Riu family please help

hey riu, ran into a little dilemma only a nooby could pull off,

so a little backround- ff of- seedlings 2.5wks- 300+ w cfl.

heres what i did that some of you first timers can learn from...

so i thought i could skip a transplant or two and put my seedlings straight into 1 g pots (against the warning of the local shop owner) my theory being i could just spray them and only water them what they needed, BIG mistake, at about the 2 wk mark my little family started marbling (for lack of a better term) some rusting type spots on some, yellow edges on some and some both, i couldn't for the life of me figure it out(till finding this thread) well long story short i must have nutes/salts built up from not properly watering(enough to drain out and flush out the build up so to speak)

now heres my dilemma, they are still growing BUT-I fear that if I flush them out in these 1g pots the roots wont be able to soak up the water from the bottom of the pot, leaving me with possible root rot, also not knowing how healthy and long my roots are how do i go about fixing this?????? meaning how can i transplant back to smaller pots if its even possible-not knowing how big my rootball's are???

i wanted to start flowering in the next day or two seeing as i am fighting the warm weather in my area (just picked up 596 watts of 2700k)

any advice from you experienced guys, i don't want to lose my 100% indica genetics as all i have left is pure sativa beans, which in turn would take even longer and put my room at ungodly temps should the weather not hold out for me.

am i completely assed out? does this rookie move kill my chances at flowering being done in the next 2 2.5 months?- its a tough way to learn a lesson thats for sure- but goes to show you what trying to take shortcuts gets you..

thanks in advance riu family

Hey chief, I didn't quite get from your post, what's the draining situation? If the pot has good drainage you shouldn't have root rot problems...

even if the roots have yet to make it to the bottom? my one and only concern is being only 2.5 weeks they have yet to reach the bottom yet and them being in 1g pots would the excess water not sit longer than it should without being sucked up? or am i just bugging out and should flush first thing tom morning?

oh and the drainage is more than adequate just worried about the plants not using the water and it sitting in the bottom of the pot

thanks for checking in by the way +1

Oh I see your point. I guess you should be sure to let the soil get fairly dry before watering and when you do water, water lightly for the next week or so. My 2 cents. I also transplanted clones from rockwool straight into 2 gallon pots and had no problems at all.

so i should not delay a hearty flush? my only concern is them not using the water before it becoming an issue



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The root's will flourish when they have room to seek out water and nutrients. Your problem sounds like a PH issue. Everyone goes through some leaf issues from time to time, and the best advice i can give you is to make sure your PH is in check. Once that is good let your pots dry out a lil, pick them up and get a feel for the weight of your dry plants. If you feel uneasy about when to water, keep in mind that your plants are better off a lil on the dry side, as apposed to being over watered. When you first transplant, you still want to water your whole pot. The only diffrence is your pots will take a lil longer to dry out because there arent as much roots absorbing the water. Stay calm and don't try to over correct. I would only flush in the most drastic of situations, but thats just me. Too many times people try to fix a problem and end up creating a new problem. Just remember with proper drainage you can give your plants plenty of water when you water them, but you don't want to water to often. If in doubt stay on wait another day, your plants will tell you when they are thirsty.

A few pic's would be helpfull.

Have you put anything else into the dirt? Or have you watered with anything else?

Sounds like they may have gotten a little burnt from something too hot. FFOF & plan water alone won't burn them.

I'd just give them plan water for a week & see what happens.

And don't let the pots sit in water. Drain any excess & let them get a little dry. Many times I wait until I see the first leaf droop before I water again.

