Tahoe OG x Stardawg SIP Coot Mix.

DankTankerous

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Day 64
Flowering week 10

Hey folks,

Not too much to say. She’s drinking a lot less water and the lower leaves are dying out. Do y’all experience the water drop off towards the end of the flowering cycle?

side buds are bursting out and she’s smelling much much more. There a few new pistils popping up, but the swelling is going slow. It’s been hard not chopping her down. I’ve had to tie up some buds, because they’re leaning so hard. I’ve been picking lowers but took a couple branches for some smoke. Is that ok? Will that stress her out?

I’m going wait another week, although the suspense is killing me.

Temps have been a little high <82, but not consistently. RH 30’s. Night temps are <61.
 

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GreenGuy_1995

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Day 64
Flowering week 10

Hey folks,

Not too much to say. She’s drinking a lot less water and the lower leaves are dying out. Do y’all experience the water drop off towards the end of the flowering cycle?

side buds are bursting out and she’s smelling much much more. There a few new pistils popping up, but the swelling is going slow. It’s been hard not chopping her down. I’ve had to tie up some buds, because they’re leaning so hard. I’ve been picking lowers but took a couple branches for some smoke. Is that ok? Will that stress her out?

I’m going wait another week, although the suspense is killing me.

Temps have been a little high <82, but not consistently. RH 30’s. Night temps are <61.
I've had some plants that keep drinking the same all the way to the end, and some that lighten up on the drinking last week or so.

It's okay to take samples, that wont stress her out enough to worry..

Looking good!
 

DankTankerous

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Day 67

I found at least 5 nanners, some multiple ones in the same spot. I think she’s done. I’m putting her in 48hrs darkness, then going to dry her in the tent. I have a humidifier, so hopefully I can get 60%RH in it for a slow dry. The buds are nice and tight. The dried lowers have no grassy taste. The joint is so smooth and full of pine OG’ness with a little skunk from the Stardawg. It’s mostly OG though. Very peaceful calming high, doesn’t put you to sleep, but you could if you wanted to. Truly medicinal bud. Low heart rate, good pain reliever, just a nice peaceful high. She’s got legs too, the brunt of the high wears off in an hour but the effects linger for a couple more. I can’t wait to smoke the finished product that has been dried and cured well. These buds I have been smoking are lowers or tops from the outskirts. They have a ton of resin and are great for grinders with kief catchers, they rain with resin every grind. Anyways I’ll give a final smoke and harvest report when it’s finished. After it’s done drying, I’m throwing my clone in there and flowering her. I’ll need a nice upper strain after this.

Thanks for joining me on the ride
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MistaRasta

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Good job on the grow!

I’ve grown a couple of GP’s stardawg crosses out a few years back and really liked them. Good yields, easy to grow, easy to clone, and nice potency.

This journal gave me a lot of motivation to go order some SD crosses!

enjoy those beautiful flowers
 

kratos015

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As someone who just recently purchased Greenpoint strains, and is currently vegging with them, this thread was very useful and informative for me.

I'm always leery when it comes to purchasing new strains from seedbanks I've never done business with, this thread was very helpful for making my decision to give it a try.

Beautiful looking buds for sure, very well done. Sucks about the bananas, but maybe you'll get a good seed or two out of the ordeal.
 

DankTankerous

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As someone who just recently purchased Greenpoint strains, and is currently vegging with them, this thread was very useful and informative for me.

I'm always leery when it comes to purchasing new strains from seedbanks I've never done business with, this thread was very helpful for making my decision to give it a try.

Beautiful looking buds for sure, very well done. Sucks about the bananas, but maybe you'll get a good seed or two out of the ordeal.
Hey dude, thank you for the kind words. I’m really glad you found this helpful. Part of the reason why I make these journals are to help folks in some way, even if it’s by my mistake. Plus it’s always great to have a information about a strain you’re about to purchase. I wish people did this more often.

