Stealth cabnet/locker design! its 1st grow and box so help and adviced needed!!

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4blunt2time0

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hey so after doing some more thinking of what i wanted, i decided i needed something a bit bigger for the type of grow i wanted =P which consists of something along the lines of a cabnet/locker which i will cover in mylar and light proof. it needs to be somewhere along the lines of 6-7ft tall (not to big because it needs to go in my addict. need to do measurements still) and about 2x2 (4 sq feet of space inside) i planed on making 2 chambers in this box~ one for veg/clones and one for flowering. my idea for the veg chamber is to make it about 1 1/2ft - 2 feet tall and installing 150-200watts of lights (or enof for about 4 clones or maybe 3 and a mother) possibly with a timer synced for the plants grow cycle and having a light trap exhaust fan (maybe by the lights) but im not to sure what to do with intake cuz i rly dnt think it needs a fan. as for the flower chamber i planned on putting a 250 watt HPS (possibly hanging with reflectors and synced to a timer) with a light trap exhaust fan somewhere on the right wall high up, also attached with a home-made carbon filter for odor controll, and a light trap intake fan on the left wall somewhere along the bottom for intake breeze on the plant stems. i think thats about it for my design idea please leave some advice, suggestions, help, or even a goodluck! i got a few questions and some points i need some advice so ill keep it organized with numbers.

1. how many and what kind/wattage would i need for my veg/clone room to make able to comfily house 3-4 clones and a mother.

2. what should i do about intake in the veg room?

3. i planned on putting a single 250watt hps bulb in the flower room. do you think i need more wattage to be able to house 4 flowering plants? (each having 1 sq foot of space) also do you think that 1 bulb with a reflector (maybe without) would be good or should i get several small bulbs added up to the same wattage?

i think thats about it so if i think of anymore questions/addon ideas to the box ill post them! Thanks for reading feel free to leave suggestions/flaws/answeres/advice/etc.. even a good luck! stay high!
 
imatigr

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4blunt2time0 said:
1. how many and what kind/wattage would i need for my veg/clone room to make able to comfily house 3-4 clones and a mother.
for a veg room in that small of a space you can use cfl's or t5 lights. how long do you plan on vegging for? I'm currently vegging my 4 in a 2x2 space under a 125 watt cfl with 4 23 watt cfls all 6500k spectrum. I will probably add another 4 23 watt cfl's soon.
2. what should i do about intake in the veg room?
For your intake you could use a passive intake like you're planning as long as your fan is strong enough to pull air through, if your fan can't pull enough air then add an intake fan but you usually want a lower cfm rating on the intake fan than the exhaust fan. What kind of fan are you planning on using for the veg room?
3. i planned on putting a single 250watt hps bulb in the flower room. do you think i need more wattage to be able to house 4 flowering plants? (each having 1 sq foot of space) also do you think that 1 bulb with a reflector (maybe without) would be good or should i get several small bulbs added up to the same wattage?
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/417817-2x2x5-gl60-tent-250w-hortilux.html Sr. verde did a grow in a 2x2x5 space with a 250 watt hps and got great results. I'm also using a 250 watt hps in a 2x2x4 space. That bulb is probably your all around best choice. You will need really good ventilation though. No pc fans here. And an air cooled hood on its on intake and exhaust would be easiest to keep temps under control. I don't know if you've chosen which hps bulb you want already, but I ordered this light 250watt HPS. If you choose an aircooled reflector in that package it will save you about $40, instead of ordering the reflector by itself.(i'm kicking myself for not ordering the air cooled reflector with it). For your space the Euro reflector or supernova would be your best bet. You can get any 6 inch inline fan or 4 inch fan with reducer to cool that light.
i think thats about it so if i think of anymore questions/addon ideas to the box ill post them! Thanks for reading feel free to leave suggestions/flaws/answeres/advice/etc.. even a good luck! stay high!
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Just take a look at Sr. Verde's Grow and learn from it since it's almost identical to what yours will be like. His thread is what helped me build my box the most.
Since my box is pretty close to yours and Verde's also I will link it so you can get an idea of what my box looks like and what i'm talking about. My Grow
Feel free to ask whatever questions you may have, I will try and respond or get you info that will help, and I'm sure the more experienced guys around here will chime in. I spent a good 10 months reading this forum before I built my box.
 
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i plan on keeping plants in veg until the ones in flower are ready to harvest, so about a month. keeping in mind this box has to be stealthed, no smell, and light proof, im not to sure about the passive intake unless i light trap that also. but i might have to put a fan in it but thats not such a bad thing cuz the intake breeze on the plants will help make them stronger and keep cool anyway . possibly a 80 for intake and 120 for exhaust in both chambers? or maybe a bigger one for exhaust in my flower chamber because it will have a home made carbon filter attached on the outside. but to keep temp under control i might have to put 2 intakes in the flower chamber to keep it cool. pc fans may be my only choice in this situation due to the noise. thanks for the reply and links ill take a look at them right meow!

