The Four Biggest Right Wing Lies About Income Inequality

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"Even though French economist Thomas Piketty has made an air-tight case that we’re heading toward levels of inequality not seen since the days of the nineteenth-century robber barons, right-wing conservatives haven’t stopped lying about what’s happening and what to do about it.

Herewith, the four biggest right-wing lies about inequality, followed by the truth.

Lie number one: The rich and CEOs are America’s job creators. So we dare not tax them.

The truth is the middle class and poor are the job-creators through their purchases of goods and services. If they don’t have enough purchasing power because they’re not paid enough, companies won’t create more jobs and economy won’t grow.

We’ve endured the most anemic recovery on record because most Americans don’t have enough money to get the economy out of first gear. The economy is barely growing and real wages continue to drop.

We keep having false dawns. An average of 200,000 jobs were created in the United States over the last three months, but huge numbers of Americans continue to drop out of the labor force.

Lie number two: People are paid what they’re worth in the market. So we shouldn’t tamper with pay.

The facts contradict this. CEOs who got 30 times the pay of typical workers forty years ago now get 300 times their pay not because they’ve done such a great job but because they control their compensation committees and their stock options have ballooned.

Meanwhile, most American workers earn less today than they did forty years ago, adjusted for inflation, not because they’re working less hard now but because they don’t have strong unions bargaining for them.

More than a third of all workers in the private sector were unionized forty years ago; now, fewer than 7 percent belong to a union.

Lie number three: Anyone can make it in America with enough guts, gumption, and intelligence. So we don’t need to do anything for poor and lower-middle class kids.

The truth is we do less than nothing for poor and lower-middle class kids. Their schools don’t have enough teachers or staff, their textbooks are outdated, they lack science labs, their school buildings are falling apart.

We’re the only rich nation to spend less educating poor kids than we do educating kids from wealthy families.

All told, 42 percent of children born to poor families will still be in poverty as adults – a higher percent than in any other advanced nation.

Lie number four: Increasing the minimum wage will result in fewer jobs. So we shouldn’t raise it.

In fact, studies show that increases in the minimum wage put more money in the pockets of people who will spend it – resulting in more jobs, and counteracting any negative employment effects of an increase in the minimum.

Three of my colleagues here at the University of California at Berkeley – Arindrajit Dube, T. William Lester, and Michael Reich – have compared adjacent counties and communities across the United States, some with higher minimum wages than others but similar in every other way.

They found no loss of jobs in those with the higher minimums.

The truth is, America’s lurch toward widening inequality can be reversed. But doing so will require bold political steps.

At the least, the rich must pay higher taxes in order to pay for better-quality education for kids from poor and middle-class families. Labor unions must be strengthened, especially in lower-wage occupations, in order to give workers the bargaining power they need to get better pay. And the minimum wage must be raised.

Don’t listen to the right-wing lies about inequality. Know the truth, and act on it."

http://robertreich.org/post/84828387105
 
Although I disagree with a few things in this post I find it pretty interesting. I came from a really poor family and went to a crappy school and I stayed in school and got a job, it's as easy as that. Every kid in America has equal opportunity to get an education and get a job. Some just have a tougher journey to get there, but that just builds character.
 
Although I disagree with a few things in this post I find it pretty interesting. I came from a really poor family and went to a crappy school and I stayed in school and got a job, it's as easy as that. Every kid in America has equal opportunity to get an education and get a job. Some just have a tougher journey to get there, but that just builds character.
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Although I disagree with a few things in this post I find it pretty interesting. I came from a really poor family and went to a crappy school and I stayed in school and got a job, it's as easy as that. Every kid in America has equal opportunity to get an education and get a job. Some just have a tougher journey to get there, but that just builds character.
How does a rich kid born in an upper class wealthy neighborhood and a poor kid born in a ghetto have equal opportunity to get an education?
 
How does a rich kid born in an upper class wealthy neighborhood and a poor kid born in a ghetto have equal opportunity to get an education?