Good luck bro, like somebody already said "don't over react" your more likely to make things worse, or add another problem. Slow down, don't panic.

peace
doublejj

thanks for the pointers guy's, rep added of course, im just thinking i have some built up salts/nutes in the soil from not watering properly, need to start watering till it drains out the bottom, i guess my question still remains, if i was not watering to the point of saturation(and draining out the bottom) and had some salts built up, should i flush or just water till it drains through-

also mimmen the ph of my tap water is 6.5 - gonna double check the ph of the ff and then the drainage and see what i come up with, thanks again to everyone who stopped by..

hey chief, i think (and again i could be wrong) that watering till you get run off is the same in terms of moisture as doing a full flush. the advantage of the flush is that you'll get rid of the built up salts. the key is how *often* you water, and maybe you are watering too frequently. waiting until the soil is on the dry side will help you avoid root rot. good luck man, i think you'll be fine. and thanks for the +rep, back at ya.

i believe i was watering to often and not enough in volume, meaning i was watering every 3rd day even if the plant was not calling for rain and in the same regards not once did i water "enough" to keep the salts and nutes of the soil in check-thus the build up and my signs of stressing, so next water im gonna give them a decent rain (i have yet to add nutes b/c the ff is so rich) make sure there is a decent amount of drainage coming out, gonna trap that and grab a ph (mimmen i haven't ruled out ph being "the"problem or part of the problem) and see if they level out, assuming my ph is in check. should be watering either tonight or early tom-pots are super light and sticking my finger in the bottom it feels dry to the touch, gonna wait for a little droop and then give them a good rain.

thanks again guys and when i can ill be sure to +1 you.

hopefully i can somehow get some pictures up, dont think my computer camera will do justice to how pretty these little indica's are...

Just food for tought, some strains can survive on the food in ocean forest for weeks, and then I've had some strains that need to be fed 2 weeks in.

If your only using plan water then there aren't any salts & nutes to keep in check.

Just keep giving them plenty of clean water & wait until they are growing normally & looking a little pale (light green) before you add anything.

peace
doublejj

Another reason why Alaska is the shit.

doublejj said:

If your only using plan water then there aren't any salts & nutes to keep in check.

Just keep giving them plenty of clean water & wait until they are growing normally & looking a little pale (light green) before you add anything.

peace
doublejj

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thanks for the pointers guys watering after lunch today and gonna grab a ph on the drainage- had my old lady use my ph test kit on my water today to double check my results and we both come up with a ph 6.5, couldn't find out a ph on the ff-of bag, gonna double check the website

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Awesome photo's my man thanks for sharing. Still wondering why im not up there.

Stop watering. Let the soil dry out some.
I just popped 5 tangerine dream seeds and over watered one on purpose. Its about half the size as the rest.

i'd have to assume they are stunted for sure- 3 weeks and the tallest of them is only about 4 inches-however the spacing is soooo tight though-crappy thing is my space is a 3rd floor attic apt crawlspace- its finished and insulated however it is right underneath the roof(hot ass shingles) and poorly finished at that, gonna flower these little ones and move on to the next room i have in a dif spot, funny i have a whole room to work with but im gonna dial in my skills in the closet and lmao, when im comfortable, i'll come out of the closet.. just shitty to think that im gonna waste so much time on plants that are 6-10 inches tall at the end of flowering- even with 596 watts of 2700k im not gonna pull shit off this, but hey you live and you learn and like my past runs ive learned A LOT, even in the past 3 weeks i learned a tremendous amount, so i can experiment during flowering with wattage/bulb placement/nutes/etc etc and not worry about the yield at all, which being that these are from seeds best case i'll only have 2-4 females probably putting me around a half. oz>not likely

like i said you live and you learn, i now have 596w of 2700k, close to 300w of 6500k. So going into the next round i'll have nearly nothing invested, a better closet to work with, better temps, 2 bags of ff-of left over from this one (untouched) an endless supply of sativa beans AND OH SHIT, while typing i just thought about something, i can pollinate these and save my indica genetics!!!!! and never have to worry about seeds for a decent amount of time.......

