Ready to throw in the towel...

Ok guys, having a real hard time on this so any help would be appreciated...

Growing in garage storage room, 600w MH, GH Flora series. Light is 14' away from plants.

Ok, so I have 3 ladies going. 1 is 2 weeks older than the others. Basically I had some troubles with the eldest one at the start and burnt a couple leaves, stunted it but it since bounced back was growing real fast for a week or so then realized I had given to high a dose of nutrients so I had to flush. It seems like since I flushed them they just havnt been the same. They are wilting and have slowed growth...Basically stopped! Now with the drooping I KNOW people gonna be like 'OVERWATERING' but I let the fuckers basically get dry to the point they would die and no change, since watered and STILL no change, let dry again, no change and had to water again today...I may be overwatering tbh but they wont perk up again one way or the other.

I think I have a bit of a phosphorus deficiency also as my garage storage get pretty cold as we in winter here. That is what may be causing the lockout. I have since changed to a 24 light schedule until I can combat the cold a bit better. Maybe have to get a grow tent with a little heater or something, I dont know yet. You cant see it in my photos(shitty iPhone camera) but its got the purple in the new growth and some stems.

Anyways...Im pretty sure the phosphorus deficiancy is partly the cause for the slow growth but what about the drooping. Its like since the flush shit has just gone down hill!

What you guys think?? They honestly barely moving and wont stop drooping. I have been at this grow for about a month now, spent a fuckton of money and they look like shit...size wise

These are from today...


Keep in mind, the tallest is over a month and a week old and the others are almost a month...

Also, whats with the real bumpy leaves towards the top? All the lower ones are flat as hell(when they are perked)

your stressing way to much, they don't look that bad. i think your real problem is the cold. and you should start feeding them again, at 1/4 what the bottle recommends. and there is no deficiencies there.

ShazMo09 said:

I may be overwatering tbh

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i think so.

small plants don't need much water, they are small.

from your timeline, we know that in 38 days with your oldest you burnt it, stunted it, had it bounce back, grew nice for 7 days after all that, you gave it a high dose of nutes, flushed, dried them, watered them, dried them again, and watered them again in what you call low temps.

you have watered and/or nuted at least 5 times in 38 days, one of them a flush, in N1 containers, to small plants with small root systems.

overwatered.

chuck estevez said:

your stressing way to much, they don't look that bad. i think your real problem is the cold. and you should start feeding them again, at 1/4 what the bottle recommends. and there is no deficiencies there.

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Yeh I know, they look ok but its just the growth...They taking way to long.

UncleBuck said:

i think so.

small plants don't need much water, they are small.

from your timeline, we know that in 38 days with your oldest you burnt it, stunted it, had it bounce back, grew nice for 7 days after all that, you gave it a high dose of nutes, flushed, dried them, watered them, dried them again, and watered them again in what you call low temps.

you have watered and/or nuted at least 5 times in 38 days, one of them a flush, in N1 containers, to small plants with small root systems.

overwatered.

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When you lay it out like that it gives a much simpler perspective...I just checked the day it sprouted was 43 days for the oldest but still...I guess they are being overwatered. Todays watering did have nutes at 1/3 strength.

When you are talking about overwatering it can be done by volume not just time frames, right?

Fill a pot with your soil mix (no plant). Get a feel for the weight of your dry pot, that is the time to feed and stop you overfeeding. Drying out forces the roots to search for water. Also way to much light, back it right of to 2ft plus, gradually lower as your plants start to improve.

ShazMo09 said:

When you are talking about overwatering it can be done by volume not just time frames, right?

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Yes but not really... if you have good loose soil the excess water should just rush out. Just let the soil dry out for the next 3 days and report back if you still have a problem.

I would like to know how cold it is? Temps below 60 will slow growth considerably, in the 50's the plants will go into shock, below that and they will die. That could be a big issue.

Jimdamick said:

I would like to know how cold it is? Temps below 60 will slow growth considerably, in the 50's the plants will go into shock, below that and they will die. That could be a big issue.

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Its usually around 60-65...Sometimes higher if its during the day, I get lucky and its ok weather. During lights off it always drops to the 50's, always! Thats why I started to just leave the lights on until I can hopefully sort out this temp issue.

Its just hard to fathom me having overwatered them as I was always checking a knuckle deep and feeling how heavy they were everytime...May just boil down to inexperience. I have tried to keep the medium warm to no avail. I have covered the whole storage area with sheets to cover the concrete as that would throw off coldness...