The nanners could have been mine or just apart of the genetics. This happened to me on a strain earlier, different genetics, but had diesel in it. My temps are around 81, which with LED’s I’ve noticed that is a good temp for it. So that temp could be too high for the plant in its later stages. They say with LED’s to have it in the low 80’s because of the lack of leaf temperature that is caused by the cool-ness of the LED’s. I love my quantum board but it seems like it doesn’t get better light penetration than HID’s. Then again I have an early quantum board, so I’m sure they’re better. Just with this light I get about 12-18” of good light penetration than it drops off.
 

DankTankerous

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Hey folks,

By tomorrow morning they’ll be at 7 days drying. I have them hanging with their sugar leaves on and have a humidifier in there, with the intake fan on it’s lowest setting. The first few days were troublesome trying to get into the 60 degree 60%RH. Temps got up to 81, because of the dehumidifier. I turned that off and just let the intake fan do some work. I really didn’t want stale air, and the dehumidifier was being wonky. Now temps are at 65 and 66-67% RH. I know that’s a little high but that’s as close to the sweet spot as I can get it.

The bud is great, very peaceful calming high. You can do homework while high from it. It’s a great bud to smoke joints with. Easy and smooth, with a great stone to it, definitely night cap, but doesn’t make me sleepy.
 

kratos015

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Hey dude, thank you for the kind words. I’m really glad you found this helpful. Part of the reason why I make these journals are to help folks in some way, even if it’s by my mistake. Plus it’s always great to have a information about a strain you’re about to purchase. I wish people did this more often.

The nanners could have been mine or just apart of the genetics. This happened to me on a strain earlier, different genetics, but had diesel in it. My temps are around 81, which with LED’s I’ve noticed that is a good temp for it. So that temp could be too high for the plant in its later stages. They say with LED’s to have it in the low 80’s because of the lack of leaf temperature that is caused by the cool-ness of the LED’s. I love my quantum board but it seems like it doesn’t get better light penetration than HID’s. Then again I have an early quantum board, so I’m sure they’re better. Just with this light I get about 12-18” of good light penetration than it drops off.
Definitely, I realized that when most of my Google searches would show incomplete journals, or sometimes nothing at all. The information could possibly help someone in the future and we'd never know it. Especially with strains and seed banks; so many crap genetics out there these days, so it is good to have a review from a reliable source. I am a lot more stoked about the Greenpoint seeds than I was prior to this journal, now I'm definitely looking forward to it.

Bananas could be the temps, or even the light intensity itself.

I have no experience with LEDs unfortunately, but my DE HPS provides me similar results and experiences, like being mindful of VPD and extra K+Mg needs due to these new light's spectrum and intensity.

Have you tried dimming the lights at around week 5 of flower? I noticed that my plants will love absolutely every bit of my DE MH/HPS, right up until week 5 of flower, then they start showing signs of light stress. My theory with dimming the lights came from realizing what the sun is like in an outdoor grow, spring sun, summer sun, and fall sun are very different things.

We as growers change spectrum similar to the sun, however never dim the lights similar to the sun being less intense in the fall. It sounds counterintuitive, but dimming the lights has actually been good for me. Outdoors, flowering begins in the summer, but ends in the fall. Replicating this indoors has helped me. Might be useful information to you as well?

All the best!
 

DankTankerous

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Definitely, I realized that when most of my Google searches would show incomplete journals, or sometimes nothing at all. The information could possibly help someone in the future and we'd never know it. Especially with strains and seed banks; so many crap genetics out there these days, so it is good to have a review from a reliable source. I am a lot more stoked about the Greenpoint seeds than I was prior to this journal, now I'm definitely looking forward to it.

Bananas could be the temps, or even the light intensity itself.

I have no experience with LEDs unfortunately, but my DE HPS provides me similar results and experiences, like being mindful of VPD and extra K+Mg needs due to these new light's spectrum and intensity.

Have you tried dimming the lights at around week 5 of flower? I noticed that my plants will love absolutely every bit of my DE MH/HPS, right up until week 5 of flower, then they start showing signs of light stress. My theory with dimming the lights came from realizing what the sun is like in an outdoor grow, spring sun, summer sun, and fall sun are very different things.