Until the rest of the nation has free community collage Oregon and Tennessee will offer a free education so we have 48 more to go and then it will be equal for all.
 
Although I disagree with a few things in this post I find it pretty interesting. I came from a really poor family and went to a crappy school and I stayed in school and got a job, it's as easy as that. Every kid in America has equal opportunity to get an education and get a job. Some just have a tougher journey to get there, but that just builds character.
How long ago was that? I drive my brother to interviews, there are 20-30 people in there trying to get hired. A master's degree in accounting and he still can't get a job. Keep believing the lies though.
 
How does a rich kid born in an upper class wealthy neighborhood and a poor kid born in a ghetto have equal opportunity to get an education?

I was born into a lower income family. Father was a factory worker and mom was a homemaker. I went to the same public school as the rich kids from the West side of town and the dirt poor kids from the South side of town. We had the same teachers, same books and the same facilities. Some of the poor kids excelled, plenty of the rich kids either struggled or failed to excel due to laziness. We all spent the exact same amount of time in class and received identical instruction. It's absolutely fair to say that each student's success was commiserate with the effort they put into their education and the limitations of their intelligence.

Almost without exception, students today are exposed to virtually the same material, regardless of their location. It's mandated by big brother. You get out of it, what you put into it. Excuses are permitted, but not generally accepted as you transition into adulthood.
 
How long ago was that? I drive my brother to interviews, there are 20-30 people in there trying to get hired. A master's degree in accounting and he still can't get a job. Keep believing the lies though.

Thats a bummer, with the unemployment down to 5% almost everybody has a job. Your brother doesn't have a nose ring does he?
 
I was born into a lower income family. Father was a factory worker and mom was a homemaker. I went to the same public school as the rich kids from the West side of town and the dirt poor kids from the South side of town. We had the same teachers, same books and the same facilities. Some of the poor kids excelled, plenty of the rich kids either struggled or failed to excel due to laziness. We all spent the exact same amount of time in class and received identical instruction. It's absolutely fair to say that each student's success was commiserate with the effort they put into their education and the limitations of their intelligence.

Almost without exception, students today are exposed to virtually the same material, regardless of their location. It's mandated by big brother. You get out of it, what you put into it. Excuses are permitted, but not generally accepted as you transition into adulthood.

*commensurate

try not to use big words, you make yourself look fucking stupid. which is accurate, just not what you are going for.
 
I was born into a lower income family. Father was a factory worker and mom was a homemaker. I went to the same public school as the rich kids from the West side of town and the dirt poor kids from the South side of town. We had the same teachers, same books and the same facilities. Some of the poor kids excelled, plenty of the rich kids either struggled or failed to excel due to laziness. We all spent the exact same amount of time in class and received identical instruction. It's absolutely fair to say that each student's success was commiserate with the effort they put into their education and the limitations of their intelligence.

Almost without exception, students today are exposed to virtually the same material, regardless of their location. It's mandated by big brother. You get out of it, what you put into it. Excuses are permitted, but not generally accepted as you transition into adulthood.
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"America is the land of opportunity, just for some more than others.

That's because, in large part, inequality starts in the crib. Rich parents can afford to spend more time and money on their kids, and that gap has only grown the past few decades. Indeed, economists Greg Duncan and Richard Murnane calculate that, between 1972 and 2006, high-income parents increased their spending on "enrichment activities" for their children by 151 percent in inflation-adjusted terms, compared to 57 percent for low-income parents.

But, of course, it's not just a matter of dollars and cents. It's also a matter of letters and words. Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years. That's why, as Stanford professor Sean Reardon explains, "rich students are increasingly entering kindergarten much better prepared to succeed in school than middle-class students," and they're staying that way.

It's an educational arms race that's leaving many kids far, far behind.

It's depressing, but not nearly so much as this:

Even poor kids who do everything right don't do much better than rich kids who do everything wrong. Advantages and disadvantages, in other words, tend to perpetuate themselves. You can see that in the above chart, based on a new paper from Richard Reeves and Isabel Sawhill, presented at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston's annual conference, which is underway.

