Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19

So there is not really any threads that are pro prop 19 around here so I think it is about time we had one. I will be brief and state why you should vote for prop 19.

#1. Prop 19 does not effect medical users - Stop buying into all these conspiracy theories

#2. Marijuana will still be in mass production legally with or without prop 19 - as you know oakland passed comercial zoning and lets face it all they need is one city to put their factory at anyway.

#3. All use of marijuana is medicinal

#4. Peoples lives are ruined and people are dieing eveyday across the entire world while prohibition carrys on - prop 19 is a giant leap twoard legalization.

#5. If marijuana is more widely accepted than we can get more scientific studies and who knows maybe perhaps we will find the cure for many diseases and cancer through scientific research of cannabis.

#6. Marijuana is the safest drug on the planet.

#7. I feel I need to say this again: Prop 19 does not effect medical users and growers.

#8 Stop buying into conspiracy theories and the WHAT IFs ....The fact is there will be a 99% chance everyone will be safer and happier if mj is legal for all adults and that includes medical growers and patients. Don't vote on the slim chance that some kind negative outcome could happen, vote on what it is likely to happen.

#9 You can change the world for the better - not just california - NOT just the United States - but the entire world

#10 The price will not likely drop because the demand will increase and skilled growers will not be likely to lose money - It is likely that the price would likely increase in all actuallity.

great points!! that about sums it up..

i also want to see all of the money and man power that went into trying to stomp it out go back into the system where police and officials can do good.. police can arrest the real dangerous offenders and leave millions of innocent citizens alone..!

i have said it a bunch of times now - remember in alcohol prohibition - when it ended there were big compromises for the liquor industry - we will face the same kinds of conservative sanctions for a time - but, the pot community will be sure to iron out the unfairness that these limitations create.. it will take time, but we must start somewhere and it could be years before a better proposal than prop. 19 sees the light of day.. i do not see the logic in holding out for a more nonrestrictive law.. we can simply start with our 5x5 gardens and maybe counties and towns will quickly say that they want larger areas - they can decide their own commercial codes which may not ever have as big of fees and taxes as Oakland necessarily..

i am voting YES!

I wish you guys would stop using the word legalization when this is only taxation.

Again... prop19 will not stop people from going to jail. The fact is... people now in the state of california are going to jail in record numbers for carring more than an oz on their person which carries a 6 month stay in jail and a 500.00 fine. No where in prop19 is that going to change.

Right now... it is only and infraction with a 100.00 fine for an oz or less. Yes prop19 does away with this... which is fantastic.

However people are not going to jail for an oz are they. They are going to jail in record number because of possesion of more than an oz... and again to think it will change with prop19 becoming law is not knowing what prop 19 says or why people are going to jail now.

Also... with prop19 going into effect you will not win the hearts and minds of hard core conservitive states or the bible belt states... that is just plain fact. However you can win them over with the mmj movement.

Again... fact... the Federal government will fight rec use tooth and nail however it is the mmj movement that will aid with a defense at the federal level... how??? The VA has came out and is letting vets use mmj in there legal states without them being punished for it. Soon this will open a door to fight at the federal level. Sorry but prop 19 will not lead the way to this and may infact backfire and have states clam up with even mmj laws.

Sorry but prop 19 only serves to line peoples pockets with money and fill the coffers of irresponsible spending.

Wake up people.

did you read #8 and #1

prop 19 adds new laws, that WILL imprison even more people.

enough said.


5 NO's at my house.

deprave said:

did you read #8 and #1

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Adding the label "conspiracy theories" doesn't validate your points. Prop 19 adds restrictions to personal consumption and personal cultivation that do not exist on the books now.

#11 If it passes in Cali, more states will likely follow. It is very likely to be the beginning of the end of prohibition at a national level.

Also does not erase the fact that california leads in record number of arrests for possesion. Which again FACT is for more than an oz. So prop 19 will NOT stop the arrest rates as they stand now.

Dan Kone said:

#11 If it passes in Cali, more states will likely follow. It is very likely to be the beginning of the end of prohibition at a national level.

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No it will not... that is wishfull thinking. The only hope is MMJ laws as rec use will not fly in the conservitive states or the bible belt ones. Again do not believe the hype.

