QWISO question

BWG707

BWG707

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After the paper coffee filters dried out there was a fine yellow powder that looks like kief. It doesn't have much of a smell to it and its very dry. Is this the trichome husks? I looked at it through a loop and there is very little plant matter or obvious debris in it. I can not make out what the golden yellow particles are. I haven't smoke it, not sure if I want to. Any ideas as to what this is?
 
So those are made of calcium? And as I stated "I haven't smoked them". I was curious about what it was exactly. I'm new to this and when I see something that I know nothing about, I ask questions. I appreciate the info Qwisoking, you have my respect. Thanks for the quick answers.
 
Another quick question. After your QWISO has evaped over night and its mostly dried would it be OK to scrape it lightly to help it dry out more? Some areas where it looks almost like its thicker is still a little tacky when pressed on with your finger. I was wondering if scraping it would aerate it more and make it dry out completely? There is no wetness to it, just a little tacky if you put pressure on it. I've heard that you shouldn't use any heat to evape because it decreases THC potentcy. Is this true, or can a heating pad be used to completely dry everything out? I'm looking for something as stable as possible at room temp.
 
I would leave it alone. It should be in a very thin film with possibly more on the sides or wherever it may have been unlevel...it will dry fastest in this thin film. Even if parts are dry just leave it. If you collect it all, its difficult to spread it thin and keep purging. It will likely wax depending on purity.. leave it as is for a few hours after all visible moisture us gone and the multicolored creaminess will go away. It will be more like shatter

Heating does decrease potency somewhat but will effectively purge your product and dry it out, it will alter the feel of the product. First it hardens to shatter then softens a bit like earwax then that wax encompasses it, solidifying sort of. Then that solid wax dries to a crumble with more terp loss...it can veer from proper wax to cookie if not nucleated properly and too much heat is used..
The heat imo is more detrimental to the overall feel of the high. I grow landrace sativas with little to no cbd/antagonizing compounds that give the herb its "ceiling" ..using heat ruins the high imo..but some people like the cbn effects...perhaps they also like indicas idk
 
Thanks. Ill just leave it to dry another 12 to 24hrs and check it. I'm in no hurry. I'm trying to stay away from that gooey, unstable at room temp stuff. I've scraped a couple dishes that were completely dried already ( I ended up using about 7 dishes for an oz, 2 20sec. washes) that produced a flakey, tan powder. This is my 2nd attempt. I refined my tek by using a 120micron screen fitted in the top of a mason so I can pour directly from that into my paper coffee filters. I can already see that this helped. Both washes look the same, no green, very light gold color. Also I used 99.9% iso instead of the 99.1%. Probably not a big deal, I just got a better price on this iso. Ill post pics later.

Here it is after scrapped. I'm kinda happy about the results. It's not gooey or real dark anyway. Haven't tried any yet but I'm sure it will be potent, it was made from high quality Cherry Pie popcorn.image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg Should I keep it as is or mold it all together? Ill be using a glass globe and pen vape setup.
 
Yes 99.9% is better than 99.1%. Just that much less water to deal with.

Mold it if you wish. Probably degrades less in storage that way.

Looks great! Let us know how it smokes. :D
 
It tastes very good and is really strong. I had some BHO crumble wax made from the same trim and I think the qwiso might taste better. Both are about the same potentcy. I need to do some more comparisons before I can tell for sure. The BHO yields were much better but that probably has a alot to do with me still learning how to make qwiso, this was only my second try, still refining my tek. Which is suppose to be higher in THC, BHO or QWISO?
 
It depends on the artist..
Bho typically has a much higher yield...mainly of fats and waxes, after winterizing your left with a yield similar to qwiso. Qwiso also produces shatter without winterizing being more polar.. qwiso pulls more flavorful stuffs than bho. Bho is more non polar and focuses more on thc, the iso being more polar loves tasty esters alcohols etc
http://www.leffingwell.com/chirality/acyclics.htm heres a list...not all that comprehensive but you get the idea.. qwiso picks a wider range of cannabinoids that is more medicinal and bho is more selective typically more heady, this does depend on the ratios of cannabinoids already present in the starting material..the cannabinoids range in polarity...cbd being more polar than thc. And this is also why qwiso is typically more red in color...I'm not saying it will always be red, obviously...but it will be more so than the same bud ran with butane, my qwiso is white.. qwiso can also range in the pinks purples and even blues... :D
 
That answers alot. Great info Qwizo. I definitely notice a difference in the highs from the exact same starting material. After trying this batch of qwiso for the first time I thought the high seemed more enjoyable. Whereas the BHO high was good, it felt a bit "heavier". The BHO also seemed to effect my eyes more, making them swollen and red. I still need to do some more testing (smoking) to backup these observations. This is only the 2nd batch of qwiso I've ever made but each time I can find things that I need to change and improve on. Ill be searching for a good evape container that has a very flat bottom. Most of the dishes I have used have uneven bottoms that collect small pools of liquid, usually around the edges. Just one of several things that I need to change. I think I probably left a considerable amount of THC in my material also. Even after all the reading I've done there's nothing like hands on experinece to really refine my tek. Thanks everybody.

Just thought of another question that I can not find the answer to. How long will qwiso keep its potentcy? Does it keep longer and better than BHO crumbke wax? Will it keep for long term, like a year?
 
The cannabinoids degrade at the same rate for the most part no matter the solvent used.
Delta 9 turns to delta 8 which is more stable and cbd is more stable than that..cbn doesn't increase proportionally with thc loss and is largely produced by enzymes.
What will cut potency is light oxidation and heat in that order.. the evap/purge creates most of that, wax for example

There have been studies performed on the stability of cannabis extracts..depending on the environment it will store a very long time. After 4 years at room temp I would just throw it away personally but it will have some cbd and degratory products(is that a word? I made it one)
 
I'm probably looking at 2yrs max. I guess I can store buds and concentrates as usual in airtight mason jars, cool, and dark. That's good to hear.
 
Bwg looks good your first qwiso run and hey that cherry pie is an awesome strain btw. Ran some last week...didn't last.enjoy
 
image.jpgHere's my most recent qwiso attempt. After doing more reading I found out, through reading some of QK's posts, that a very thin film of liquid evaporates into a much drier, flakey product.
 
image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgSecond attempt, third attempt, and first attempt. The pics did not upload in the right order. I think I'm getting better, not worse. I've refined my tek little by little, looking for things I can improve on with each attempt. Thanks to the Concentates and Exracts sub forum, you guys have helped a lot.
 
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