the power of optimism is unstoppable

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i'd have to assume they are stunted for sure- 3 weeks and the tallest of them is only about 4 inches-however the spacing is soooo tight though-crappy thing is my space is a 3rd floor attic apt crawlspace- its finished and insulated however it is right underneath the roof(hot ass shingles) and poorly finished at that, gonna flower these little ones and move on to the next room i have in a dif spot, funny i have a whole room to work with but im gonna dial in my skills in the closet and lmao, when im comfortable, i'll come out of the closet.. just shitty to think that im gonna waste so much time on plants that are 6-10 inches tall at the end of flowering- even with 596 watts of 2700k im not gonna pull shit off this, but hey you live and you learn and like my past runs ive learned A LOT, even in the past 3 weeks i learned a tremendous amount, so i can experiment during flowering with wattage/bulb placement/nutes/etc etc and not worry about the yield at all, which being that these are from seeds best case i'll only have 2-4 females probably putting me around a half. oz>not likely

like i said you live and you learn, i now have 596w of 2700k, close to 300w of 6500k. So going into the next round i'll have nearly nothing invested, a better closet to work with, better temps, 2 bags of ff-of left over from this one (untouched) an endless supply of sativa beans AND OH SHIT, while typing i just thought about something, i can pollinate these and save my indica genetics!!!!! and never have to worry about seeds for a decent amount of time.......

the power of optimism is unstoppable

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Well put. Been on here for a couple of years just trying to absorb as much as I can, learned alot and just got to the point where i can help others out a lil. At the same time I'm still learning, everyday seems like something new. Your on the right path, and 90% ofthat is having the right attitude. One thing I highly recommend is living in this forum for a few day's https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/289968-show-me-what-u-got.html Having the ability to train your plants to do what you want them to do is a MUST when growing with cfl's. I trained one of my plants and let one of them grow natural on my last grow. Clones from the same mother and the one I LST'd produced double. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Here's a pic of my last grow.

right on mimmen!

i too am a huge fan of training and i am also guilty of topping a few in my day, i used to live out in south san fran- my buddy had a house in san bruno and i was able to grow both indoors and out- topping a grapefruit diesel and using the sun/cfls she pulled over 4 oz's (1.5 month veg and topped a few times-clone from the dis) i however did not know about lst untill coming to this board, well i knew the basics, just trial and error i tied down a few of my sativa girls when i was growing outdoors but again had no clue what the tech was called, maybe some day ill post up some pictures of my 2 years in san fran, however not being out there anymore i dont want to over step my plant limits in my current med state with what i had going out there( dont no how else to word that)

so heres where im at today, i am currently sexing my plants, day 3 of 12/12, fairly certain i stunted my little ones thanks to my over/underwatering (watering too often with not enough water to drain out the bottom) and i feel very strongly that i have a calcium def. among other things on two of my plants, they are indica dom if not 100% and as of right now i have not added any nutrients, im damn sure that the nutrients in my soil are very close to gone and am looking to a nutrient pack that is well rounded and will also cure my current problems- one thing that could be a double edged blade is my root growth appears to be very healthy, crisp, white and hairy(i was gonna try and get away with leaving them in the 1 g containers and just blasting them with nutes-can i get away with this-they should finish up under a foot tall) thinking about going with the ff trio pack, i have some Whitney Farms Natural BONE MEAL which reads to be a very nice calcium and phosphorus supplement, i was just curious if i can make a very very very light tea out of it or if i should use as directed? which consists of adding very very lo- dosages directly into the top 1-3 inches of the soil before watering.....

i am about 65-75% sure i am working with a lockout of some sort on the two that are "marbling" as the new growth on these two are showing signs as well as the older fan leaves, which in turn makes me realize i can't let this problem go on any longer...

any guidance from you vets out in the riu land? im working on pictures but the lights dont come on till 10pm tonight

if you put a wick into the bottom of the pot. protruding out the bottom-

the pot will think it's a lot deeper than it is, and will drain the water that gets stuck in the "column". a piece of felt, or even a heavy shoelace will work. also dehumidifiers work great for helping to dry out the pots a little when in this situation.