Please amend a simple organic aproach

Propagation with root feed

Light mix 1L air pot transplant with great white dusting or water dilute (also with molasses?) / Molasses water first 2 weeks / Iguana juice grow week after. Seltzer foliar every other morning


Biobiz all mix (or variant) in 20L air pot transplant by week 3 to 4, more great white. Add molass and iguana grow in transplant water?.

4week more veg with LST and molasses/iguana watering. Carbonated foilar.

Bloom

1 more week molasses/iguana grow?. Stop carbonated foliar feed at week 3

Iguana bloom week 2 until finish.

Organic carbo load / when to start?, can use throughout instead of molasses?
Organic big bud (does it exist) when to start

A compatible simple tea?. When to use.

Thank you.

why the carbonated foliar?

ShLUbY said:

why the carbonated foliar?

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The under side of leaves can draw carbon dioxide from water. I don't know the full merit or if it can be mixed with tea foliar for double benefit.

seems like carbon dioxide would be of little concern during veg. a good ventilation system with fresh air or passive air in will work perfect. I am not one to foliar feed anything usually (except for emergencies) and i think carbonated water would be my last choice. best of luck though.

And are you asking people to amend your simple organic approach???

Flowki said:

The under side of leaves can draw carbon dioxide from water. I don't know the full merit or if it can be mixed with tea foliar for double benefit.

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I doubt it's helping much. I used to try doing this when I first started growing but found it to be a waste of time. Read about in an old edition of an Ed Rosenthal book I believe. Good airflow with intake of fresh air works much better. Sounds like you've got a hodge podge of organic liquids there but you do not mention what's in your mix. I think you mean recommend a simple organic approach....
The only products I would recommend using is the great white and molasses. Iguana juice is an AN product & biobizz is an entire line of products that claim to be "organic" but a living soil web is not naturally fed from bottles. The bottled nutrient mentality is the wrong approach in my opinion but in theory you could get away with soup style organic methods that are much like using synthetics.
A better way is to build a solid mix first- or buy it already bagged up for convenience. If you feed the microbial life in the soil that will feed the plants; then all you have to do is maintain their populations & provide clean water. Molasses can be used as a nutrient but it's best as a catalyst in an organic tea as it feeds microbes & gives them something sticky to cling to & populate on. I use big bloom as a base in some tea recipes for convenience but im not sure how effective it is on its own; though it is safe for living soil. That is the key phrase....living soil. Maintaining a living soil is the simplest organic approach anyone could recommend but this requires more emphasis on your soil mix than on what products to use/buy.

green_machine_two9er said:

And are you asking people to amend your simple organic approach???

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Yes, I am interested in the most basic way to cover all main, trace and myco. As close to the format list I set out as possible.

Richard Drysift said:

I doubt it's helping much. I used to try doing this when I first started growing but found it to be a waste of time. Read about in an old edition of an Ed Rosenthal book I believe. Good airflow with intake of fresh air works much better. Sounds like you've got a hodge podge of organic liquids there but you do not mention what's in your mix. I think you mean recommend a simple organic approach....
The only products I would recommend using is the great white and molasses. Iguana juice is an AN product & biobizz is an entire line of products that claim to be "organic" but a living soil web is not naturally fed from bottles. The bottled nutrient mentality is the wrong approach in my opinion but in theory you could get away with soup style organic methods that are much like using synthetics.
A better way is to build a solid mix first- or buy it already bagged up for convenience. If you feed the microbial life in the soil that will feed the plants; then all you have to do is maintain their populations & provide clean water. Molasses can be used as a nutrient but it's best as a catalyst in an organic tea as it feeds microbes & gives them something sticky to cling to & populate on. I use big bloom as a base in some tea recipes for convenience but im not sure how effective it is on its own; though it is safe for living soil. That is the key phrase....living soil. Maintaining a living soil is the simplest organic approach anyone could recommend but this requires more emphasis on your soil mix than on what products to use/buy.