Specifically, rich high school dropouts remain in the top about as much as poor college grads stay stuck in the bottom — 14 versus 16 percent, respectively. Not only that, but these low-income strivers are just as likely to end up in the bottom as these wealthy ne'er-do-wells. Some meritocracy.

What's going on? Well, it's all about glass floors and glass ceilings. Rich kids who can go work for the family business — and, in Canada at least, 70 percent of the sons of the top 1 percent do just that — or inherit the family estate don't need a high school diploma to get ahead. It's an extreme example of what economists call "opportunity hoarding." That includes everything from legacy college admissions to unpaid internships that let affluent parents rig the game a little more in their children's favor.

But even if they didn't, low-income kids would still have a hard time getting ahead. That's, in part, because they're targets for diploma mills that load them up with debt, but not a lot of prospects. And even if they do get a good degree, at least when it comes to black families, they're more likely to still live in impoverished neighborhoods that keep them disconnected from opportunities.

It's not quite a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose game where rich kids get better educations, yet still get ahead even if they don't—but it's close enough. And if it keeps up, the American Dream will be just that."

TL;DR - Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...etter-than-rich-kids-who-do-everything-wrong/
 
How does a rich kid born in an upper class wealthy neighborhood and a poor kid born in a ghetto have equal opportunity to get an education?
I lived in the ghetto. I have seen with my own eyes what a resourceful person can do. I'm talking enough grants and programs to pay full tuition and books. On top of that I've seen people get grants for cars and even a lump sum of money to live on. Is it hard to get? Idk but have witnessed several people do it.


When I went to community college I was making enough to just barley knock me out of some grants. I still got a little money.

Non the less it was a $100 a credit hour. 12 credit hours a semester = $1200 x 2 = 2400 a year plus books. They let me make payments.

I know the couple to few thousand a year can be payed for. I know for a fact that making minimum wage and you have a kid or two that the EIC at tax time will be several thousand dollars.

Maybe instead of buying that 73' TV pay for a year of college. Don't believe me. Go to Walmart at tax time and watch the dumb shit people buy.

Yea I agree that we need better funds and better resources for our kids education but I also know that maybe its about time people hitch their fucking pants up and get their priorities straight. Take some personal responsibility.
 
"Even though French economist Thomas Piketty has made an air-tight case that we’re heading toward levels of inequality not seen since the days of the nineteenth-century robber barons, right-wing conservatives haven’t stopped lying about what’s happening and what to do about it.

Herewith, the four biggest right-wing lies about inequality, followed by the truth.

Lie number one: The rich and CEOs are America’s job creators. So we dare not tax them.

The truth is the middle class and poor are the job-creators through their purchases of goods and services. If they don’t have enough purchasing power because they’re not paid enough, companies won’t create more jobs and economy won’t grow.

We’ve endured the most anemic recovery on record because most Americans don’t have enough money to get the economy out of first gear. The economy is barely growing and real wages continue to drop.

We keep having false dawns. An average of 200,000 jobs were created in the United States over the last three months, but huge numbers of Americans continue to drop out of the labor force.

Lie number two: People are paid what they’re worth in the market. So we shouldn’t tamper with pay.

The facts contradict this. CEOs who got 30 times the pay of typical workers forty years ago now get 300 times their pay not because they’ve done such a great job but because they control their compensation committees and their stock options have ballooned.

Meanwhile, most American workers earn less today than they did forty years ago, adjusted for inflation, not because they’re working less hard now but because they don’t have strong unions bargaining for them.

More than a third of all workers in the private sector were unionized forty years ago; now, fewer than 7 percent belong to a union.

Lie number three: Anyone can make it in America with enough guts, gumption, and intelligence. So we don’t need to do anything for poor and lower-middle class kids.

The truth is we do less than nothing for poor and lower-middle class kids. Their schools don’t have enough teachers or staff, their textbooks are outdated, they lack science labs, their school buildings are falling apart.

