of forced dominant genetic expression of the hermaphrodite allele. So the zygote (seed) will have both sex chromosomes read female, guaranteeing the plant will be female. Usually, the two sets of haploid cells from the parents' gametes would be donated one set by a genetic male and the other by a genetic female. We inhibit the production of the female flowering hormone with colloidal silver, which just manipulates the sex organs but not the alleles/chromosomes.

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Sorry to say this guys!

Your both WRONG! In a way,,,,

No matter how a plant is forced to fem. There is NO guarantee of it doing 100% female seeds. Males do happen, and sometimes that male is the holy grail seed for breeders.

I've seen it happen! Just like ISK has, and recounted it here! It is DAMN rare, but does happen!

Science may say one thing but, Nature is a fickle bitch, and seems to have a sense of humor = Shit happens!

This from a breeder's explanation of feminized seeds.

"When I am making reversed lines, there is only one reason I do it. It is NOT to
make it easier for a person to produce an entirely female crop(I'll explain more
later on why this isn't a concern) - I do it to produce a pure line (IE:
Selfing) or if I want to cross a specific line to another and there are no
available males from one of the lines (IE - crossing 2 different clone-onlies).
Essentially I do it to keep lines as true to the clones and selections I've
made.


Why do I not think it's a concern in this situation to try to make an all female
line? Because it can't be guaranteed to always be female and not produce males.


Sexual expression is 50% determined by environment. I don't know how everyone's
grow room is that buys my gear...I don't know how they feed, I don't know what
temp it is, I don't know what medium, etc... There is no way to guarantee the
sexual expression of a plant when 50% of the determining variables are out of
our control. And it's not just us, it's any seed company that can't factor in
all of those variables. It really is as simple as that. there are certain
things you can do to increase the likelihood through chemicals after a flower is
blooming (in the case of cannabis, use ethephon or dutch master reverse -
ethylene is the opposite of gibberelins - kinda like how estrogen is the
opposite of testosterone)."

That help to get your head wrapped around the point?

Dr. Who said:

Sorry to say this guys!

Your both WRONG! In a way,,,,

No matter how a plant is forced to fem. There is NO guarantee of it doing 100% female seeds. Males do happen, and sometimes that male is the holy grail seed for breeders.

I've seen it happen! Just like ISK has, and recounted it here! It is DAMN rare, but does happen!

Science may say one thing but, Nature is a fickle bitch, and seems to have a sense of humor = Shit happens!

This from a breeder's explanation of feminized seeds.

"When I am making reversed lines, there is only one reason I do it. It is NOT to
make it easier for a person to produce an entirely female crop(I'll explain more
later on why this isn't a concern) - I do it to produce a pure line (IE:
Selfing) or if I want to cross a specific line to another and there are no
available males from one of the lines (IE - crossing 2 different clone-onlies).
Essentially I do it to keep lines as true to the clones and selections I've
made.


Why do I not think it's a concern in this situation to try to make an all female
line? Because it can't be guaranteed to always be female and not produce males.


Sexual expression is 50% determined by environment. I don't know how everyone's
grow room is that buys my gear...I don't know how they feed, I don't know what
temp it is, I don't know what medium, etc... There is no way to guarantee the
sexual expression of a plant when 50% of the determining variables are out of
our control. And it's not just us, it's any seed company that can't factor in
all of those variables. It really is as simple as that. there are certain
things you can do to increase the likelihood through chemicals after a flower is
blooming (in the case of cannabis, use ethephon or dutch master reverse -
ethylene is the opposite of gibberelins - kinda like how estrogen is the
opposite of testosterone)."

That help to get your head wrapped around the point?

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Sounds more like a complete fluke of nature rather than a pre set genetic occurance. Although i will not support it as an out come of genetics i will not argue with respectable members that it is possible.

Kingrow1 said:

Sounds more like a complete fluke of nature rather than a pre set genetic occurance. Although i will not support it as an out come of genetics i will not argue with respectable members that it is possible.

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I'll spray a few buds with a personal mixed formula of Silver Nitrate and Sodium Thiosulfate. I find my mix as delivering a more positive result with higher stability in down line breeding, over CS.....Much to my surprise some years back. I got a pure male out of a number of S1 seeds! Due to it being a clone only strain (south east Asian strain, Seeds that came back from the Vietnam war, were no longer viable). .....I was beyond pleased (and shocked). That was the first time it happened to me! That strain is now safely being kept alive and more stable then before.

I have seen the male seed from S1 seeds happen 4 times. Twice for me and once for 2 others. All different strains. They have all been robust and quality producers of viable pollen, that reflect the mother very well...In one case it stabilized a foxtailing trait down to about normal in 25% in seeds running 2 pheno's. So about 1 in 4 beans expressed that stabilized or "repressed" trait. That's the pheno several of us run now.

I can't explain it kingrow. Science and logic, say's it can't happen. "Nature finds a way" is all I can say now.....Just like how they said it in Jurassic Park!

And thanks for understanding too!