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I would like a good pre mixed organic soil. ''Biobizz® All-Mix was developed especially to be the best potting soil for organic cultivation. It consists of 20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic Worm-Humus , 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix''. I would like a pre mixed good organic soil with nice aeration and retention (is that possible). If this is not it, do you know what is?.

AN iguana juice is the first I've seen that has a simple grow - bloom, can you recommend a cheaper better alternative compatible with myco?. Is super plant tonic + something else a good option?.

Their is no space for mixing / storage of lots of ingredients.

Organic carbo and big bud suggestions?. Finally an applicable but basic tea, preferably one that can be used every water along side super tonic (if that's the choice)

I have read many forums with complex recipes and conflicting information, both have lead me to post this. I want the myco most importantly and then a simple way to accommodate them in every feed while also feeding plant.

Why are you trying to overcomplicate things with these things? Decent soil mix (roots), Water, Molasses, Coconut water, Aloe, Cal Mag

Vnsmkr said:

Why are you trying to overcomplicate things with these things? Decent soil mix (roots), Water, Molasses, Coconut water, Aloe, Cal Mag

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Because I don't know what I'm doing. That is a vague derogative list, but helpful. Thank you.

I agree with others. This isn't much more than dirt and water. I've seen a real flood of complete bullshit "science-based" solutions lately

Flowki said:

Yes, I am interested in the most basic way to cover all main, trace and myco. As close to the format list I set out as possible.



I would like a good pre mixed organic soil. ''Biobizz® All-Mix was developed especially to be the best potting soil for organic cultivation. It consists of 20% sphagnum peat moss, 35% garden peat, 10% high quality organic Worm-Humus , 30% perlite and 5% Pre-Mix''. I would like a pre mixed good organic soil with nice aeration and retention (is that possible). If this is not it, do you know what is?.

AN iguana juice is the first I've seen that has a simple grow - bloom, can you recommend a cheaper better alternative compatible with myco?. Is super plant tonic + something else a good option?.

Their is no space for mixing / storage of lots of ingredients.

Organic carbo and big bud suggestions?. Finally an applicable but basic tea, preferably one that can be used every water along side super tonic (if that's the choice)

I have read many forums with complex recipes and conflicting information, both have lead me to post this. I want the myco most importantly and then a simple way to accommodate them in every feed while also feeding plant.

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Well the most simple easy way would be to forget everything you've got planned up there. Build your soil from scratch and ammend with all dry meals and minerals. Very sinple. Water and ewc teas only. And msybe 4x tea for entire grow. If this interests you i or others can provide more exact recipes. But it is micro herd farming. We keep littles farmer's happy in thr soil and they grow/feed yout plants. Humans aren't needed and most thr time oit suoer awesome ideas just send us backwards.

Hey OP (Original Poster) I started going organic, and started a grow journal today if youd like to learn with me. Its in the grow journal section on first page (My Organic Grow Report) is the name.

I bought like the 8 different bags of amendments, which you mix into a base soil (such as compost/Earth worm castings/sphagnum peat moss and perlite) at a semi specific ratio and let it sit (people call it "cook") for like 45 days then use it. If you want to get into organic I personally suggest...

-Buy the book "Teaming with Microbes"
- Read the organic section here, especially the sticky at the top called "ROLS"

- Look into, and build a worm bin (Easy and fun)

-after you figure out what recipe your going to follow, start sourcing amendments locally if possible. I had to buy 80% of my stuff online, I go thru amazon. You can get a free 30day trial of Amazon prime which gets you FREE TWO DAY SHIPPING. Can I say drool??

-Hope this doesnt bother you guys, I dont PM these people but follow and see what @greasemonkeymann and @green_machine_two9er and @DonTesla are great with organics. Look at their grow logs and such.

I wish I wouldve started with organics, rather than spending money/time on synthetics. (I used House and Garden which actually went super well.)


- @Midweek Song is legit for seeds. Hes prompt, I had 100% Germ ratio and you can pick freebies.


Organics can seem really indepth, but the main reasons I switched over were..

- Water only with ocassional tea, so dont have to mix nutes and piss off your girlfriend lol..

- Initial investment is more than worth it, save $$ in the long run.

