Outlaw pot growers in California fear legalization

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PadawanBater

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REDWAY, Calif. — The smell of pot hung heavy in the air as men with dreadlocks and gray beards contemplated a nightmarish possibility in this legendary region of outlaw marijuana growers: legal weed.
If California legalizes marijuana, they say, it will drive down the price of their crop and damage not just their livelihoods but the entire economy along the state's rugged northern coast.
"The legalization of marijuana will be the single most devastating economic event in the long boom-and-bust history of Northern California," said Anna Hamilton, 62, a Humboldt County radio host and musician who said her involvement with marijuana has mostly been limited to smoking it for the past 40 years.
Local residents are so worried that pot farmers came together with officials in Humboldt County for a standing-room-only meeting Tuesday night where civic leaders, activists and growers brainstormed ideas for dealing with the threat. Among the ideas: turning the vast pot gardens of Humboldt County into a destination for marijuana aficionados, with tours and tastings — a sort of Napa Valley of pot.
Many were also enthusiastic about promoting the Humboldt brand of pot. Some discussed forming a cooperative that would enforce high standards for marijuana and stamp the county's finest weed with an official Humboldt seal of approval.
Pot growers are nervous because a measure that could make California the first state to legalize marijuana for recreational use will appear on the ballot in November. State officials certified Wednesday that the initiative got enough signatures.
The law, if approved, could have a profound effect on Humboldt County, which has long had a reputation for growing some of the world's best weed.
In recent years, law enforcement agents have seized millions of pot plants worth billions of dollars in Humboldt and neighboring counties. And that is believed to be only a fraction of the crop.
"We've lived with the name association for 30 or 40 years and considered it an embarrassment," said Mark Lovelace, a Humboldt County supervisor. But if legalization does happen, he said, the Humboldt County name becomes the region's single most important asset.
"It's laughable at this point to try to be hush-hush about it," he said.
Humboldt County's reputation as a marijuana mecca began in the 1970s. As pot users began to notice a decline in the quality of Mexican weed, refugees from San Francisco's Summer of Love who moved to the forested mountains along California's conveniently remote North Coast began figuring out better ways to grow their own. The Humboldt name soon became a selling point for marijuana sold on street corners across the country.
These days, the small towns in this region about five hours north of San Francisco are dotted with head shops and garden supply stores.
California is one of 14 states that allow people to grow and use marijuana for medical purposes, but recreational use remains illegal. (And will remain illegal under federal law, regardless of how California votes.)
For decades, the outlaws, rebels and aging hippies of Humboldt County have been hoping for legalization. But now that it appears at hand, many clandestine growers fear it will flood the market with cheap, corporate-grown weed and destroy their way of life.
About 20 pot growers gathered on a patio outside the meeting Tuesday to discuss the dilemma posed by legalized pot. Many wore baseball caps and jeans, just like farmers anywhere else in America. No one addressed anyone else by name, a local custom driven by fear of arrest, but that didn't stop some in the group from lighting up their crop.
Many complained that legalization would put them in the same bind as other small farmers struggling to compete against large-scale agribusinesses.
A dreadlocked younger grower who said he had already been to prison for marijuana objected that no one could replicate the quality of the region's weed. When he was a kid, he said, "Humboldt nuggets — that was like the holy grail."
"Anyone can grow marijuana," he said. "But not everyone can grow the super-heavies, the holy bud."
Under the ballot measure, Californians could possess up to one ounce of marijuana for personal use. They could cultivate gardens up to 25 square feet, which is puny by Humboldt County standards. City and county governments would have the power to tax pot sales.
Some growers Tuesday fantasized about mobs of tourists in limos streaming to the county. Others were not thrilled with the idea of paying taxes on their crop.
Many agreed with the sentiment on a sticker plastered on a pizza joint's cash register: "Save Humboldt County — keep pot illegal."

Is it just me or do these fools seem to be pretty damn selfish?
 

theSinned

Active Member
I don't think its really selfish. I mean yes, they are concerned about their personal interests, as everyone should be.
It is pretty much guaranteed that if it were recreationally legalized, the price of marijuana would go down. And with added taxes on any legit grow, they'd be losing even more of their profits.
These people have invested huge amounts of time, money and labor into their farms, and its possible that in a year their crops will be worth half as much.

