Planing to make RSO and need opinion
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qwizoking
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If cannabinoids are the "medicine" why would you not only want to evaporate the terpenes but severely dilute this medicine
Go buy a bottle of chlorophyll if you feel that will help you..
If your wanting cannabis for medical purposes..you would want cannabinoids terpenes esters etc that all carry over benefits. These are what makes our plant special.
Or you can destroy them through pyrolisis denaturing sensitive terps to shit...
Idk maybe you don't want cannabinoids....I for one prefer a high concentration for my medical use
I use fresh frozen retaining all that is good....
Go buy a bottle of chlorophyll if you feel that will help you..
If your wanting cannabis for medical purposes..you would want cannabinoids terpenes esters etc that all carry over benefits. These are what makes our plant special.
Or you can destroy them through pyrolisis denaturing sensitive terps to shit...
Idk maybe you don't want cannabinoids....I for one prefer a high concentration for my medical use
I use fresh frozen retaining all that is good....
Ivone
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Obviously you know more about it then me and that's fine. Now if you care to explain all that jargon in English you are welcome. I would like to follow what you are trying to say and keep it KISS.
Of course I want the best I can make, but I don't understand what exactly I get 2 weeks drying the weed.
Or what exactly would I lose if I use it uncured.
Of course I want the best I can make, but I don't understand what exactly I get 2 weeks drying the weed.
Or what exactly would I lose if I use it uncured.
qwizoking
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Can't really do kiss..haven't even heard it since high school (well and uncle ben saying it all over the place), but I can help to educate..
The medical benefits in cannabis come from the diverse compounds found inside. Cannabinoids and terpenes playing the biggest role, these would be things like thc (and the propyl) thcv cbc cbcv cbd cbdv and many more..the terps would be things like myrcene caryophyllene linalool etc
Drying the weed means you lost all the water, which is in relatively much higher amounts than terpenes that can have a low similar boiling point..this means take away the water, take away the terps..then you still have to purge the solvent from your extract..obviously some compounds with a much higher boiling point are also lost during this process or at least reduced drastically
If you left it uncured nothing is lost...since we are separating the trichomes from the plant matter the harsh qualities of uncured bud won't carry over.
I perform a quick wash on fresh frozen material. Freezing traps the polar ickies that serve no purpose preventing their extraction into the also chilled solvent. The fresher the better for terpene retention.
Now these compounds don't like heat light oxygen chlorine etc.. and will break down quite quickly using ricks suggested methods..he does openly admit that he has no scientific background..
We do not condone his practices here
The medical benefits in cannabis come from the diverse compounds found inside. Cannabinoids and terpenes playing the biggest role, these would be things like thc (and the propyl) thcv cbc cbcv cbd cbdv and many more..the terps would be things like myrcene caryophyllene linalool etc
Drying the weed means you lost all the water, which is in relatively much higher amounts than terpenes that can have a low similar boiling point..this means take away the water, take away the terps..then you still have to purge the solvent from your extract..obviously some compounds with a much higher boiling point are also lost during this process or at least reduced drastically
If you left it uncured nothing is lost...since we are separating the trichomes from the plant matter the harsh qualities of uncured bud won't carry over.
I perform a quick wash on fresh frozen material. Freezing traps the polar ickies that serve no purpose preventing their extraction into the also chilled solvent. The fresher the better for terpene retention.
Now these compounds don't like heat light oxygen chlorine etc.. and will break down quite quickly using ricks suggested methods..he does openly admit that he has no scientific background..
We do not condone his practices here
Ivone
Member
Would these ALL disappear if I place them wet in 80-100% alcohol?
Are you saying that by the time the water get vaporized it will vaporize the good stuff as well.?
Nothing lost then? So no need the dry it?
So it will lose the quality?
I am still lost...........
charface
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He says he made it simple so anyone
could make it.
I agree that retaining more of the cannabinoids sounds great.
Are you saying that you can just eat
iso hash and get the same result?
they sell that Oily black goo for 25
per half gram at dispensaries.
Im just trying to figure out why.
Part of me wants to beleive it has something to to with the heat decarbing
being helpfull and possibly the drying
degrading some thc to cbn.
just trying to figure out
if rso is made differently for a reason.
if not you could always decarb your
iso but then your losing stuff also.
Anyway
qwizoking
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OK I'm gonna place some of my previous quotes here..I think there's a lot of questions
(The cure)
the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintaingass transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure
Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner taste/high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
When you strip the trichs off the bud..the undesirable properties of uncured plant matter don't carry over as their isn't any.
