Processing Times: Pressing vs Source Turbo

Turbonyg

Active Member
Hey All,

I'm looking for the more efficient process. At this point I usually have 15-20oz to process at a time depending on amount of flower kept.

I'm currently using 4x7 press plates and pressing about 5g per bag doing a double press. I think it's taking about 30m to pack/press/scrape an ounce. Then there is still a little left in the chips and bags.

Looking into the Source Turbo, it looks like I can do all of my washing at once, then just continually load the turbo and let it run. The downside is the 2hr per run and I've seen multiple post about needing to run it another cycle to finish it.

How much "liquid" does the turbo hold and how much flower is used for that amount of liquid? Haven't seen to come across this info yet.


Thanks.
 

FlyHigh589

Well-Known Member
I looked into this as well for almost the same reason. The Source Turbo can do 300 ml at a time from what I’ve read, which is about a cup and a quarter... What I had planned to do was to do my full ethanol extraction, store the ethanol in a glass jar in the freezer, and ladle out +- 300 ml at a time into the Source.
It would likely save time and effort in the end, but it would likely be AROUND one run per oz of extracted material. Best of luck friend
 

Turbonyg

Active Member
Thanks for the info.

That was my basic plan also. Wash it all at once which is the quick part. Then just fill the Source and let it run while I can be doing other things.

Did you decide to stick with pressing, or are you planning to switch.

Is there a reason to store the ethonal/thc mix in the freezer once it's ready for the Source? I thought freezer storing was only needed during the stripping process.
 

2com

Well-Known Member
I'm a little surprised this tool isn't more popular (on the forums). Maybe, probably, it's the price.
@Fadedawg I was just about to post a link to a blog I was reading, when I realized it's by the same author (Ichiban Crafter) as is mentioned in your link. It's about how to make a diy vacuum still, like/better than the EtOH PRO or whatever the pro version is called. Seen that?

Edit: Oh - clearly you guys know each other. Hah.
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
I'm a little surprised this tool isn't more popular (on the forums). Maybe, probably, it's the price.
@Fadedawg I was just about to post a link to a blog I was reading, when I realized it's by the same author (Ichiban Crafter) as is mentioned in your link. It's about how to make a diy vacuum still, like/better than the EtOH PRO or whatever the pro version is called. Seen that?

Edit: Oh - clearly you guys know each other. Hah.
Yes, I tested the ETOH Pro as well, plus. Alas my hosts server crashed and lost my site in its entirety, or I could share that experience with you. So far we've recovered that articles verbiage, but not the pictures. For what's worth:


Also the MedXtract Essential:

https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/16-commercial-equipment/16-2-equipment-tests/16-2-7-field-testing-the-medxtract-essential/

I do know Steve Gold, who is clearly a clever guy and contributes a lot pro bono. It's my perception that the market for hydrocarbon extracted product dominates the marketplace, except possibly the cart demand.

Now that cannabis products are more readily available, I suspect fewer folks are growing their own and extracting at home, so handy home size units like the Turbo, ETOH Pro, and the MedXtract Essential see less demand.

I had so much fun testing theirs and was so impressed, that I built my own test sled to try things I wouldn't think of doing to a unit I had on loan for a test. You will have to wait until the site pictures are repopulated to see more pictures, but here are a couple showing the overall test sled, as well as a picture of the 5 gallon boiler sitting in aluminum beads to diffuse the heat and provide even heating.

The picture shown is actually running without vacuum and with a 2" X 60" packed column, turning 130 proof vacuum distilled ethanol to 190 proof in one pass.

When running as a vacuum pot still, the 1/2 gallon recovery jar shown, actually sits in the pot with the copper coil, which contains an ice bath.

The vapor can be run through both the radiator and the ice bath coils, in which case the collection jar is underneath.

The assembly on the cart in the foreground is a smaller 6" X 6" boiler, with a 6" X 6" extension, and set up in the picture for vacuum filtration.

Large pot in beads.jpg

DSC_2450.JPG
 

2com

Well-Known Member
Thanks for replying, and sharing some more insight.
Yes, I tested the ETOH Pro as well, plus. Alas my hosts server crashed and lost my site in its entirety, or I could share that experience with you. So far we've recovered that articles verbiage, but not the pictures. For what's worth:
Oh man, that's too bad. I did read over that, I was wondering what happened to the pictures.

That is quite a beast you've got there.

I used to try and diy everything. I'm getting older, and more conscious of my time and energy. I think trying to diy one would be a waste of time and money - for me - and the availability of materials etc. where I live (canada). Though the simple drawings on this Ichiban blog make the concept *seem* somewhat straight forward. https://extractcrafter.com/2022/04/15/diy-vacuum-still-part-1-components-and-process/, then there's a part two.

Can I ask, do you think the source turbo is a worthy purchase (at around $800-850 CAD)? Considering the best price of any type of ethanol alcohol (food grade, etc.) in canada is from $55-100 per liter (If you happen to live in one of a few provinces that has it). And considering home use case for someone who needs edibles/sublinguals on the regular (consistent home use, probably not "light" use?)

Thank you.
Edit: Spelling.
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
Thanks for replying, and sharing some more insight.

Oh man, that's too bad. I did read over that, I was wondering what happened to the pictures.

That is quite a beast you've got there.

I used to try and diy everything. I'm getting older, and more conscious of my time and energy. I think trying to diy one would be a waste of time and money - for me - and the availability of materials etc. where I live (canada). Though the simple drawings on this Ichiban blog make the concept *seem* somewhat straight forward. https://extractcrafter.com/2022/04/15/diy-vacuum-still-part-1-components-and-process/, then there's a part two.

