Should "perpetual" runs yield the same results every time? Do you work up to a higher yield or wait to flip until it's your ideal maturity?

If you're running perpetual, do you prefer to veg the first group until it's 3+ oz/plant and the next round's clones have time to reach the same maturity; or, is yield something you work toward over time and clone way more than you'll need, just so future rounds will be large enough?

Sounds simple enough. Of course, I think I've been going about it all wrong. Because some strains grow faster than others and, consequently, can be clone more often, it just seems I occasionally have a mature enough plant for a good yield but most are under-performing/immature plants. I've accepted that it's ok if light sometimes hits the floor....

Within a few months, I'm planning on moving. So, I'm winding down the bloom tents and focusing on vegging and getting clone #s where I want them until the move (but plants will be finishing bloom throughout April/early May. Between cloning far more than I need per round, and waiting to flip a couple months longer (close-proximity veg lighting is making stalks thicker earlier), that first round and subsequent rounds should consistently yield a lot better. Also, I excluded one more strain because of yield issues (Bruce Banner, but it could be because it's from a seed bank). So, overall plant yield averages should have less disparity. However, two new strains require sexing; so, I might flip them pre-move just so I know which ones to clone for phenotyping purposes.

TLDR. Just bumping this for you lol.

You got any pics for us yet?

sometimes, it just helps to write it out. i think i've got it.

if running perpetual bloom, and you're not happy with your average yields, you can't expect your runs to improve over time since you're repeating the same intervals. instead, i'll just stop flipping, focus on vegging longer, and then flip when all plants look like they'd yield 3+ oz. then, go perpetual from there; because, by then, back-ups (i.e., next round's plants) should have time to reach the same maturity.

i've put up at least 20 pics. this is a general question. sometimes, i just ask when i'm anxious/want affirmation. i focused on bloom awhile, got some fundamentals down, discontinued a lot of strains along the way. now, it's time to improve veg for additional yield (e.g., fewer watts, LEDs closer to canopy).

If yield is something you're going for, you should first run enough seeds/strains to find a plant that yields well under the conditions you provide, it varies wildly from plant to plant. For example, with the grow I just finished, one plant yielded 3 oz total, while one was just under 1 lb total (out of 4 different strains in a 4x4). To get the best vigor and yields from a plant, you really need to look for an f1 hybrid that displays true "heterosis", or hybrid vigor. It can take some effort to find a plant like this, since most crosses these days are polyhybrids that are too similar genetically to express heterosis, the parents need to come from distinct gene pools for this trait to appear in the offspring. If you are running clones of the same plant, you should get similar average yields each time given the same care though. I just ran a clone for the second time under very similar conditions except for the # of primary bud sites-the first time I ran it with 8 main colas, and the second time was around 24. The 8 cola plant yielded 7 oz of primo bud and 1 oz of larf, while the 24 cola plant yielded 4.5 oz of bud, and 4.5 oz of larf. So there was a slight overall increase in yield with a more crowded canopy, but there was a rather large decrease in top shelf bud-but still, very similar overall yield from the same clone across grows given similar conditions.

Apostatize said:

sometimes, it just helps to write it out. i think i've got it.

if running perpetual bloom, and you're not happy with your average yields, you can't expect your runs to improve over time since you're repeating the same intervals. instead, i'll just stop flipping, focus on vegging longer, and then flip when all plants look like they'd yield 3+ oz. then, go perpetual from there; because, by then, back-ups (i.e., next round's plants) should have time to reach the same maturity.

i've put up at least 20 pics. this is a general question. sometimes, i just ask when i'm anxious/want affirmation. i focused on bloom awhile, got some fundamentals down, discontinued a lot of strains along the way. now, it's time to improve veg for additional yield (e.g., fewer watts, LEDs closer to canopy).

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Again TLDR.

Lets see those BIG FAT CORKS

ignored (again). i got it. not that hard, just thinking it through.

didnt rurumo answer it all?

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didnt rurumo answer it all?

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Pretty much. When I first heard of running perpetual bloom, the grower suggested small-to-medium sized plants could yield more than larger plants not run perpetually. Basically, you just keep flippinng (one in, one out), you don't wait until they're all done. After strain selection, phenoytpying, and you get your colas #s/topping how you want them, my next step is to let plants get bigger (so, a few rounds of topping). That's all, what I've been doing but on larger plants. so, i pushed pause on perpetual until all plants are at least medium-sized. Found it to be a waste of time/resources to run with the smaller plants.

not difficult. but once you get going on perpetual, you're just going to repeat the same mistake over and over if you're starting with plants that are too small. well, that was the lesson learned.

