Seeds/Clones

If needed seeds I wouldn't get them. But since seeds aren't the goal... look at them all!

Here's a pic of my eight clones in a Daisy Cloner. I cut them 2/10 and keep them under glass the first few days. The humidity dome is a glass mixing bowl. I had a better glass mixing bowl but broke it by dropping it on the concrete floor.

I believe we call that a fuckton of seeds

I removed the mixing bowl back on Thursday. Today would be clone day nine.

4 of the eight have root sprouts.

rmax said:

If needed seeds I wouldn't get them. But since seeds aren't the goal... look at them all!

Here's a pic of my eight clones in a Daisy Cloner. I cut them 2/10 and keep them under glass the first few days. The humidity dome is a glass mixing bowl. I had a better glass mixing bowl but broke it by dropping it on the concrete floor.

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Now you need to go through them and sort and count. Have fun.

14,326
My guess

All clones have root sprouts today.

I'll transplant Thursday. Thursday it'll be two weeks.

How many grams per watt are you growers getting with LED I have a 400W LED (draw from wall) and wondering what to expect. Usually I grow with a 1000W HPS and the plants go to seed.

Approximately a pound

rmax said:

I have a 400W LED (draw from wall) and wondering what to expect.

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By my guesstimation using old school long form maths, I approximate 60% the weight you average under 1k HPS.
A decent 400w LED is fairly equivalent to 600w HID.

I'd be more concerned with why your plants go to seed, if not intentional?

Creature1969 said:

By my guesstimation using old school long form maths, I approximate 60% the weight you average under 1k HPS.
A decent 400w LED is fairly equivalent to 600w HID.

I'd be more concerned with why your plants go to seed, if not intentional?

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I don't know why they go to seed. I guess stress. Having 2 1000W HPS beating down on the plants in a 5'x10' is just too much. I did ask questions on the way here and had the lights 12" above with a high velocity fan sucking the heat out. Shrugging shoulders.

I'm starting from the beginning with a 400w LED.

Under 1000W HPSs the buds were always fluffy and the weight was mostly seeds.

All the clones have roots today. Yesterday I gave them a squirt of GH green, 3ml. I'll transplant to paper cups, Thursday.

So anyway.... The light I'm using is supposed to have a 5'x5' foot print. There are four plants living on one side of a 10'x5' tent. See pics for orientation.

To get the pound is this orientation looking good?

I have a second light just like the one in the pics. (I'm working on a switch issue). To get the pound I'm thinking about deploying the second light next to this first and spread the four plants across two light foot print in a hounds tooth pattern.


Thoughts?

Two weeks slid by.

The clones still in the cloner, then a roots pic. I got a couple double stalks. Then a pic of them in cups under the 18" fluorescent..

For some reason the plants look yellow in the pics but they are a rich green.

rmax said:

I don't know why they go to seed. I guess stress. Having 2 1000W HPS beating down on the plants in a 5'x10' is just too much. I did ask questions on the way here and had the lights 12" above with a high velocity fan sucking the heat out. Shrugging shoulders.

I'm starting from the beginning with a 400w LED.

Under 1000W HPSs the buds were always fluffy and the weight was mostly seeds.

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2x 1000w HID is not to much light in a 10 x 5. In reality, its not enough. A 1000w HID is rated to use in a 4 x 4 area. Ive been using 1000w HID since they came out in 77-78, and have always used them in a 4 x 4. Thats what theyve been rated for bny the factory, ever since they came out. I myself now use a 1000w Hortilux HPS bulb. Its 1881umole. But HID loses 10% of its output the first month of use. I use the Hortilux because its got the most umol, except for the Ushio Hi Lux which is a SE bulb rated at 2100umol. As much as a DE 1150 Gavita/Phillips. Its good for a 5 x 5 area.

A 1000w Hortilux is 62.5w Sq/ft in 16 sq/ft.

In a 10 x 5 area, thats 50 sq/ft, and to have the same power in a 4 x 4 you would need roughly 3x 1000w HID. 62.5w sq/ft would need 3125w of HID.
62.5 x 50 is 3125w.

If your plants are always going to seed, Id look at genetics, and/or environmental factors.

A Gavita 1700e is 645w, 1700umol, actually 1780umol, and Gavita rates it as a direct replacement for a 1000w HID. Thats their numbers not my opinion.

At that rate for efficient LED using the best Samsung Diodes, thats 40.3w Sq/ft to replace a 1000w HID.

A 600w HID is rated for covering a 3 x 3 area, which is roughly 66w Sq/ft

At that rate, a 400w LED with the best diodes is best to use in a 3 x 3 area.

Will it cover more?? Yes, but not efficiently. IMHO most LED manufacturers overrate the coverage areas of their lights. Gavita doesnt. They flat out tell you their light is a direct replacement for a 1000w HID, and a 1000w HID is rated for a 4 x 4 are. Always has been for 45 years.

jimihendrix1 said:

If your plants are always going to seed, Id look at genetics, and/or environmental factors.

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Thanks for the comments.

I always get seeds. As time goes on I get more and more from each grow. Last spring I cast a sandwich bag of seeds randomly throughout a nearby park. This year I'll have two sandwich bags full of seeds to cast. Big giant seeds. Right now I've got Runtz going but have tried many different strains... and all seeded.

It was indicated light leaks may be turning the plants to seed so I got a tent. Tents have vents that are light leaks.

I can't believe how bad I am at growing these plants.

Outside I can grow pumpkins so large it takes two men to lift some of them. Sunflowers so large, tall and plentiful a neighbor 'anonymously' called the city because the nuisance squirrels (the city said I could keep the Sunflowers) were littering the neighborhood with Sunflower heads.

I think it's the lights. That's not to say you don't get excellent results.