For a compound to have "drug likeness" it must have a polar surface area (psa) under 60 angstroms in order to cross the blood brain barrier.. in the polar acid form(thca) its psa is 66...meaning you will feel effects from cbd as the cb1 receptors give you a high and located in the brain.. the cb2 receptors are located throughout the body and don't require a reduction in polarity..no bb barrier to cross
a psa under 60 is optimum and some will cross up to about 70. thca at 66 will cross in high doses..this would be a huge waste of product however..especially since it takes relatively high doses to get high, after decarbing it drops to 30..
We don't want high concentrations of cbn as its binding affinity is some 9 times less..this is counter productive
Rso is made by someone who has no idea what he's doing, that's why he started out with this method and even suggesting dangerous practices
Qwiso is an extremely simple process and not in including the freeze beforehand or the evaporation afterwords takes less than 5 minutes to make. And yes will have the same or rather more medicinal benefits than rso
"they sell that Oily black goo for 25 per half gram at dispensaries."
My hash is white and crystalline
(The cure)
the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintaingass transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure
Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner taste/high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a lower ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
When you strip the trichs off the bud..the undesirable properties of uncured plant matter don't carry over as their isn't any.
For a compound to have "drug likeness" it must have a polar surface area (psa) under 60 angstroms in order to cross the blood brain barrier.. in the polar acid form(thca) its psa is 66...meaning you will feel effects from cbd as the cb1 receptors give you a high and located in the brain.. the cb2 receptors are located throughout the body and don't require a reduction in polarity..no bb barrier to cross
a psa under 60 is optimum and some will cross up to about 70. thca at 66 will cross in high doses..this would be a huge waste of product however..especially since it takes relatively high doses to get high, after decarbing it drops to 30..
We don't want high concentrations of cbn as its binding affinity is some 9 times less..this is counter productive
Rso is made by someone who has no idea what he's doing, that's why he started out with this method and even suggesting dangerous practices
Qwiso is an extremely simple process and not in including the freeze beforehand or the evaporation afterwords takes less than 5 minutes to make. And yes will have the same or rather more medicinal benefits than rso
"they sell that Oily black goo for 25 per half gram at dispensaries."
My hash is white and crystalline
lio lacidem
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Ok ill simplyfy it for you guys. You do NOT need to dry it. Fresh starting material frozen while also freezing your solvent makes the best concentrate. RSO is a very low grade extract. There are many much bettet options if you look around check out skunkpharm research holy annoiting oil. Much better product. Hope that helps.
Fresh off the vine gives better quality, but requires more solvent because of the large volume of raw material. During drying the volume of material is reduced by 4-5 times, and the extraction process becomes more compact.
Ivone
Member
Awesome info and reading - thank YOU
Ivone
Member
Great news as well! Why? Because instead of wasting all that high grade alcohol making RSO, I am planing to recover most thru distillation. So no issue using 4-5 times more.
thank YOU for the input
charface
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Ivone
Member
That sound nice, but the oil I bought now taste like shit ans it suppose to be RSO (that's why I WILL make my own)
I am NOT planing to smoke it. Just good dry weed is good enough for me..........
I have read and watched films about the brain receptors, yes they have to be small to past thru to work on the receptors blah, blah... - Same question apply > will I lose that if I don't dry the weed?
What's Qwiso?
qwizoking
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It tastes bad because it was poorly extracted....its rso, that's what you should expect. The poor taste is lack of terpenes and added poop. A proper extract smells more potent than the flower it came from as its basically cannabis "essential oil"
What I was saying is we cure to smooth the plant matter, this doesn't carry over to hash
And how is good dry weed good enough for you..I don't understand..what do you plan on doing with that? And why is that good
You lose if you do dry the weed........but it has to be decarbed to get high we do this over a double boil watching co2 bubbles, it does not necessarily have to be decarbed to feel the medical benefits.. I really can't simplify this anymore....it would help if you used proper english
Qwiso= quick wash Isopropanol
What I was saying is we cure to smooth the plant matter, this doesn't carry over to hash
And how is good dry weed good enough for you..I don't understand..what do you plan on doing with that? And why is that good
You lose if you do dry the weed........but it has to be decarbed to get high we do this over a double boil watching co2 bubbles, it does not necessarily have to be decarbed to feel the medical benefits.. I really can't simplify this anymore....it would help if you used proper english
Qwiso= quick wash Isopropanol
Ivone
Member
Finaly we getting somewhere: That's WHY I want to make my own. At least I know where is it from, from what strain and how was it made.