GanjaAL said:

Also does not erase the fact that california leads in record number of arrests for possesion. Which again FACT is for more than an oz. So prop 19 will NOT stop the arrest rates as they stand now.

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Keep in mind that it also allows cities and counties to establish possessing limits HIGHER than an ounce. That would eliminate this problem in many places. Sure, I'd rather have no limits anywhere, but this is a starting point, not the final result.

GanjaAL said:

No it will not... that is wishfull thinking. The only hope is MMJ laws as rec use will not fly in the conservitive states or the bible belt ones. Again do not believe the hype.

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Here's the problem with you guys who are against prop 19. You guys play up and even invent falsehoods about prop 19. Just because you are against it doesn't mean you need to deny every upside of prop 19. Hard to have an honest discussion when you guys do that.

I have no problem supporting prop 19 AND admit and discuss the flaws. You guys just decided you hate it and from there deny any positives about it whether your denial is truthful or not.

Most laws, like this one are not 100% good or 100% bad. You can still be against prop 19 without denying every single benefit of it.

Yes but you have to take into account socal... already they are banning it left and right. Which is the control that taxation gives to them.

GanjaAL said:

Yes but you have to take into account socal... already they are banning it left and right. Which is the control that taxation gives to them.

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Sure, some places will fight it tooth and nail. Other places will embrace it and expand the legality of it beyond the legal minimums this law provides. Some counties/cities will behave corruptly and unjustly. Others will be fair and liberal with their laws. This is California and their is a diversity of opinions in this state.

Dan Kone said:

Here's the problem with you guys who are against prop 19. You guys play up and even invent falsehoods about prop 19. Just because you are against it doesn't mean you need to deny every upside of prop 19. Hard to have an honest discussion when you guys do that.

I have no problem supporting prop 19 AND admit and discuss the flaws. You guys just decided you hate it and from there deny any positives about it whether your denial is truthful or not.

Most laws, like this one are not 100% good or 100% bad. You can still be against prop 19 without denying every single benefit of it.

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I do not discount some of the possitive but I am pulling for those prisoners of war and those who will still go to jail regardless if prop 19 passes.

The same can be said that most people care about profits and the support of corupt politicians is why people are for prop19 and the heck with those going to jail because I want to smoke recreationally.

GanjaAL said:

I do not discount some of the possitive but I am pulling for those prisoners of war and those who will still go to jail regardless if prop 19 passes.

The same can be said that most people care about profits and the support of corupt politicians is why people are for prop19 and the heck with those going to jail because I want to smoke recreationally.

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oh come on now. You don't really believe most people who support prop 19 because they enjoy political corruption. That's absurd.

I have no problem with you thinking the negatives of prop 19 outweigh the positives, but please try to be somewhat objective about it.

There is a very real chance this law could have the end result of national legalization. Sure, that's not a guarantee, but it's a likely possible outcome over time. It would most definitely cause at least a few states to put up their own legalization ballot measures. People who are pro-prop19 are not doing so because they think corruption is awesome. Come on man. Be real.

I am being real... very real. In SD and SB counties it is very real... they do not uphold the law even at the mmj level.

Also I know for a fact that the mmj movement can win the hearts of the bible belt states and the concervitive ones. I used to be one. But with all the meds that they were giving me... my liver was being effected. Then a friend of mine who used for his shoulder told me about it... and now I am all for it.

Had you came to me with rec use... I would not be using it today. I hate to say it but that is what sucks about it.

I feal that the rec movement may cause more of the conservitive states to back off even for the mmj movement.

GanjaAL said:

I am being real...

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Really? So you honestly believe that the majority of people who support prop19 are doing so because they think our government should be more corrupt?

No brother I do not... but I do feel they are not seeing the big picture or the future but living for right now without thought of the effects of their decision.

GanjaAL said:

No brother I do not...

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Then please don't say such things.

While you're at it please stop spreading the misinformation that prop 19 will supersede medical law.

You have plenty of legitimate reasons to be against prop 19 and you generally seem like an ok guy who is reasonably intelligent. You don't need to resort to such things, it's beneath you.

GanjaAL said:

but I do feel they are not seeing the big picture or the future but living for right now without thought of the effects of their decision.

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Well that's a different argument entirely. A very reasonable one. Next time please just say that instead.

GanjaAL said:

Will do.

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Much respect.

Peace