The McGurk Effect: Proof we are all easily programmable and can't trust ourselves.
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Observe & Report
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Get out of here with your "science."
My bro said he didn't feel like he was biased and he grows fire. Do you even lift?
My bro said he didn't feel like he was biased and he grows fire. Do you even lift?
hanimmal
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Like weights? Or candy bars at the store or something?
I just thought that this video is one of the coolest things I have seen and shows how easily our eyes will override what is truly happening because we have brains that are basically just probability machines. As soon as your eyes see the lips tucking under top front teeth we have seen it so often that we immediately see a 'f' noise.
Congrats on your bro's weed. I don't know how bias comes into play.
RetiredGuerilla
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Everyone in this forum has been programmed to cast aside common sense. For the love of God you think the oceans curve into a ball !!
Grandpapy
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..and yet you still come across somewhat flat.
I admire the way you call to the flock. Whats wrong with all the smart people??
Communist Dreamer
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I must have a screwed up brain. The "fa" mouth movement makes me think closer to "va" sound.
hanimmal
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It makes sense, there are a few ways it seems to work, basically it is the tucked teeth to make the 'va' and 'fa' (when I do them anyway) do look the same. And likewise when you say 'ba' there is kind of a tucking of the lips.
Communist Dreamer
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Oh that makes sense. Also I have hearing damage, in the 8khz range, which might be contributing too. Ba and Fa/Va all are in that range?
I don't really think this is a "programmable" event, like the OP's conclusion.
It seems like this is a filtering effect which we learn while children. We learn at a young age our hearing can get manipulated from noise pollution, but we don't usually consider altered reality, unless you're schizophrenic.
Therefore we assume since the mouth making the movement has an impossible movement for the sound, the sound was somehow polluted not to really make the ba sound and uses the closest sound to that.
This also happens in situations which I thought was called anticipation bias not the McGurk Effect, like if you gave someone an ice cream cone with mashed potatoes, the person for a split second would think it really tasted like ice cream. Not only that, but the mashed potatoes would instantly taste bad, even if the person liked mashed potatoes, because the clash in perception and confusion.
hanimmal
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Im a economist/statitician so I think more of it as a Baysian were even if our ears hear it correctly, and our eyes are seeing the facial positions our brain is 'programed' to go with eyes first.
There is a lot of cool brain tricks with foods too. The science that is just beginning to be discovered it so awesome. Another that I really enjoy thinking about is the rubber hand trick and the magnetized belt.
Rubber Hand:
Brain controlled wheelchair:
Direction Belt:
https://360.here.com/2015/04/17/wearables-improve-sense-direction/
I think we are at the cusp of some great innovations on how to improve peoples lives and mobility when we start combining these types of technologies and understandings of how we can reprogram how we live in our world.
Communist Dreamer
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@hanimmal I want to believe what you say is true, but, how will we afford this stuff? Insurance doesn't cover, for instance, hearing aids, because such an invention didn't exist back when regulations were put in place.
I don't know if you understand even what's considered mild hearing loss is quite substantial.
I lost much of the 8khz hearing range after getting the flu a few years ago.
Certain phoneme combinations I can't make out very well, especially when spoken by women.
My main problem is speech in noise, which could be cured, but I can't afford the minimum $3,000 per ear for the technology which exists.
Something needs to change.
I don't know if you understand even what's considered mild hearing loss is quite substantial.
I lost much of the 8khz hearing range after getting the flu a few years ago.
Certain phoneme combinations I can't make out very well, especially when spoken by women.
My main problem is speech in noise, which could be cured, but I can't afford the minimum $3,000 per ear for the technology which exists.
Something needs to change.
hanimmal
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We do need to get much better at working out how to get things to the people that need them. We are getting better as a society, at least we can now recognize people have different needs and not just stigmatize them.
To answer how to afford, I think first we would need to get accurate data on the total number of people that would find these things useful and combine that with estimated costs to even figure out how much funding would be needed.
hanimmal
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One thing I could see being very useful with the direction belt is to have it linked to multiple users. So say a mom with 2 or 3 kids at a park, those kids could have their own 'sensor' vibration on the moms belt. So as they move around the mom always has a instant understanding of the direction between them and each kid. It would be easy I would think too to have a 'intensity' vibration/auditory alarm if a certain distance is crossed to alert for potential trouble.
The mom would instantly know which direction to run, who to look for, and how far to go to find their kid.
The mom would instantly know which direction to run, who to look for, and how far to go to find their kid.
Jasen Kling
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It would be great if these findings would become practical and apply in human life. It will bring a lot of useful, and life will become the most perfect.
Seems not feasible, but I hope.
Seems not feasible, but I hope.
Observe & Report
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Oh but these findings are practical and absolutely apply in human life. It is findings like this that led to the development of double blind, randomized, controlled experiments. It's why the growers that claim organic weed tastes better or regular seeds are more potent are full of shit. Maybe organic weed does taste better or males do provide potency, or maybe their brain is fooling them like the people who hear something different just because they saw someones lips move a certain way. Without controlled testing they have no way of knowing and without knowing about the many different ways you can be fooled by your own brain it is easy to believe nonsense spread by other people who are unduly confident in their knowledge.