But I am talking about med oil..
Ok, let me explain. The Good dry weed for me is: Aurora, Sensi Star, Chronic etc. > Melow, music, relax, and sleep.
The oil I am planing to make is for medical purpose & benefits. I really like to make the best, with the purest ingredients (no naphta or other junk).
Yes, it will be expensive to make and I am hoping to distil/recover the alcohol in the process to reduce cost. (so far no one thought about it)
As my original question: wet or dry? Just an innocent question to see what are the benefits to dry it if I am going do place it in the alcohol anyway. That was all..
Regardless, thank you for your help and time
Fadedawg
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The primary reason for extracting fresh frozen material, is to retain the material in carboxylic acid form, and to retain more of the aromatic monoterpenes. Important for material primarily used for vaporizing.
If you are going to ingest it orally, you will most likely be decarboxylating it anyway, which will also cost you the monoterpenes, so I would extract dry material, because it takes less runs for the same amount of oil.
QK made the point that when you extract and concentrate the diterpene cannabinoids, you do the same thing to the mono and sesquiterpenes, so it starts out more pungent than the original material.
It may or may not be suitable leaving it in that condition, depending on the terpenes present, because some of the terpenes also add harshness and aren't tasty in heavy concentration.
Fine artisan vaporizing material to me, has just the right mono and sesquiterpene levels to capture the fragrance, taste great, and be smooth to vaporize.
I prefer my vaporizing oil heady, because I can take care of the rest of my symptoms with sublingual oils more effectively, so I prefer young Sativas handled gingerly and left in shatter form.
The point was also made that you can turn chicken salad into chicken shit by poor techniques, which include leaving Naphtha in RSO oil. If it tastes or smells off, I recommend that you not use it.
If you are going to ingest it orally, you will most likely be decarboxylating it anyway, which will also cost you the monoterpenes, so I would extract dry material, because it takes less runs for the same amount of oil.
QK made the point that when you extract and concentrate the diterpene cannabinoids, you do the same thing to the mono and sesquiterpenes, so it starts out more pungent than the original material.
It may or may not be suitable leaving it in that condition, depending on the terpenes present, because some of the terpenes also add harshness and aren't tasty in heavy concentration.
Fine artisan vaporizing material to me, has just the right mono and sesquiterpene levels to capture the fragrance, taste great, and be smooth to vaporize.
I prefer my vaporizing oil heady, because I can take care of the rest of my symptoms with sublingual oils more effectively, so I prefer young Sativas handled gingerly and left in shatter form.
The point was also made that you can turn chicken salad into chicken shit by poor techniques, which include leaving Naphtha in RSO oil. If it tastes or smells off, I recommend that you not use it.
PlainfieldPuff
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Your a smart dude , and I learned a lot from your posts, but man it’s annoying when you turn EVERY RSO thread into a QWISO conversation lol. The man is asking about dried vs fresh flower for RSO. Your telling him that using fresh frozen for a quick cold wash is your preferred method , that’s QWISO. You don’t quick wash RSO, or am I wrong. If that’s the case, and I’m wrong, what’s the difference between QWISO and RSO made with iso?
1). I am planning on making a rather large batch of RSO. Not my first time by any means, but the quality of the product will be much better and much more of it so I’m trying to optimize my process. I usually made it with dried buds, about a 10-12 day dry 60f/60Rh then 60f/40rh. At 60f and 60rh I don’t believe I’m evaporating any terpenes that I’m aware of, and the water is not leaving quick enough to damage the trichomes. Now if I dried it quicker , at a higher temp, above 68, I would start to lose some terpenes is my understanding.
2). I have recently been made aware that THCa and CBDa combined works best to treat pain.
A better, stronger cannabinoid for pain relief?
Cannabis has been consistently used to treat pain since the beginning of its medicinal history. Even today, the most common reported use of medical cannabis is for pain relief, and support for this is not only anecdotal, as there’s a large body of evidence supporting this claim. Although...
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In this case, making the RSO with fresh flower would be more effective for pain management I am lead to believe Please correct me if I’m wrong, I have a swazi gold x purple tangie high in cbd I think would be perfect for this.
I am wondering how you go about making RSO ? Sorry for the long text.