We’re the only rich nation to spend less educating poor kids than we do educating kids from wealthy families.

All told, 42 percent of children born to poor families will still be in poverty as adults – a higher percent than in any other advanced nation.

Lie number four: Increasing the minimum wage will result in fewer jobs. So we shouldn’t raise it.

In fact, studies show that increases in the minimum wage put more money in the pockets of people who will spend it – resulting in more jobs, and counteracting any negative employment effects of an increase in the minimum.

Three of my colleagues here at the University of California at Berkeley – Arindrajit Dube, T. William Lester, and Michael Reich – have compared adjacent counties and communities across the United States, some with higher minimum wages than others but similar in every other way.

They found no loss of jobs in those with the higher minimums.

The truth is, America’s lurch toward widening inequality can be reversed. But doing so will require bold political steps.

At the least, the rich must pay higher taxes in order to pay for better-quality education for kids from poor and middle-class families. Labor unions must be strengthened, especially in lower-wage occupations, in order to give workers the bargaining power they need to get better pay. And the minimum wage must be raised.

Don’t listen to the right-wing lies about inequality. Know the truth, and act on it."

http://robertreich.org/post/84828387105

Robert Reich...lol

Piketty has been thoroughly eviscerated regarding the accuracy of his ideological assertions.
He is clearly not the be all and end all that you so obviously and desperately wish he were.
His ruminations are far from sacrosanct.

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http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/09/understanding-thomas-piketty-and-his-critics



A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom.… On the other hand, a society that puts freedom first will, as a happy by-product, end up with both greater freedom and greater equality.1

http://macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolio.../Cole-Milton-Friedman-on-Income-Inequaity.pdf
 
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I was born into a lower income family. Father was a factory worker and mom was a homemaker. I went to the same public school as the rich kids from the West side of town and the dirt poor kids from the South side of town. We had the same teachers, same books and the same facilities. Some of the poor kids excelled, plenty of the rich kids either struggled or failed to excel due to laziness. We all spent the exact same amount of time in class and received identical instruction. It's absolutely fair to say that each student's success was commiserate with the effort they put into their education and the limitations of their intelligence.

Almost without exception, students today are exposed to virtually the same material, regardless of their location. It's mandated by big brother. You get out of it, what you put into it. Excuses are permitted, but not generally accepted as you transition into adulthood.
I lived in the ghetto. I have seen with my own eyes what a resourceful person can do. I'm talking enough grants and programs to pay full tuition and books. On top of that I've seen people get grants for cars and even a lump sum of money to live on. Is it hard to get? Idk but have witnessed several people do it.


When I went to community college I was making enough to just barley knock me out of some grants. I still got a little money.

Non the less it was a $100 a credit hour. 12 credit hours a semester = $1200 x 2 = 2400 a year plus books. They let me make payments.

I know the couple to few thousand a year can be payed for. I know for a fact that making minimum wage and you have a kid or two that the EIC at tax time will be several thousand dollars.

Maybe instead of buying that 73' TV pay for a year of college. Don't believe me. Go to Walmart at tax time and watch the dumb shit people buy.

Yea I agree that we need better funds and better resources for our kids education but I also know that maybe its about time people hitch their fucking pants up and get their priorities straight. Take some personal responsibility.

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20 Things the Rich Do Every Day

So what do the rich do every day that the poor don’t do?

1. 70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day. 23% of wealthy gamble. 52% of poor people gamble.

2. 80% of wealthy are focused on accomplishing some single goal. Only 12% of the poor do this.

3. 76% of wealthy exercise aerobically four days a week. 23% of poor do this.

4. 63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% of poor people.

5. 81% of wealthy maintain a to-do list vs. 19% of poor.

6. 63% of wealthy parents make their children read two or more non-fiction books a month vs. 3% of poor.

7. 70% of wealthy parents make their children volunteer 10 hours or more a month vs. 3% of poor.

8. 80% of wealthy make Happy Birthday calls vs. 11% of poor.

