Organic nutrient suggestions?

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Smokenpassout

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I grow my cannibus in ffof and use iguana juice grow and bloom for nutrients. I get decent results. I wonder what other orgaic nutrients out there are good and hopefully cheaper? It has to be good for use in soil.
 
https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/
This thread here. This will change your life and your entire perspective on soil and plant nutrition. And it's the cheapest way for sure.
First post links to the only readable thread on icy-mag - the first 100 pages there pretty much cover everything you need to get started.


hyroot said:
anything from a bottle is not organic.
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Come on, we all know this one isn't right. Sorry to be that guy - I know exactly what you're getting at, and entirely agree with your sentiment, but I don't think it's really useful to put such patently false things up where someone asks for help.

I'd suggest "bottles of organics totes suck for growing weed" as a more accurate way of putting it.
 
I agree that the claims on many bottled products are laughable at best, but there are a few good organic bottles to keep on hand

-Eco-Hydro Fish Hydrolysate

-BioAg Ful Power

- Neptunes Harvest (fish and/or kelp)

To name a few...

I actually keep a bottle of Earth Juice Grow around, too. I feed it to my house plants, and also use it for a "quick fix" if I see someone getting hungry and don't feel like brewing a tea or waiting for a top dressing to take effect. It's not "certified", but a look at the low NPK numbers and a whiff of the bottle tells me there's some organic goodness in there...
 
smokey the cat said:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/
This thread here. This will change your life and your entire perspective on soil and plant nutrition. And it's the cheapest way for sure.
First post links to the only readable thread on icy-mag - the first 100 pages there pretty much cover everything you need to get started.



Come on, we all know this one isn't right. Sorry to be that guy - I know exactly what you're getting at, and entirely agree with your sentiment, but I don't think it's really useful to put such patently false things up where someone asks for help.

I'd suggest "bottles of organics totes suck for growing weed" as a more accurate way of putting it.
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its not false. General organics, botanicare, Vega matrix, advanced nutrients, fox farm, humboldt nutrients, earth juice, etc.. All have a varying percentage of chemicals. Dragon fly earth medicine is organic though. But that comes in packets and mason jars. Kyle kushman got pissed at me when he said his Vega matrix line has 3-5% chems. Then I said its not organic publically. He got all upset. He said his crack team of chemists designed the best bang for any nutrients and produces better results than anything. Then I said your crack team of chemists huh. Well its still not organic.
 
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I dunno what you see in the nursery shops, but here's an example of the online marketing guff that accompanies a product I see locally a lot.

http://www.yates.co.nz/products/fertilising/organic-based/nitrosol-organic-liquid-fertiliser/
Nitrosol Organic is made from fish based blood and bone. It is carefully manufactured according to strict criteria permissible for the production of certifiable organic inputs. Nitrosol Organic contains nitrogen and phosphorus from blood and bone, and potassium from the by-product of the sugar beet industry.
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It's not certified, but fucked if I know what to call it if not an 'organic fertliser in a bottle'.

"Organic" is the problem here. It's a rather fluffy word, in an industry that ranges from moonbeams and druid magic to scam artists and commericial liars. All referring to noone knows exactly what - so much that it genuinely has become meaningless. Might as well substitute the word "natural" in it's place for all it actually tells us about things.
Real talk for a second - "non-synthetic" possibly has some potential as a useful phrase to describe growing without chemical fertz.


Anyway - I like your posts Hyroot. You're officially a good bugger in my book and good on you for the real talk to the douches in the industry. Respect mate. Sheeeeeeeit!

As an aside
When SWIM got part of their farm accredited to some Organic Program(TM) or other I used to joke with him about the silly pageantry of the whole thing. As if the neonicotinoids his bees brought back from the neighbours wasn't an issue, as though the last hundred years of cultivation with DDT and dioxins and who know's what in his soil would vanish after a couple of seasons of ditching the Roundup. How big does a pure organic bubble around a block of farmland have to be to allow us all to pretend that it's a perfect uncontaminated biosphere? Cause I've seen satellite pictures detecting industrial plumes from China going halfway around the Northern Hemiphere.
Double sheeeeeeeeit! haha. He let his registration lapse pretty quick too - no surprise there.

I pity the poor buggers who just want to read and understand a label on something on the shelf at the
nursery or (god forbid) grow shop. And that's assuming the manufacturer can be trusted, haha.


Anyway, Smokenpassout - bro best thing you can do is start up a compost pile and get friendly with some worms ASAP. As Hyroot says "life's a garden, dig it". Sheeeit!
 
those certified organic or omri listed don't mean shit. Pure spray green is omri listed. They lied about ingredients . That was recently banned from California because it's petroleum based. Not at all organic. Most nutrient companies don't disclose all ingredients on the label. But they have to with the dept of agriculture in each state when they register their products for sale .
 
Gotta love conflicting regulatory regimes - seems hugely inefficient way of doing beusiness. What sort of penalty do companies face for falsely representing their stuff or do they just get away with it unless some chump decides to sue?


My pet peeve with that O word - petroleum and other hydrocarbons are literally organic. Like, literally. Who is the awful human being who decided that the word organic would magically become opposite meaning? I've always been "grrr that polymer bottle is organic you sick mother fuckers"
 
Smokenpassout said:
I grow my cannibus in ffof and use iguana juice grow and bloom for nutrients. I get decent results. I wonder what other orgaic nutrients out there are good and hopefully cheaper? It has to be good for use in soil.
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Sounds like first things first. You need to get some real soil. Get rid of the FFOF and iguana juice hydrostore crap. Read at least the first few pages of the Recycled Organic Living Soil thread and start making your own soil.

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smokey the cat said:
Gotta love conflicting regulatory regimes - seems hugely inefficient way of doing beusiness. What sort of penalty do companies face for falsely representing their stuff or do they just get away with it unless some chump decides to sue?


My pet peeve with that O word - petroleum and other hydrocarbons are literally organic. Like, literally. Who is the awful human being who decided that the word organic would magically become opposite meaning? I've always been "grrr that polymer bottle is organic you sick mother fuckers"
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if they don't register or they falsify any information. As far as I know the get banned from that state and pulled from shelves.. I don't know if any fines or extra fees have to be paid. I'd imagine there is. Humboldt countys own is one company where they were one of the first companies to have several products banned in California. snow storm, gravity, bushmaster, phosphoload.
 
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