We as growers change spectrum similar to the sun, however never dim the lights similar to the sun being less intense in the fall. It sounds counterintuitive, but dimming the lights has actually been good for me. Outdoors, flowering begins in the summer, but ends in the fall. Replicating this indoors has helped me. Might be useful information to you as well?

All the best!
Yeah extremely useful, my buds get crispy and the trichomes start frying. I wonder if that’s the reason there’s a “tint” of grass smell to my buds. Do you have any journals or articles that could point me in the right direction? I don’t have a par meter just a lumens meter.

Maybe I just need to jump on the LED forum.
 

kratos015

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Yeah extremely useful, my buds get crispy and the trichomes start frying. I wonder if that’s the reason there’s a “tint” of grass smell to my buds. Do you have any journals or articles that could point me in the right direction? I don’t have a par meter just a lumens meter.

Maybe I just need to jump on the LED forum.
Yeah! I'd get that too. Perfect grow, everything was "correct", but still all of the above issues and what I described. I never experienced these issues under Single Ended Bulb grows, but once I switched to a DE bulb I encountered many new challenges I'd never faced growing under SE bulbs.

If we think about it, its a symptom of excess light. If our buds have that "hay" smell to them, that means chlorophyll is being "fried" by something. Consider that "hay/chlorophyll" smell is also a terpene, and what is producing that terpene? Excess light, I believe.

I cannot provide much other than personal anecdotes based on my own personal experiences. Google searches have given me the following citations from articles, but I'm still honestly not quite sure what questions to ask Google to get the information to confirm my theory. I recall coming across the term "Photosynthesis toxicity" a few years back, but Google searches have yielded me no results upon searching for that.

Here's a few excerpts and articles I came up with from my searching, but still nothing conclusive enough for me to believe my theory as fact.

Source 1

"Photosynthesis is a life-sustaining process by which plants store solar energy as sugar molecules. However, if sunlight is in excess, it can lead to leaves being dehydrated and damaged. To prevent such damage, plants dissipate extra light as heat."

"Previous research has shown how plants quickly adapt to changes in sunlight intensity. Even in very sunny conditions, only 30 per cent available sunlight is converted into sugar, and the rest is released as heat. The excess energy, if not released, leads to the creation of free radicals that can damage proteins and other important cellular molecules."

“During photosynthesis, light-harvesting complexes play two seemingly contradictory roles. They absorb energy to drive water-splitting and photosynthesis, but at the same time, when there’s too much energy, they have to also be able to get rid of it” (Or, perhaps not have the surpluss in the first place?)

Source 2

"Although light is the energy source for plant growth, excessive light can lead to depression in photosynthetic efficiency (photoinhibition), mainly due to oxidative damage to the photosystem II"



Its always week 5 this happens too, which is what triggered my brain into asking; "Why week 5?"

Eventually made me consider outdoor light cycles. Not sure about your location, but flower here starts early July and goes into Sept-Oct. So I thought, July-August is like weeks 1-4 of flower indoor, and Sept-Oct is like weeks 5-12 in flower indoor. If only 30% of available sunlight is used, this means the rest is excess.

The same plants that were doing everything in their power to grow into the DE/LED bulbs themselves if they could, were now suffering. Outdoors, the sun changes and is further away from the plants, as well as dimmer. I never considered this change in an indoor environment. Since dimming my lights at week 5+, I have had much greater results.

While I will readily admit dimming lights sounds like "stoner science", I've based it on the fact that fall sunlight is much different than spring/summer sunlight in terms of both intensity and spectrum. We indoor growers will change from MH to HPS bulbs to account for the spectrum changes between spring/fall, but not once have I seen anyone suggest dimming lights to "fall levels" as we observe the sun itself doing.

Furthermore, even in the summer, plants never deal with constant direct sunlight. The sun is moving outdoors; yet another thing we as indoor growers can forget to account for. Outdoors, it isn't 12 full hours of direct overheat sunlight, its more like 3-4 hours of overhead sun.

