Premixing soil

im giving soil mixing a shot, i just picked up some bone meal, blood meal and epsome salt at home depot. i was planing on getting worm casting but they didnt have it (were do you get it?) can yall throw me a quick receipt with measurments for my vegging plants i looked all over but i could find any, ( i will use this base for flower stage soil when i transplant, what should i add?) can yall help?

there are diff. soils for stages? just keep it in one. do you just add these to some dirt how good are those things in soil, should I buy them for my outdoor grow?

If you are planting close by where you can keep an eye on it then all this sounds good. If you are planning on planting outdoors where you don't have easy access then skip the bloodmeal. It only attracts animals to come and dig it up.

countryboy said:

im giving soil mixing a shot, i just picked up some bone meal, blood meal and epsome salt at home depot. i was planing on getting worm casting but they didnt have it (were do you get it?) can yall throw me a quick receipt with measurments for my vegging plants i looked all over but i could find any, ( i will use this base for flower stage soil when i transplant, what should i add?) can yall help?

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1/3 perlite ,1/3 peatmoss, 1/3 worm castings, ive read very good mixture... when transplant you can add bat-guano

its gonna be a very controlled indoor.

ok cool...

countryboy said:

its gonna be a very controlled indoor.

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now i have
25lbs worm castings
peat moss
perlite
epsom salt
blood meal
bone meal

how much of each should i mix with the 25 lbs of worm poo?

i just read if i use peat moss then i need to use lime? is that true. im makin this much more complicated then needs be!
would just
castings, perlite, bone and blood meal work for a good mixture??? if so whats the measurements?

countryboy said:

i just read if i use peat moss then i need to use lime? is that true. im makin this much more complicated then needs be!
would just
castings, perlite, bone and blood meal work for a good mixture??? if so whats the measurements?

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The reason people say to add lime to peat moss is because it can make your soil mix very acidic. Last grow, my peat-based soil became so acidic that I had to harvest a bit early before the plants died. Lime raises the pH. However, commercial lime often contains a lot of trace chemicals, so you get a little extra something if you shop around for the right one.

As far as the mix, there are plenty of soil mix formulas in the GrowFAQ. You could scale down Subcool's "Super Soil" as well. I think the Super Soil is a concentrate though, so don't throw plants straight in it. Otherwise, I'm sure there are directions on using the ingredients as a soil amendment on the bag. I think you should add some peat, coco, or something else, though. The soil mix you are describing sounds really hot, and will probably burn your plants. Oh, and I want to say that a little goes a long way with Blood Meal. That stuff is no joke. It will burn your plants. The smell of it also makes me gag. Maybe you will be able to stand it. Also, if you can get a hold of a little high-phosphorous bat guano, it will treat your plants well.

So, there are a couple suggestions. I am still learning the art of organic soil mix through trial and error, so don't take my word as unarguable truth. I hope you get it all sorted out!

S-Town

thank you. yea i been searchin through recipes . how much blood meal should i use with all 25lbs of castings? how about the bone or should i wait to add the bone meal when i translpant to flowering? ill add i bit of peat moss but not alot
its mostly just gonna be castings and perlite

countryboy said:

thank you. yea i been searchin through recipes . how much blood meal should i use with all 25lbs of castings? how about the bone or should i wait to add the bone meal when i translpant to flowering? ill add i bit of peat moss but not alot
its mostly just gonna be castings and perlite

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I would go at least 1:1 with the peat moss to worm castings. Worm castings are a great thing, but i think that they may be too hot to use alone, especially if adding bloodmeal. If you insist on using all worm castings, I would omit the blood meal. Blood meal is water soluble, so you could just put a little top-dressing on the plants if you ever have any N deficiency. For the bone meal, I think about 1 tbs/gallon of mix would be good for them. Then, when you transplant for flowering, maybe step it up to 2 tbs/gallon or more. Bone meal is pretty mild as far as an ability to burn plants, so you should be safe. You should put it in now, though. Your plant still need P and K in veg, just as it will need N in flowering. The priorities change, but the plant will still need a well-rounded diet. Also, see if you can get some bloom guano when you transplant for flowering. Buds love that stuff with a passion. It also makes for a great all-organic feed in the form of tea.

S-Town

thank you. so the original recipe the 1/3,1/3,1/3 castings,peat moss, and perlite? nice and simple. a thin layer covering the surface be right of the blood meal? 1tbsp/ gallon mix for bone meal? ill be picking up some bat guano asap. if that sounds right then i think ive got it! thank you

countryboy said:

thank you. so the original recipe the 1/3,1/3,1/3 castings,peat moss, and perlite? nice and simple. a thin layer covering the surface be right of the blood meal? 1tbsp/ gallon mix for bone meal? ill be picking up some bat guano asap. if that sounds right then i think ive got it! thank you

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With the blood meal, I meant to put it on if and when you get Nitrogen deficiencies. The worm castings should sustain the plants for a while. If you ever find your leaves yellowing, you can topdress with a little bit of blood meal. You should always treat deficiencies rather than try to force feed the plant. Once you know how your chosen strain likes to be fed, you can start with a hotter soil mix if necessary. Always remember that nutrient burn is a great deal worse than underfeeding a plant. Also, Fox Farm Big Bloom is a nice little organic feed, if you can get a hold of a bottle. However, stay away from the rest of the Fox Farm Line if you are trying to go all organic.

S-Town

S-Town

control the PH with Dolomite lime it also contains magnesium and is very gentle- worm castings tend to be a bit acidic also but the dolomite 1/4-1/3 cup for 5 gal mix will fix that as for the mix worm castings should make up about 20-25% of the total or it will compact too much. I use bat guano the kind w/o any nitrogen 0-15-2 when the plants are budding 1/4 cup per plant (on top of soil so water filters thru) every 2 weeks until the bud is 1 week from harvest then flush til u chop em good luck- organics rock!

heres some organic nute mixes:

organic mix
1 bale Promix (3.8 cu. ft.)
4 cups bone meal - (phosphorus source)
4 cups blood meal - (nitrogen source)
1 cup epsom salts - (magnesium source)
3 cups dolomite lime - (calcium source & pH buffering)
4 cups kelp meal.
1 bag (25 lb.) worm castings

Also , heres one fro high times a grow room that was on the top ten, i believe, organic grow rooms...



Fill one kiddie pool with pro-mix BX or a similar
peat-based potting mix until it's full and looks like it
can't hold any more. Then add the following:

Vegetative Mix:
mix: 10-20 lbs. worm castings Additional perlite for extra
aeration Water polymer crystals for aeration 2-3 cups
total of high nitrogen seabird and/or bat guano 2 cups
kelp meal (soluble seaweed) 1-2 cups wood ash 1/2 cup
dolomitic lime (fine pulverized)

Flowering mix:
Use the same recipe but replace the bat and seabird
guanos with high phosphorous formulas for flowering.
All the water you use to moisten the soil should be
fortified with Superthrive, Thrive Alive or a similar
growth enhancer. Do not overuse these products.

thank you. looks like i gotta go shoppin, thanks again!

i went to my local hard ware all they had was hydrated lime is this the same thing as dolomite lime the discribtion seemed to be the same?

Blood meal:very little less than a table spoon per three gallons of mix when starting, I don't use the stuff myself. Iff I did I'd only use it periodicly during veg. ONLYl.
No Blood meal during flower! but that's me
Bone a bit more both at the start and mostly during flowering, stop six week before harvest
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