Cuck said above there are no deficiencies but I would have to disagree as the new growth is getting more purple by the day and some of the stems are becoming purple too. Phosphorus lockout can be caused by cold temps and the purple and slow growth are sign of that specific deficiency.


I dont know...Its just really doing my head in...

Just bumping this as there has been some bad progression. There is definatly a deficiancy going on as well as the drooping. Drooping hasnt improved at all since yesterday but hoping they will perk up a bit once they dry out a little.

Im going to upload some more pics in about 5-10 mins as from the few spots they had yesterday it has only taken 24 hours and they have got black and spots all over them now.

​PLEASE CHECK IT OUT FOR ME>>>LOSING MY MIND!

deficiency takes longer to show, plants can get quite large on water alone

you are killing them with newbie love over watering over feeding etc constantly fussing over them
you have to learn to step back and let them grow
less is more

peace

I was thinking yesterday that is was Phosphorus as they were stunted for the last week or so and the purple new growth and stems... Now they got all this shit over them and it only took 24 hours for this to happen.

Please, please, please can someone shoot me some opinions and solutions on what to do to sort this issue out...

Can you build a base to get them off of the cold floor?

Do you know your ph? Is it possible your flushing knocked
it out of whack?

ricky1lung said:

Can you build a base to get them off of the cold floor?

Do you know your ph? Is it possible your flushing knocked
it out of whack?

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I have got most of the floor covered with towels and sheets so the concrete is not exposed. I have got them sitting on polystyrene and a metal grate for drainage. Ph been going in at 5.8

Any ideas on this deficiency? And any solutions?

are you using r/o or distilled water?

chuck estevez said:

are you using r/o or distilled water?

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Im using distilled water...
This shit came up in literally 24 hours. Any ideas.? I thought I had a phosphorus def because of the purple growth and stems and when I went out today I nearly died. Came up so quick...

ShazMo09 said:

Im using distilled water...
This shit came up in literally 24 hours. Any ideas.? I thought I had a phosphorus def because of the purple growth and stems and when I went out today I nearly died. Came up so quick...

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you have a cal/mag def. caused by the distilled water.

chuck estevez said:

you have a cal/mag def. caused by the distilled water.

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I got dolomite lime in my medium...Isnt that a source of calcium and magnesium? Also I just checked a few bookmarks I got and cal/mg start around the edges...The descriptions sound and look not like mine.

Magnesium -

• Magnesium is one of the easiest deficiencies to tell… the green veins along with the yellowness of the entire surrounding leave is a dead giveaway, but sometimes that’s not always the case here. In case you have one of those where it doesn’t show the green veins, sometimes leaf tips and edges may discolour and curl upward. The growing tips can turn lime green when the deficiency progresses to the top of the plant. The edges will feel like dry and crispy and usually affects the lower leaves in younger plants, then will affect the middle to upper half when it gets older, but It can also happen on older leaves as well. The deficiency will start at the tip then will take over the entire outer left and right sides of the leaves. The inner part will be yellow and or brownish in colour, followed by leaves falling without withering. The tips can also twist and turn as well as curving upwards as if you curl your tongues.​
  
  
  
  

Calcium -

• When plants exhibit a Calcium deficiency the younger leaves are the first to show it as well as older leaves. The Leaf tips will die back, the tips may curl, and growth of the plant is stunted. The plant can show a weakness in the stems and branches, as well as a under developed root system that can lead to bacteria problems with roots dieing off. Having slow plant transpiration rates can aggravate the uptake of calcium. Make sure your soil isn’t very acidic, for calcium gets harder to be absorbed through acidic soils, Which leads to having a plant that is deficient in Calcium. The leaf tips, edges and new growth will or may turn a yellow/brown colour that happen in spots and often surrounded by a sharp brown outlined edge and then the leaf tips die back. If too much calcium is given at an early stage of growth it can stunt the growth of your plants. Having to much of calcium will also flocculate when a concentrated form is combined with potassium. The parts affected by a calcium deficiency are the roots. Stem or petiole, young or old leaves.​
  
  
  
  

Mine is happening mostly in the middle of the lower leaves, nothing really on new growth except a bit of purple. Both Mg/Cal state around the edges...

ShazMo09 said:

I got dolomite lime in my medium...Isnt that a source of calcium and magnesium?

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And im using GH Flora Series so wouldnt it be covered in my nutes?

Can anyone else throw their 2 cents in on my situation here?