To be honest, I like the way it is here myself. Still technically illegal, but in San Francisco, you can get it ridiculously easily, and police don't care about people smoking. I'm not sure I really want to be able to buy weed at the liquor store on the corner.
 

ultraviolet pirate

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i believe complete legalization will be hard on everyone..and who out there is going to be able to compete with big tobacco when it gets its hands into the mix? yes, i know there will still be a market for good weed, all im saying is this is going to end a way of life for a lot of farmers...im curious also, anyone from cali seeing a rise in drug violence? im wondering if legal weed is forcing some to sell coke and other hard drugs..and we all know what comes with that.
 

redivider

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wow.

legalization of weed could be a possibility and a couple of stoners on a pot growing website are complaining.

geez.....
 

drewsb420

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Its the movement, your not gonna stop it, just like more and more medical states are popping up, cali will be the first state to legalize and it will only spread you watch, give it time. I feel for those growers up there that make a living off it, but it what it is there's nothing anyone can do about it.
 

ultraviolet pirate

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it isnt a cut and dry issue, every act has consequences. who knew at the beginning of the iraqi war that the price of oil shooting up and staying up would eventually kill my buddys painting biz?..the cost of oil based paints and fuel went up, everyone else felt the crunch, then the housing bullshit, biz dropped off,and his biz failed...all strands in a delicate web..i wouldnt want legal weed if it means i have to compete with marlboro to get it to the consumer (because i couldnt)and i wouldnt want my underground competitor switching to running coke because theres no money in weed anymore...simply saying weed is legal now will have some unintended cosequences, of that im sure...if discussion is complaining, then im going to whine away... many times in the us we have done stupid shit out of knee jerk reactions that we regret later..it needs to be talked about, by everyone.
 

sven deisel

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yeah i look at it this way if you keep it to yourself and dont sell it than you shouldnt have anything to worry about but with the economy the way it is its nice to know if need be i can grow a money tree i hope they never make it legal
 

captiankush

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I think everyone is fearful because they don't know how things will shake out once its legal. IMO, legalization won't be the OMG moment for the growers they think it will.

The market is able to support specialty brands. I will give you an example...in the beer world you have anheiser - busch, they make budweiser and several other beers. Their beer is consumed by the vast majority of people, BIG business. Yet, at the same time you have many profitable much smaller "micro" breweries being supported by the same market, with a small market share. Examples would be Sam Adams, sierra nevada, gordon beirsch, really, there are too many to name. They command a slightly higher price, one that people are willing to pay because of the quality and overall experience. Its just like wines from certain vineyards commanding higher prices then others. It will be the same with cannabis. There will always be a niche for quality and connoisseurs will always fill this niche with plenty of $$

Seriously, Legalization is the best possible thing we can do for ourselves. The biggest reason I can give anyone as to why we should legalize...take a look at the REAL casualties of the war on cannabis...the people locked up for cannabis, the people who constantly have to worry about the pigs, the mother's, wives and families missing their loved ones because of a plant. That is the biggest cost of this war on drugs and especially, on cannabis.

The sad thing is that it seems that some in the cannabis world would "put in" with the enemies of cannabis like law enforcement, big pharma, and the private prison industry to try to defeat legalization. When you look at who is going to be trying to defeat it, thats who your throwing in with, folks. The same people who have been locking you up, poisoning your body, and making money off the backs of innocent cannabis convicts since it was criminalized.

Thats who your with if you do not support legalization.

My .02

CK
 

CrackerJax

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Most businesses run on around a 10% net profit margin. Weed will follow those lines....if you can survive that, then you will continue.
 
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guitarabuser

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who knew at the beginning of the iraqi war that the price of oil shooting up and staying up would eventually kill my buddys painting biz?
I think your memory is a little fuzzy. The price of oil shot up because of hurricane Katrina. At least that was the excuse. The Iraq war was just one of many others that they used to keep it there.

Back on topic: My family had its share of moonshiners during prohibition. I'm sure my uncles were not too thrilled when that was repealed either. The price MIGHT come down, but I think it will actually go up. The profits will just be smaller with Uncle Sam involved.
 

redivider

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this ain't about oil.

it's about weed starting to be legalized.

i don't think malboro will tap into the weed market, unless through a subsidiary.

the market will also balance itself much like it has right now.

in the case of a place where weed has been tolerated, like amsterdam, the prices of weed at dispensaries is slightly higher than prices in the US for dank, but lower for shwag.

i believe the same behavior will happen to weed prices in the US, a bit higher for dank, a bit lower for shwag.
 

CrackerJax

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I was addressing a side issue.... duh.

It all depends on what legalization actually means. It's too early to call...it may not even happen. Certainly, not by the Democrats...they have dissed the issue.
 
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PadawanBater

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I was addressing a side issue.... duh.

It all depends on what legalization actually means. It's too early to call...it may not even happen. Certainly, not by the Democrats...they have dissed the issue.
Dude, is EVERYTHING fuckin' partisan with you?

Jesus.:wall:
 

stupidclown

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i know i'll vote no. keep it underground. keep the risk in it and you keep the profits higher. this gets to wide spread weed will be the new tabacco big guys will buy all the land in nor-cal and put most of the growers out of work. some will make it but how about the others that don't know any thing but growing and selling weed? alot would move on to sell real drugs or worse have to go to work for the corporate assholes that shut them down
 

redivider

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you will vote no on a measure to legalize weed. you are crazy.

and there will not be endless fields of marijuana owned by walmart co. to completely obliterate the weed landscape.

profit margins on illegal substances are quite larger than that of legal entities, that's why it only takes a dumbass to make money selling illegal drugs.

the growers who cannot compete if the shit's legal should not be in the game to begin with....
 
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