9. 67% of wealthy write down their goals vs. 17% of poor.

10. 88% of wealthy read 30 minutes or more each day for education or career reasons vs. 2% of poor.

11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% of poor.

12. 79% of wealthy network five hours or more each month vs. 16% of poor.

13. 67% of wealthy watch one hour or less of TV every day vs. 23% of poor.

14. 6% of wealthy watch reality TV vs. 78% of poor.

15. 44% of wealthy wake up three hours before work starts vs. 3% of poor.

16. 74% of wealthy teach good daily success habits to their children vs. 1% of poor.

17. 84% of wealthy believe good habits create opportunity luck vs. 4% of poor.

18. 76% of wealthy believe bad habits create detrimental luck vs. 9% of poor.

19. 86% of wealthy believe in lifelong educational self-improvement vs. 5% of poor.

20. 86% of wealthy love to read vs. 26% of poor.
 
I grew up in a ghetto. Went to a crappy elementary school. Dropped out of high school in the 9th grade because it was a fucking battleground. Joined the Army the day after my 18th birthday. Went to college after the Army three years later on the deferred compensation portion of my Army employment known as the GI bill.

My father was an unemployed alcoholic, and my mother supported the family working a low paying job. Mine was the poorest family in a poor neighborhood. We were never on the dole as far as I know, though we surely qualified.

Got a BS CS/Chemistry/Math and went to work for an aerospace company in California. Slowly worked my way out of poverty.

I am not saying that everybody in such circumstances can do it, most cannot. I am just saying that it can be done.

Life ain't fair. If you are born into poverty you have to work your ass off to get out of it. Most won't make it.

Chelsea Clinton, Malia Obama, and George W Bush are going to be wealthy no matter what happens. They are all going to go to the best schools and corporate CEOs are going to fall over each other trying to be the first to offer them pots of gold. None of these aristocratic kids is anything special, heck one of them is illegitimate. Like I said, life ain't fair.
 
20 Things the Rich Do Every Day

So what do the rich do every day that the poor don’t do?

1. 70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day. 23% of wealthy gamble. 52% of poor people gamble.

2. 80% of wealthy are focused on accomplishing some single goal. Only 12% of the poor do this.

3. 76% of wealthy exercise aerobically four days a week. 23% of poor do this.

4. 63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% of poor people.

5. 81% of wealthy maintain a to-do list vs. 19% of poor.

6. 63% of wealthy parents make their children read two or more non-fiction books a month vs. 3% of poor.

7. 70% of wealthy parents make their children volunteer 10 hours or more a month vs. 3% of poor.

8. 80% of wealthy make Happy Birthday calls vs. 11% of poor.

9. 67% of wealthy write down their goals vs. 17% of poor.

10. 88% of wealthy read 30 minutes or more each day for education or career reasons vs. 2% of poor.

11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% of poor.

12. 79% of wealthy network five hours or more each month vs. 16% of poor.

13. 67% of wealthy watch one hour or less of TV every day vs. 23% of poor.

14. 6% of wealthy watch reality TV vs. 78% of poor.

15. 44% of wealthy wake up three hours before work starts vs. 3% of poor.

16. 74% of wealthy teach good daily success habits to their children vs. 1% of poor.

17. 84% of wealthy believe good habits create opportunity luck vs. 4% of poor.

18. 76% of wealthy believe bad habits create detrimental luck vs. 9% of poor.

19. 86% of wealthy believe in lifelong educational self-improvement vs. 5% of poor.

20. 86% of wealthy love to read vs. 26% of poor.
Source? also, what's your point? Are you suggesting that we put all children, not just wealthy ones, into nice schools and provide a richer learning environment where they can learn better how to succeed?
 
I lived in the ghetto. I have seen with my own eyes what a resourceful person can do. I'm talking enough grants and programs to pay full tuition and books. On top of that I've seen people get grants for cars and even a lump sum of money to live on. Is it hard to get? Idk but have witnessed several people do it.