Can I ask, do you think the source turbo is a worthy purchase (at around $800-850 CAD)? Considering the best price of any type of ethanol alcohol (food grade, etc.) in canada is from $55-100 per liter (If you happen to live in one of a few provinces that has it). And considering home use case for someone who needs edibles/sublinguals on the regular (consistent home use, probably not "light" use?)

Thank you.
Edit: Spelling.
At age 79, I can relate to getting older and more conscious of time and energy, so judge the worthiness of a project by whether I am having fun.

I mostly assembled my test sled from components left over from closing WolfWurx, Inc, or it would ostensibly be less elaborate. Part of my thrill of creation is creating it from what I have on hand.

It really is as simple as Steve presents it. If you remove the same amount of heat with the condenser, that you add with the hot plate, the system maintains the vacuum, even with the pump valve closed and pump shut off.

If you overbuild the condenser and remove more, it still works and if you make your condenser coil tube large enough, or too big, you can't boil it hard enough to significantly raise boiler internal pressure and thus raise the boiling temperature.

As to your question of whether I would pay $850 CAD ($632 USD) for a Source Turbo, my answer is that it depends on how I was planning to use it.

I personally use 190 proof for extraction and a Source Turbo and most pot stills recover in the neighborhood of 130 proof the first pass, so multiple passes and or a desiccant are required to get it back to 190 proof, with some losses.

I ran a batch five times in a ETOH Pro and still had to use Mol Sieve to get the recovered alcohol back to 190 proof, which is why I made a second run using a reflux column.

Once you get a vacuum still, you will find other uses for it. I also used the Source Turbo and the ETOH Pro to make brandy out of wine, and to extract food concentrates and flavonoids for cooking. What I discovered is that the first pass 130 proof recovery still has enough terpenes and terpenoids present to still smell and taste like the concentrate.

IE: I made Jalapeno lemonade extracting the Jalapeno's with water and alcohol, then I removed the alcohol. Not only did I recover more capsicum in the concentrate syrup, but I ended up with a quite tasty 130 proof Jalapeno vodka for recovery.
 

Skunk smell

Well-Known Member
At age 79, I can relate to getting older and more conscious of time and energy, so judge the worthiness of a project by whether I am having fun.

I mostly assembled my test sled from components left over from closing WolfWurx, Inc, or it would ostensibly be less elaborate. Part of my thrill of creation is creating it from what I have on hand.

It really is as simple as Steve presents it. If you remove the same amount of heat with the condenser, that you add with the hot plate, the system maintains the vacuum, even with the pump valve closed and pump shut off.

If you overbuild the condenser and remove more, it still works and if you make your condenser coil tube large enough, or too big, you can't boil it hard enough to significantly raise boiler internal pressure and thus raise the boiling temperature.

As to your question of whether I would pay $850 CAD ($632 USD) for a Source Turbo, my answer is that it depends on how I was planning to use it.

I personally use 190 proof for extraction and a Source Turbo and most pot stills recover in the neighborhood of 130 proof the first pass, so multiple passes and or a desiccant are required to get it back to 190 proof, with some losses.

I ran a batch five times in a ETOH Pro and still had to use Mol Sieve to get the recovered alcohol back to 190 proof, which is why I made a second run using a reflux column.

Once you get a vacuum still, you will find other uses for it. I also used the Source Turbo and the ETOH Pro to make brandy out of wine, and to extract food concentrates and flavonoids for cooking. What I discovered is that the first pass 130 proof recovery still has enough terpenes and terpenoids present to still smell and taste like the concentrate.

IE: I made Jalapeno lemonade extracting the Jalapeno's with water and alcohol, then I removed the alcohol. Not only did I recover more capsicum in the concentrate syrup, but I ended up with a quite tasty 130 proof Jalapeno vodka for recovery.
I use a source turbo with 190 proof everclear,are you saying that the reused alcohol is no longer 190 proof?
 

Skunk smell

Well-Known Member
If you use it to extract concentrates from plant material, it picks up water from the material, which you can't remove to azeotropic 190 proof 95% levels in one pass using a pot still, or a Source Turbo.
So is my reclaim worth using? I thought when I bought it that you just keep reusing the alcohol over and over?
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
So is my reclaim worth using? I thought when I bought it that you just keep reusing the alcohol over and over?
I do use mine over and over, but sometimes it takes more steps. I reach 130 proof in one run and 185 proof in about five runs, or one130 proof run with a reflux column.
 

Amice

New Member
спасибо за ваши комментарии, я узнал много нового - я даже не знал об этом много
полезные исторические факты даже супер
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
спасибо за ваши комментарии, я узнал много нового - я даже не знал об этом много
полезные исторические факты даже супер. Trans: Thanks for your comments, I learned a lot of new things - I didn't even know much about it
useful historical facts even super
You're welcome! Pleased that it was of use to you. Bon appetite!
 

2com

Well-Known Member
Sorry for the late reply, I'm not getting notifications anymore for some reason.
I use a source turbo with 190 proof everclear,are you saying that the reused alcohol is no longer 190 proof?
So is my reclaim worth using? I thought when I bought it that you just keep reusing the alcohol over and over?
I do use mine over and over, but sometimes it takes more steps. I reach 130 proof in one run and 185 proof in about five runs, or one130 proof run with a reflux column.
@Skunk smell Imagine, having to do five runs of the same 300mL of alcohol in the source turbo. My god.

I was considering the "Turbo 500" reflux still. And another similar type, but can't remember it right now.
 
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