Try dimming your lights at week 5 and see if you notice any positive changes like I did. We can always dial things back to 100%, but cannot take any excess back. Especially in flower.

It has helped me quite a bit, and I'm embarrassed it took me so many years of growing to realize I needed to dim my lights. Seems incredibly counterintuitive, but it works. Of course, it is always something simple and plain that I have ignored.

Sorry for the book, I still do not believe the information is conclusive enough to confirm my theory at this time, but hopefully the information was useful to you in some way.
 

GenericEnigma

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Yeah! I'd get that too. Perfect grow, everything was "correct", but still all of the above issues and what I described. I never experienced these issues under Single Ended Bulb grows, but once I switched to a DE bulb I encountered many new challenges I'd never faced growing under SE bulbs.

If we think about it, its a symptom of excess light. If our buds have that "hay" smell to them, that means chlorophyll is being "fried" by something. Consider that "hay/chlorophyll" smell is also a terpene, and what is producing that terpene? Excess light, I believe.

I cannot provide much other than personal anecdotes based on my own personal experiences. Google searches have given me the following citations from articles, but I'm still honestly not quite sure what questions to ask Google to get the information to confirm my theory. I recall coming across the term "Photosynthesis toxicity" a few years back, but Google searches have yielded me no results upon searching for that.

Here's a few excerpts and articles I came up with from my searching, but still nothing conclusive enough for me to believe my theory as fact.

Source 1

"Photosynthesis is a life-sustaining process by which plants store solar energy as sugar molecules. However, if sunlight is in excess, it can lead to leaves being dehydrated and damaged. To prevent such damage, plants dissipate extra light as heat."

"Previous research has shown how plants quickly adapt to changes in sunlight intensity. Even in very sunny conditions, only 30 per cent available sunlight is converted into sugar, and the rest is released as heat. The excess energy, if not released, leads to the creation of free radicals that can damage proteins and other important cellular molecules."

“During photosynthesis, light-harvesting complexes play two seemingly contradictory roles. They absorb energy to drive water-splitting and photosynthesis, but at the same time, when there’s too much energy, they have to also be able to get rid of it” (Or, perhaps not have the surpluss in the first place?)

Source 2

"Although light is the energy source for plant growth, excessive light can lead to depression in photosynthetic efficiency (photoinhibition), mainly due to oxidative damage to the photosystem II"



Its always week 5 this happens too, which is what triggered my brain into asking; "Why week 5?"

Eventually made me consider outdoor light cycles. Not sure about your location, but flower here starts early July and goes into Sept-Oct. So I thought, July-August is like weeks 1-4 of flower indoor, and Sept-Oct is like weeks 5-12 in flower indoor. If only 30% of available sunlight is used, this means the rest is excess.

The same plants that were doing everything in their power to grow into the DE/LED bulbs themselves if they could, were now suffering. Outdoors, the sun changes and is further away from the plants, as well as dimmer. I never considered this change in an indoor environment. Since dimming my lights at week 5+, I have had much greater results.

While I will readily admit dimming lights sounds like "stoner science", I've based it on the fact that fall sunlight is much different than spring/summer sunlight in terms of both intensity and spectrum. We indoor growers will change from MH to HPS bulbs to account for the spectrum changes between spring/fall, but not once have I seen anyone suggest dimming lights to "fall levels" as we observe the sun itself doing.

Furthermore, even in the summer, plants never deal with constant direct sunlight. The sun is moving outdoors; yet another thing we as indoor growers can forget to account for. Outdoors, it isn't 12 full hours of direct overheat sunlight, its more like 3-4 hours of overhead sun.

Try dimming your lights at week 5 and see if you notice any positive changes like I did. We can always dial things back to 100%, but cannot take any excess back. Especially in flower.

It has helped me quite a bit, and I'm embarrassed it took me so many years of growing to realize I needed to dim my lights. Seems incredibly counterintuitive, but it works. Of course, it is always something simple and plain that I have ignored.