-I hear the taste/smell/ and..Medicinal Value are more desirable than synthetics.

Take care

Kind Sir said:

-Hope this doesnt bother you guys, I dont PM these people but follow and see what @greasemonkeymann and @green_machine_two9er and @DonTesla are great with organics. Look at their grow logs and such.

I wish I wouldve started with organics, rather than spending money/time on synthetics. (I used House and Garden which actually went super well.)




Take care

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I appreciate the kind words, and for the record, anyone can PM me, and i'll respond.
I'm here m-f ,830-4pm PST

Kind Sir said:

Hey OP

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I very much appreciate the post but as said, storage and work space are partly the reason I want to avoid manual mixes. Mainly (shamefully?) mixing soil does not appeal to me in the slightest. A simple top dressing of some sort after transplant or mid bloom (if applicable) is something I may enjoy though. I will look over those journals out of interest.

However, I like the feed mix routine of synthetic but dislike the chemical aspect. It would be nice to follow out a similar engaging yet simplistic routine with organic, the best of both worlds from my perspective.

Richard Drysift said:

The bottled nutrient mentality is the wrong approach in my opinion but in theory you could get away with soup style organic methods that are much like using synthetics.

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Do you have more details on this?.

Flowki said:

I very much appreciate the post but as said, storage and work space are partly the reason I want to avoid manual mixes. Mainly (shamefully?) mixing soil does not appeal to me in the slightest. A simple top dressing of some sort after transplant or mid bloom (if applicable) is something I may enjoy though. I will look over those journals out of interest.

However, I like the feed mix routine of synthetic but dislike the chemical aspect. It would be nice to follow out a similar engaging yet simplistic routine with organic, the best of both worlds from my perspective.




Do you have more details on this?.

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do you have access to vermifire?
it's a premade bagged soil and works very nicely for growing cannabis, and you can even go water only if you provide enough soil (at least ten to fifteen gallons if inside)
no bottle nothing.
And yea, mixing soil sucks, but ya can't get wine without crushing some grapes man..

Flowki said:

I very much appreciate the post but as said, storage and work space are partly the reason I want to avoid manual mixes. Mainly (shamefully?) mixing soil does not appeal to me in the slightest. A simple top dressing of some sort after transplant or mid bloom (if applicable) is something I may enjoy though. I will look over those journals out of interest.

However, I like the feed mix routine of synthetic but dislike the chemical aspect. It would be nice to follow out a similar engaging yet simplistic routine with organic, the best of both worlds from my perspective.




Do you have more details on this?.

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Ive tried the best of both worlds approach. It doesn't work. imo all or nothing will always give your a better product. Now if you stuck on being "organic" but want to keep a synthetic approach when it comes to feeding and whatnot. My advice (as much as i hate to admit it) would be go with a good organic based nutrient line (nectar for the gods works) and use a SOILESS medium. Peat, coir, per lite or something.
But thats assuming you love messing with ph constantly. having to water more often, leaving a much larger room for error. also like to play with pesticides and sticky traps. monitor ppms, runoff, O and ph again of course.

OR... Mix soil one time every three months. there are easy ways to do it to cut the heavy lifting out if thats your worry.
But as far as daily chores and using the plants natural pest and disease fighting characteristics to your advantage, water only awesomeness. take the whole plunge. living organic soil. Thats my 2 cents. maybe ill post some new bud shots soon and that may sway ya! got some new strains coming out here any day

green_machine_two9er said:

Ive tried the best of both worlds approach. It doesn't work. imo all or nothing will always give your a better product. Now if you stuck on being "organic" but want to keep a synthetic approach when it comes to feeding and whatnot. My advice (as much as i hate to admit it) would be go with a good organic based nutrient line (nectar for the gods works) and use a SOILESS medium. Peat, coir, per lite or something.
But thats assuming you love messing with ph constantly. having to water more often, leaving a much larger room for error. also like to play with pesticides and sticky traps. monitor ppms, runoff, O and ph again of course.