When I went to community college I was making enough to just barley knock me out of some grants. I still got a little money.

Non the less it was a $100 a credit hour. 12 credit hours a semester = $1200 x 2 = 2400 a year plus books. They let me make payments.

I know the couple to few thousand a year can be payed for. I know for a fact that making minimum wage and you have a kid or two that the EIC at tax time will be several thousand dollars.

Maybe instead of buying that 73' TV pay for a year of college. Don't believe me. Go to Walmart at tax time and watch the dumb shit people buy.

Yea I agree that we need better funds and better resources for our kids education but I also know that maybe its about time people hitch their fucking pants up and get their priorities straight. Take some personal responsibility.
Refer to post #11. It's a lot more than people being lazy or not taking personal responsibility and it would benefit you to acknowledge that. We live in a system where everyone can't win, no matter how hard everyone tries, there will always be those that fail, even though they tried just as hard as the ones that succeeded. Instead of condemning them as lazy/stupid/or whatever else to demonize them, imo we should work on improving the system that allows hard working people to fail.
 
I grew up in a ghetto. Went to a crappy elementary school. Dropped out of high school in the 9th grade because it was a fucking battleground. Joined the Army the day after my 18th birthday. Went to college after the Army three years later on the deferred compensation portion of my Army employment known as the GI bill.

My father was an unemployed alcoholic, and my mother supported the family working a low paying job. Mine was the poorest family in a poor neighborhood. We were never on the dole as far as I know, though we surely qualified.

Got a BS CS/Chemistry/Math and went to work for an aerospace company in California. Slowly worked my way out of poverty.

I am not saying that everybody in such circumstances can do it, most cannot. I am just saying that it can be done.

Life ain't fair. If you are born into poverty you have to work your ass off to get out of it. Most won't make it.

Chelsea Clinton, Malia Obama, and George W Bush are going to be wealthy no matter what happens. They are all going to go to the best schools and corporate CEOs are going to fall over each other trying to be the first to offer them pots of gold. None of these aristocratic kids is anything special, heck one of them is illegitimate. Like I said, life ain't fair.
You do know it was a socialist institution that helped you out of the poverty trap don't you. Go socialism, I mean Army.

At least that's the story for your persona, not sure that I believe that its you.
 
20 Things the Rich Do Every Day

So what do the rich do every day that the poor don’t do?

1. 70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day. 23% of wealthy gamble. 52% of poor people gamble.

2. 80% of wealthy are focused on accomplishing some single goal. Only 12% of the poor do this.

3. 76% of wealthy exercise aerobically four days a week. 23% of poor do this.

4. 63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% of poor people.

5. 81% of wealthy maintain a to-do list vs. 19% of poor.

6. 63% of wealthy parents make their children read two or more non-fiction books a month vs. 3% of poor.

7. 70% of wealthy parents make their children volunteer 10 hours or more a month vs. 3% of poor.

8. 80% of wealthy make Happy Birthday calls vs. 11% of poor.

9. 67% of wealthy write down their goals vs. 17% of poor.

10. 88% of wealthy read 30 minutes or more each day for education or career reasons vs. 2% of poor.

11. 6% of wealthy say what’s on their mind vs. 69% of poor.

12. 79% of wealthy network five hours or more each month vs. 16% of poor.

13. 67% of wealthy watch one hour or less of TV every day vs. 23% of poor.

14. 6% of wealthy watch reality TV vs. 78% of poor.

15. 44% of wealthy wake up three hours before work starts vs. 3% of poor.

16. 74% of wealthy teach good daily success habits to their children vs. 1% of poor.

17. 84% of wealthy believe good habits create opportunity luck vs. 4% of poor.

18. 76% of wealthy believe bad habits create detrimental luck vs. 9% of poor.

19. 86% of wealthy believe in lifelong educational self-improvement vs. 5% of poor.

20. 86% of wealthy love to read vs. 26% of poor.



You should pass out some tums for indigestion after a post like that.
 
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