Sorry for the book, I still do not believe the information is conclusive enough to confirm my theory at this time, but hopefully the information was useful to you in some way.
All three grows I have finished involved turning down the lights at about week eight--one grow with a SE HPS, two with a 300W LED. They just start to show heat or light damage.

I don't push my plants much. They stay near 72dF and 30% RH, with a small drop in temp at night. Sometimes the RH goes into the low 20s. But I typically keep the lights about 24" from the tops.

This story is only anecdotal, and I have no real knowledge of how all my variables contribute to this choice to dim. But my first grow got pretty dried and burned at the tops before I turned down the light. The second and third grows showed the first signs of this damage and I just turned down the light.

I'm keeping a close eye on my current and fourth grow, and one plant is almost to the eight-week mark.
 

DankTankerous

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All three grows I have finished involved turning down the lights at about week eight--one grow with a SE HPS, two with a 300W LED. They just start to show heat or light damage.

I don't push my plants much. They stay near 72dF and 30% RH, with a small drop in temp at night. Sometimes the RH goes into the low 20s. But I typically keep the lights about 24" from the tops.

This story is only anecdotal, and I have no real knowledge of how all my variables contribute to this choice to dim. But my first grow got pretty dried and burned at the tops before I turned down the light. The second and third grows showed the first signs of this damage and I just turned down the light.

I'm keeping a close eye on my current and fourth grow, and one plant is almost to the eight-week mark.
that makes since, sometimes things are anecdotal. You know Gregor Mendel the Father of Genetics, his theories weren’t proven until the invention of the microscope… he even failed his test to become a college professor. I say all of that to say just because it’s anecdotal doesn’t make it false. Not trying to say take everything anecdotal as the gospel. No matter what you grow, observations are key.

my temps were high 81, humidity was at 30. This is anecdotal but, I have always seen better growth with my temps at 81. What do you keep yours prior to the 8 weeks of flowering?
 

GenericEnigma

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that makes since, sometimes things are anecdotal. You know Gregor Mendel the Father of Genetics, his theories weren’t proven until the invention of the microscope… he even failed his test to become a college professor. I say all of that to say just because it’s anecdotal doesn’t make it false. Not trying to say take everything anecdotal as the gospel. No matter what you grow, observations are key.

my temps were high 81, humidity was at 30. This is anecdotal but, I have always seen better growth with my temps at 81. What do you keep yours prior to the 8 weeks of flowering?
It hovers around 70-72dF the whole grow. I keep the tent in a conditioned space and let the LED heat it as much as it wants.

I don't do a lot of fine tuning with conditions, and tend to keep it simple. I'm not sure how the low temp and low RH play into VPD or nutrient uptake. Like what you say is key, I just observe.

And if it ain't broke....
 

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DankTankerous

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My apologies about the absence. I took her down and got a good yield (for me). She yielded 1/2. That’s the most I’ve ever gotten, however I my grows have changed substantially with each one.

temps were high <85, usually sitting at 81 till the end. I believe this was detrimental. The grass smell is going on with the buds. I had a couple of mishaps with temps and RH during drying. After the first 3 days I had it to <69% and temps were <72. I pulled the buds when they were a little too dry. I’m getting a 52% RH in a 1/2gal jar.

However, it’s really good smoke. Gets me nice and stoned. Tastes amazing (no grass flavor). Tastes like industrial glue with pine, lemon, guava, body odor, skunk and rubber. Joints are incredibly easy to smoke and will get you nice and stoned. I prefer to smoke joints with this bud, it helps with the high and tastes great. It’s a very peaceful stone, not heady in the least bit. Which helps when your doing homework. Great pain medicine.

It’s not very photogenic but it’s frosty as . My pollen catcher gets quite a bit of kief from it. I have some bubble bags so I’ll be getting some hash from that.

Do y’all throw whole nugs (like separated bud pieces from the stock) or break it up (not grinding) when making bubble hash?

here’s a few pics. All of the bud except what’s in the tent is not pictured
 

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DankTankerous

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It hovers around 70-72dF the whole grow. I keep the tent in a conditioned space and let the LED heat it as much as it wants.

