Really need help!

w2420krl129

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I have 4 plants. 3 larger ones and a little one. the 3 large ones look horrible. I need some help.

Got some nastiness going on the leaves. I've gotten rid of all nutes. using distilled water so PPM ~10, pH ~6.5 (too high?), water temp ~23C

Now I'm seeing what looks like over watering? I'm using a ~12 gallon DWC rig. Have two 14" air stones hooked up to a duel outlet pump rated for 30 gallons. The water level is about 1/2 to 1 inch below the net pots.

Here's a pic, tell me all what you think. Plus rep to anyone who responds. I hope my girls are not past saving.
 

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Big P

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I have 4 plants. 3 larger ones and a little one. the 3 large ones look horrible. I need some help.

Got some nastiness going on the leaves. I've gotten rid of all nutes. using distilled water so PPM ~10, pH ~6.5 (too high?), water temp ~23C

Now I'm seeing what looks like over watering? I'm using a ~12 gallon DWC rig. Have two 14" air stones hooked up to a duel outlet pump rated for 30 gallons. The water level is about 1/2 to 1 inch below the net pots.

Here's a pic, tell me all what you think. Plus rep to anyone who responds. I hope my girls are not past saving.

you should be ok, just be carful with the nutes next time dont give them any food until they show new growth
 

Big P

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you need a ppm meter too


google "eseasongear"

he sells ones for $18 and they are good


plant that small should prolly get no nutes, maybe 200 PPM (parts per million) would be ok, but since you already over nuted just use plain water for now. Once they grow like 2 more inches start with a 200 ppm nut mix

what u see the ppm go down after a couple days you can begin to add higher ppms.

if the ppm goes up after a day it means you put in too much. so as long as everyday the ppm goes down a lil it means they are eating and hungry, but if the ppm goes up it means they are full ans you are feeding them to much, so add water to dilute


heres the link to the ppm meter. I recomend you buy these nutes also and follow the direction on bottles, but only start with 1/2 strength of what the directions say or it will be way too high. then follow the ppm rules above

now th only thing u need it a HPS 400 watt, you can get one for like $100


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HomeGrownHairy

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I have 4 plants. 3 larger ones and a little one. the 3 large ones look horrible. I need some help.

Got some nastiness going on the leaves. I've gotten rid of all nutes. using distilled water so PPM ~10, pH ~6.5 (too high?), water temp ~23C

Now I'm seeing what looks like over watering? I'm using a ~12 gallon DWC rig. Have two 14" air stones hooked up to a duel outlet pump rated for 30 gallons. The water level is about 1/2 to 1 inch below the net pots.

Here's a pic, tell me all what you think. Plus rep to anyone who responds. I hope my girls are not past saving.
Looks like nute burn but pH can cause the same thing. You absolutely need a pH and a ppm meter and the calibration solution to keep them accurate. You can get them off ebay for $20-$25 each.
 

w2420krl129

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Thanks for all the replies all!

I do have a PPM and pH testing. I use the ~ to be an estimate ( ~560PPM vs 563PPM ). The pH ~ is a bit different for me cause I am eye balling the color chart thing for the drops. Where should my pH be at for DWC?

I've got all 4 girls in ~10 PPM distilled water. Been that way for 2 days now, but my main issue is how droppy two of em are looking. To me it looks like over wattering, but that doesn't compute with DWC.

Again, thanks for all your replies, + rep to all!

Updated image...
 

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Big P

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dont worry when they droop in dwc it means they are not very happy and maybe fixing them selves, i got this when i put little clones under my 600watter it was kind of a shock to them and they stayed droopy for like 5-7 days, i raised the light and tryed to keep them cool untill they recovered



ended up gettin 3.33 ozs off each plant in the end:bigjoint:
 

HomeGrownHairy

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Thanks for all the replies all!

I do have a PPM and pH testing. I use the ~ to be an estimate ( ~560PPM vs 563PPM ). The pH ~ is a bit different for me cause I am eye balling the color chart thing for the drops. Where should my pH be at for DWC?
As long as your pH is between 5.5 - 6.5 that's okay.
 

w2420krl129

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The spots are starting to show on new growth leaves! They have been in ~10 PPM water now for about 3 days, how long should it take to clear out all the old nutes? If that is the problem? Anyone have any ideas what else it could be?
 

drynroasty

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When my PH is high I see discoloration, spots, and twisting leafs.

When my PH is too low the cllular structure is not completed and holes appear as if something were eating the plant.

Maybe that will help.

Also, 500 PPM for plants that small sounds very high, but I believe you see the nute burn start at the tips of the leafs and would also be affecting the new growth, which looks healthy(?).

My guestamation is that the PH WAS too high (old discoloration), then got fixed, now it too high again (new discoloration).
 
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