OR... Mix soil one time every three months. there are easy ways to do it to cut the heavy lifting out if thats your worry.
But as far as daily chores and using the plants natural pest and disease fighting characteristics to your advantage, water only awesomeness. take the whole plunge. living organic soil. Thats my 2 cents. maybe ill post some new bud shots soon and that may sway ya! got some new strains coming out here any day

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if it's any reference at all, I have a shitty back, and I DON'T do heavy lifting (other than women...)
it's not hard

I'm the opposite, playing with dirt is one of my favorite things about the switch to organics. Playing in the worm bin, layering compost piles, mixing compost, screening compost (I screen mine through a 1/4" x 1/4" grate), adding amendments and mixing it all together, oh yeah, good times.
Wearing a respirator sucks, but I just wear it while mixing in certain ingredients, then rip it off as soon as the dust is knocked down

Flowki said:

I very much appreciate the post but as said, storage and work space are partly the reason I want to avoid manual mixes. Mainly (shamefully?) mixing soil does not appeal to me in the slightest. A simple top dressing of some sort after transplant or mid bloom (if applicable) is something I may enjoy though. I will look over those journals out of interest.

However, I like the feed mix routine of synthetic but dislike the chemical aspect. It would be nice to follow out a similar engaging yet simplistic routine with organic, the best of both worlds from my perspective.




Do you have more details on this?.

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You don't have to mix anything if you just buy bagged soil but there is such a thing as soup style Organics. Just use the "organic" products you have in lieu of nutrients to force feed your plants. I cannot give much more detail because I prefer to use live active soil. I suggest reading up on Organics before diving in or you will be spending a lot on products you may or may not need. Somebody already said teaming with microbes - good call- I recommend picking up True Living Organics by The Rev.
Honestly maintaining living soil is so much easier and cheaper than using any products from a grow store plus you'll learn more and be more engaged in what's going on with your plants. Or just follow the labels, get to be buddies with the hydro store dudes, & save up for those pricey AN products it's up to you.

420nstargazer said:

I'm the opposite, playing with dirt is one of my favorite things about the switch to organics. Playing in the worm bin, layering compost piles, mixing compost, screening compost (I screen mine through a 1/4" x 1/4" grate), adding amendments and mixing it all together, oh yeah, good times.
Wearing a respirator sucks, but I just wear it while mixing in certain ingredients, then rip it off as soon as the dust is knocked down

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HAHA yeah i am the same way. I not only love getting all deep and dirty. nothing better than having to use your hair to get packed dirt out of your fingernails. playing in worm bins is more than fun. its like being god of an entire little ecosystem. IDK i love it.

greasemonkeymann said:

if it's any reference at all, I have a shitty back, and I DON'T do heavy lifting (other than women...)
it's not hard

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Yeah i feel ya. although my back has healed itself! well no, but with streching daily and being barefoot on earth as much as possible. there are some crazy real anti inflammatory effects which come from being GROunded directly to earths natural electrical charge. something to look into for anybody with back/joint pain. ive been barefoot for almost 8 months now. although im pretty sad about winter and boots and shit. OR there are some crazy side by sides down with 100's of house plants, flowers, cuttings one being grounded one not. ant the grounded plants DO amazing. the one that i saw that blew my mind was two bouquet of flowers. one with the little food packet and one with a electrode that was grounded outside. those flowers stayed healthy and alive for i think 3 extra days. crazy shit. wonder what it could do for cannibus indoors.

Richard Drysift said:

You don't have to mix anything if you just buy bagged soil but there is such a thing as soup style Organics. Just use the "organic" products you have in lieu of nutrients to force feed your plants. I cannot give much more detail because I prefer to use live active soil. I suggest reading up on Organics before diving in or you will be spending a lot on products you may or may not need. Somebody already said teaming with microbes - good call- I recommend picking up True Living Organics by The Rev.
Honestly maintaining living soil is so much easier and cheaper than using any products from a grow store plus you'll learn more and be more engaged in what's going on with your plants. Or just follow the labels, get to be buddies with the hydro store dudes, & save up for those pricey AN products it's up to you.

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You know a good majority of hydro store owners that ive met all just sell that shit, and grow organic. weird.