I don't do a lot of fine tuning with conditions, and tend to keep it simple. I'm not sure how the low temp and low RH play into VPD or nutrient uptake. Like what you say is key, I just observe.

And if it ain't broke....
I really need a portable AC Unit. My Quantum board heats up quite a bit, even on its lowest setting.

also what kind of LED Light are you using?
 

GenericEnigma

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I really need a portable AC Unit. My Quantum board heats up quite a bit, even on its lowest setting.

also what kind of LED Light are you using?
It's a MH TSW-2000, 300 watts. The tent is big enough with enough air exchange that I only get about 2-3dF rise out of it.

It's been a good light, but I'll upgrade to something with better coverage (LED strips, probably).

Is it just the HLG heating up your space?
 

DankTankerous

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It's a MH TSW-2000, 300 watts. The tent is big enough with enough air exchange that I only get about 2-3dF rise out of it.

It's been a good light, but I'll upgrade to something with better coverage (LED strips, probably).

Is it just the HLG heating up your space?
Wow thats incredibly cool. Yeah… it heats up. From what I have read in the past, is LED’s heat that comes from the light, is not enough for the leaf temperature. It’s probably outdated info but I swear I see much more growth and less problems with it at 81. My lights are almost 4 yrs old and even though it’s not that old, technology has definitely come a long way
 

DankTankerous

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Hey Folks,

I want to end the journal with a segment where I critique the grow: tell what went wrong, what went right, and how I can improve moving forward.

NUTRIENTS
First off, I needed to top dress earlier. On day 43 she started to show crispy, burnt edge sugar leaves, by that time it had been a month since I top dressed with fish bone meal. It should have been available by that time since it takes up to 55 days to break down. However I believe my soil can break it down quicker, with the amount of LaB, ferments, worm castings, worms, a lot of fungi and using hay as a mulch. In the future I will probably top dress every two weeks with fish bone meal. I was top dressing with castings every two weeks or so. I think a soil test is in order after this cover crop has died. Maybe the nutrients were locked out? I know this strain is a hungry gal and it proved that. I think transplanting when it's smaller is a good idea.

LIGHT
I should have dimmed the lights quite a bit, i think the highest top was 16" from the light which was probably too intense. Next time around i'll keep the light dimmed low and distance from the tops 20"

WATER

On day 57 or 56 she dried out while i was out of town, my girlfriend was taking care of it but didn't water it, like I said. Since that time, the plant stopped drinking substantially, I think that really hit it hard.

TEMPS
The temperatures were too high towards the end, they got up to 85 and although not sustained for while, I still believe it did damage. There wasn't much i could do on that part, I need to buy a portable AC and really an environment control.

WHAT WENT RIGHT
Crazy huge buds that produce a shit ton of trichomes. It'll stone you like hell but won't cause brain fog, perfect for doing homework, not so great with playing disc golf. Flavors range between buds: Sour, Skunk, Pine, Burnt Rubber, even the guava. It tastes great, but just like really well grown cannabis, nothing that coats or really stands out.

I have some C99 s1 seeds from Duke Diamond going right now. I popped some True Love from Jinxproof but none of them germinated. Last time i grew C99 it gave me a run for my money, but i'm a much better grower and use totally different methods than when i first grew it.

Thank you to everyone who followed and helped me out a long the way.

Happy Growing!
 

DankTankerous

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Hey Dudes,

i’m still smoking it 4 months later and it’s a banger. Gonna miss it when it’s gone. I have some jars of bud and hash stashed away so, I’ll try and keep it for another 8 months.

BTW, the C99 grow is going great, putting it into flower today. Still deciding on taking clones. Im germinating Jinxproof Sativa Scream, 5 reg seeds, it was a freebie and three reg seeds of 9lb hammer x Dosidos. Anyways I’ve started a new journal, I’d love to have you on the ride

Happy Growing

 

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