QUESTION: ok so this box is going in my addict so i dont want extensions coming down from my bedroom ceiling into a wall plug SOOO what would i need to be able to plug all my grow shit into that can sit up there in the addict? keep in mind im going to be powering about 4 pc fans and the lighting of the box etc...
 
imatigr

imatigr

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What are your temps like in your attic? Seems like it might be too hot in an attic, unless you plan on doing this in the winter.
You need to get power up there one way or another. So do you want to just run one extension cord or run another circuit? however you decide to get power up there, all you need is a power strip and you should be able to plug all of your stuff into that. They are usually rated for 15 amps which should be more than enough for your box. I have everything in my box plugged into one right now.

Your plans for the veg will probably work, but honestly I think you are going to have problems keeping that 250 cool with some pc fans. But you can try it and if it doesn't work then you can always upgrade the fans. Another thing is that you said your box is going to be in your attic, so noise shouldnt be too hard to conceal. The only thing I can hear from my grow box is the exhaust coming out of the vent line off of the fan, can't really hear the fan itself or anything else unless standing right by it. The only reason I can hear the exhaust from my fan now is because I have the 4 inch duct just going to the same room its in. Once I get it exhausted to the attic you wont be able to hear it at all.
 
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thanks for the replies. for the addict im not to sure about the temp up there but id assume it stays about the temp of the house. What would i need to start a new circuit? so i dont have to run an extension cord from up there into my room to plug it in. Also i checked out some DIY stuff in the forums and it has some great stuff in it =) for the 250 i planned to eventually build a cooltube for it if its a problem keeping the heat under control and may consider a few fancy home-made gadjets.

what kind of fans are you using?
 
imatigr

imatigr

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I would check the temps in your attic to make sure they arent really high. I know most attics are much hotter than the rest of the house unless they are partially finished. As for starting a new circuit, you need to be familiar with home wiring and electricity. It's not too hard but i dont know what your skill level is like with this type of stuff. But basically you need in open slot in your fuse box for another fuse, run the proper gauge wire from the fuse box to the location in the attic, install outlet receptacles, and then install the new fuse in the fuse box to hook it all up. You can google plenty of good information on adding a new circuit, or get a book that usually has great explanations and pictures from a home improvement store. If you don't feel confident installing a new circuit yourself, you could find a friend that has done it before or an electrician and just say it's for an attic fan or something. The cooltube would help keep temps controlled very well. The fan i am currently using for my exhaust is this one. It's a standard inline centrifugal fan that moves a decent amount of air. The big plus to fans like these are that they are designed to pull through filters and aircooled hoods/ cooltubes without losing hardly any cfm, where as a standard pc fan or many others will lose most of the cfm when attached to a filter or hood.
 
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the addict also has like screened holes at the top all around it so that should help with new air in and out of the addict itself. as for the new circuit.. fuck that =P haha itd still require wires running into the addict. i was wondering if i can have something just sitting in the addict by the grow box that can power it without running an extension cord out the addict in my room and plugged in the wall (the entrance is in my closet ceiling) as for the fan the one u have is nice haha but a lil pricey =P ive been reading and considered like an inline duct fan for the exhaust connected with a homemade carbon filter on the outside. as for the cooltube maybe the same kind of fan im not sure yet. ill try and post some links to some threads and videos on some of the DIY (do it yourself) stuff im planning on building for the box so you can have a better idea of what i envision.

https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/388044-unofficial-dry-vac-carbon-filter-5.html

https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/279224-diy-cool-tube-3.html

Idk wtf this guy is saying but when im done, the cooltube should look something like this! maybe a bit more ghetto looking haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VbEbs3jZVk&feature=related
 
imatigr

imatigr

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Well I dont know what to do for your power situation. You basically want something like a generator next to the box in your attic. I built one of those filters and it works well but i ended up buying one any ways. That cool tube will work very well also. As for the fan, it will probably work for the cool tube, but may not work well with a carbon. once you connect that carbon filter to it, it will lose a great amount of cfm. If money is an issue, you may want to save up and just get it done right the first time around. I'm glad i did. In the end do what you want, and it may work for your situation.
 