find out how many plants you can put inside the space that when one is done flowering all that time one is veging.and then just maximise space with number of plants its not rocket science. Little bit LST and you will have maximum yeald each time.
if you want perpetual max yeald fast i would skip topping and change it with more plants and LST

last time in 21 days veg i got a plant with 18 collas. and you have double more if you are waiting for flower tent to finish. i got a shitty 60W light but in a space 35x35cm i got 90g now with better light and more space you can achive a lot better

amneziaHaze said:

find out how many plants you can put inside the space that when one is done flowering all that time one is veging.and then just maximise space with number of plants its not rocket science. Little bit LST and you will have maximum yeald each time.
if you want perpetual max yeald fast i would skip topping and change it with more plants and LST

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right. my problem was, i was learning each strain's capacity. so, lots of guesses. they were just too small. so, yes, others are vegging while another's in bloom; but if that first plant was too small, the clones behind it likely will be too. So, just need to adjust. Don't flip the first set until large enough. Easy. Now, next round's clones will be mature enough and a true perpetual run can begin.

well thats something you do before the perpetual grow. first stage is picking your mother plant fill both tents with random strains and look what is best then next year use that strain clone and put it with some others or start using it. then learn how much time do you have to fill your growbox with it or with more clones and when you are happy with results then start

amneziaHaze said:

well thats something you do before the perpetual grow. first stage is picking your mother plant fill both tents with random strains and look what is best then next year use that strain clone and put it with some others or start using it. then learn how much time do you have to fill your growbox with it or with more clones and when you are happy with results then start

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I hear ya. Along the way, as some strains plateau while others improve (quality/yield), I've excluded but also added a few new strains. It isn't rocket science, but there are enough factors to work out to keep you busy. I enjoy it. Just need to stop adding strains for a while and get it right with what I have.

what do you prefere sativas or indicas?

i have a perpetual grow going. i manifold my plants and flip once the plant is recovered from training. i start my next grow from seed at week 6 of flower of the original grow. by the end of harvesting and drying, my next grow which is also trained by manifolding should be ready to flip.

i grow hydroponically dwc indoors in a 2x4 tent, and yield ~8-10+oz from two manifolded plants using a scrog and defoliation 3rd week of flower.

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what do you prefere sativas or indicas?

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If you got it, I'll smoke it... Currently, I have 100% indicas and poly-hybrids. 70:30 is the most sativa I have. The 70:30 can go in small and stretch and fill out like a plant 2-3x its size. Also, it's a little more finicky than the rest -- but I can't comment on all sativas/full sativas. I can see me adding Golden Tiger or another sativa to a predominantly poly-hybrid stable, but it'd be a one-off. I don't do one strain per ounce. I give friends some of everything. A respectable, higher-yielding strain, that maybe isn't a standout for smell/taste, is probably a 1/4. The dankest probably yields the least, so maybe an 1/8th or less. That's why I had to keep adding even after a 5-10 seed per strain phenotyping. Some were high-yielding but no fun.

Apostatize said:

ignored (again). i got it. not that hard, just thinking it through.

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You overthink. I remember you mentioning like 8# perpetual harvests or something and am just curious to see your progress.

Brettman said:

You overthink. I remember you mentioning like 8# perpetual harvests or something and am just curious to see your progress.

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5 pounds sir

Damn reading that post he came unglued on me haha

bk78 said:

5 pounds sir

Damn reading that post he came unglued on me haha

Setting LEDs at the right height to select phenos "thriving in intense light," killing the weak

Until you select phenos, success is largely a #s game. For example, 1/2 my strain purchases didn't stink, but I had enough different stains to find 8 that stink, yield pretty well indoors, high calyx-to-leaf ratio, flower in 7-9 wks, flexible, LST-friendly, 3-month veg, etc. When it comes to...

www.rollitup.org

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My bad.

LMAO. Guy says 5 pounds and then shows a couple straggly ass fucking plants with corks hanging from them.

bk78 said:

5 pounds sir

Damn reading that post he came unglued on me haha

Setting LEDs at the right height to select phenos "thriving in intense light," killing the weak

Until you select phenos, success is largely a #s game. For example, 1/2 my strain purchases didn't stink, but I had enough different stains to find 8 that stink, yield pretty well indoors, high calyx-to-leaf ratio, flower in 7-9 wks, flexible, LST-friendly, 3-month veg, etc. When it comes to...

www.rollitup.org

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Yeah, I do. No denying that. That's also why I'm a QC person. I don't know if this makes sense, it's kind of like my writing/QC process (not here, formal): lots of drafting, then I zoom out, simplify, and heavily reorganize. Organization is writing.... So, idk, makes sense here too, I guess. Some people are well-organized but their efficiency steers them away from taking chances (if that makes sense). I'm not saying it's better, I sketch things out a lot before I feel like I've got it. Maybe it's "ass burgers" syndrome (South Park reference, haha).

Even this, I plan on moving before June. I've got plans to rebuild/reorganize everything I've been tinkering with the past 2 years. So, that's partly why pics aren't that important to me right now. On the next build, incorporating RIU tips, that's what I'd be showing/proud of.