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i took measurements of my addict and realized that its not tall enof to fit my original design idea's height so im gunna need to change a few things.. instead of it being 6ftish tall its gunna have to be about 4 ft tall so ima have the veg and flower chamber next to eachother instead of it being one on top of eachother. so now im picturing the box being about 4 ft tall, 4 ft wide, and 2 feet deep so ill have 4 sq feet of space each box and 4 feet tall giving each plant in both cycles about 1 sq foot of space and 4 feet of growing room. i was talking to my brother about the design and he pointed out a few things that i would like other peoples opinions on.. he mentioned that clones might not be able to grow in the addict because its not sterile enof. he also suggested that i use cfls for the flower chamber too instead of a 250hps due to heat issues..
 
imatigr

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that's same size grow area i use. except i only have one box. You could easily make some filters for your intake vents. I used these cut to fit over my intake to help keep stuff out. As for the cfl's yes they will help keep heat down but your yield would be less. If you go with cfl's you should definitely look into lst or scrog to help get the most out of your plants. You can get good results from cfl's so go for it. Do what you gotta do to make your situation work.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Honeywell-HRF-AP1-Universal-Carbon-Pre-Filter/16540033
 
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yeah i definately planned on LST'ing and supercropping methods. as for the cfl to hps replacement how much of a difference in yield could it be?
 
imatigr

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i have no clue on any numbers or anything like that. but wwith cfl's buds are usually more airy and light, where as with hps they will be tight and solid
 
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i use the multi plug bar outlet wit 6 plug ins on it i think and one really good drop cord and if you need more on the last plug you can plug in another to that one and another if you want this way you just have to worry with one drop cord!
 
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hydrochronics10874 said:
i use the multi plug bar outlet wit 6 plug ins on it i think and one really good drop cord and if you need more on the last plug you can plug in another to that one and another if you want this way you just have to worry with one drop cord!
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Haha good method =P but would i have to worry about any outlet overloads or fires from pluggin to much shit in?

ALSO ima draw my new design cuz im stoned and so you get a better idea of it =P
PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND LEAVE SOME REPLIES ON ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT/FLAWS/SUGGESTIONS/ETC..

ALSO the box is supposed to be somewhat stealthed in my attic so it has to be almost 100% light proof, smell proof, and sound proof.

The box will be 4ft tall, 4 feet wide, and 2 feet deep. split in the middle with a wall to seperate the left chamber(veg and clone chamber) from the right chamber(flowering chamber) giving each chamber 4sq feet and 4 ft of height to grow. on the bottom left wall of the veg chamber will be an intake fan attached with some type of filter to keep the air clean. on the bottom part of the seperating wall will be an intake fan (about leveled with the other intake fan) sucking air from the veg chamber to the flower chamber with breeze going across the stems of all the plants. on the top part of the seperating wall will be another intake fan by the lights to help keep them cool in the veg room, while it exhaust it onto the lights in the flower room. on the upper right wall of the flower box will be an exhaust fan also helping cool off the lights attached on the outside with a home-made carbon filter. lights in both the veg and flower chamber will probably be a 4light fixture socketed with y sockets giving each fixture 8 cfl lights (23 watt 2700k for veg and 23 watt 6500k for flower) with reflective hood and light timer synced to the right plant cycles (18/6 and 12/12) or should i go with my original idea with a 250watt hps cool-tube for the flower chamber. i will also be putting a thermostat in both chambers (somewhere by the plants maybe inbetween all the pots in the center of the box) and there will be a thermostat on the outside of the box to keep track of the temps in my attic. i think thats about it so please leave some replys/suggestions and criticism! STAY HIGH

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stelthy

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If you would like to build summink simerlar to this.. Maybe with twin chambers for Veg and Flower, I could defo help you design summink, Below I've added a LINK to my thread, it shows how I built the cab from scratch...There is tons of pics and imfo you may deem helpful, hopefully it is :) :-



https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new.html




Yeah if ya like what ya see and am interested in getting some designs etc let me know :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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stelthy said:



I also helped Bud-Baby build his cab, Here's a LINK to that.. Sorry for so many pics, I hope they help though :) Ive added LINK to his thread too:-



https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/390631-stealth-cabinets.html



I can pretty much build any cab, the skies the limit :) lemme know what ya think :) - STELTHY :leaf:
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damn stelthy PRO cab!! very neat and nicely put together deserves +rep. I would more than love for you to help me design mine and help with any flaws/issues i may come across and the pictures help a BUNCH (im better with visuals) but 1st i need to finalize the design and make sure its what i need and want before i start building because ive changed it i dont know how many times to fit requirements
 
stelthy

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4blunt2time0 said:
damn stelthy PRO cab!! very neat and nicely put together deserves +rep. I would more than love for you to help me design mine and help with any flaws/issues i may come across and the pictures help a BUNCH (im better with visuals) but 1st i need to finalize the design and make sure its what i need and want before i start building because ive changed it i dont know how many times to fit requirements
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Cool man! no worries :) send me a message when ya wanna start :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
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