This sound about right?

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"Early Vegging: 800 to 850 PPM — This is when you typically transplant. At this stage, not a lot of particles are needed. Mid-Stage Vegging: 850 to 900 PPM — You'll start giving your plants more nutrients at this point. Late-Stage Vegging: 900 to 950 PPM — Nutrient intake increases as your plants prepare to flower."

Above is results of google search, seems high to me for some reason what do yall think?


What is the Ideal PPM for Nutes At first feedings?

What What is the ideal PPM Mid Veg?

What is the Ideal PPM for Bloom?
 
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Fangthane said:
I think it depends heavily on your grow medium, lighting and various environmental variables. Doubt there's anything close to a concrete one-size-fits-all answer.
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Grow Medium is:

50% Peat
50% Vermiculite
Dolomitic Lime 40g per cubic foot
Gypsum 10 grams per cubic foot
 
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It’s really strain dependent, then after that it comes down to how fast of a metabolism the plant has due to the environment you provide, I always advise to start at half the dose on whatever nute companies feed chart ur using, then work your way up until your plants are super healthy, after that you can experiment with higher strengths
 
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Watch the plants, if the leaves curl under and look as if they are hiding then back off the watts or raise the light if its not dimmable.
 
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IndooorGardnerOhio said:
Yep
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Then copy his nutrient regiment but start abit lower and build up to whatever he says is full strength for each phase.

It’s impossible for any of us to say what is optimal as we don’t know your strain/environment/nutes. I’ve seen people go as high as an ec of 6 with Athena and 1 strain whereas I’ve seen toxicities from an ec of 2.5 with canna and a different strain.

I don’t mean any offence but I gotta ask, is this your first time growing?
 
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Blue brother said:
Then copy his nutrient regiment but start abit lower and build up to whatever he says is full strength for each phase.

It’s impossible for any of us to say what is optimal as we don’t know your strain/environment/nutes. I’ve seen people go as high as an ec of 6 with Athena and 1 strain whereas I’ve seen toxicities from an ec of 2.5 with canna and a different strain.

I don’t mean any offence but I gotta ask, is this your first time growing?
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Yes this will be my first grow, No Offense taken at all, you called it spot on. I know there is no catch all answer, I was more looking for a ball park on where to start. Dr Bugbee says 889 PPM or about 1.27EC. For some reason that just seems rather high for a seedlings first feeding.
 
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IndooorGardnerOhio said:
Yes this will be my first grow, No Offense taken at all, you called it spot on. I know there is no catch all answer, I was more looking for a ball park on where to start. Dr Bugbee says 889 PPM or about 1.27EC. For some reason that just seems rather high for a seedlings first feeding.
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Okay well you’re in the right place, you’ve started with something rather complicated but so did I, my first grow was dwc and I’ll be honest it didn’t work nearly as well as I’d hoped, I didn’t have the skills or experience to make it work on the scale I’d intended. I then moved onto using rock wool and various methods of irrigation before eventually settling on drip irrigation, I ran that successfully for many years.

Now I grow in living soil and I have to say it’s so so so much easier, and once I got the irrigation frequency right I’m very happy with the yield. I say this because this is how I recommend people I teach to start, walk before you run.

My advice to you is to start lower than that, for seedlings I’d start with maybe 0.7 ec. But I wouldn’t feed that until about a week after the plant sprouts from the medium. For the first week I just give plain water. You’re not gonna kill a seedling instantly by giving too little, but if you give too much you can kill it with one watering. Please remember this.

Bugbee knows his stuff, so if you follow his advice to the letter you should be ok, but always remember that solution strength is a very personal parameter that depends on a lot of factors like I mentioned earlier.

Good luck!
 
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Blue brother said:
Okay well you’re in the right place, you’ve started with something rather complicated but so did I, my first grow was dwc and I’ll be honest it didn’t work nearly as well as I’d hoped, I didn’t have the skills or experience to make it work on the scale I’d intended. I then moved onto using rock wool and various methods of irrigation before eventually settling on drip irrigation, I ran that successfully for many years.

Now I grow in living soil and I have to say it’s so so so much easier, and once I got the irrigation frequency right I’m very happy with the yield. I say this because this is how I recommend people I teach to start, walk before you run.

My advice to you is to start lower than that, for seedlings I’d start with maybe 0.7 ec. But I wouldn’t feed that until about a week after the plant sprouts from the medium. For the first week I just give plain water. You’re not gonna kill a seedling instantly by giving too little, but if you give too much you can kill it with one watering. Please remember this.

Bugbee knows his stuff, so if you follow his advice to the letter you should be ok, but always remember that solution strength is a very personal parameter that depends on a lot of factors like I mentioned earlier.

Good luck!
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Well, I will say I do have a lot of expirence growing OTHER plants indoors, in soil,soilless and hydro, Tomatoes, herbs, and such. So, I know at least the very basic of how each works for food crops anyway. So I am not super concerned as far as things like over or under watering, I have ml syringes for that, I tend to baby my seedlings regardless of the plant lol. Its more a matter of learning how Cannabis functions under the skill set I have and what i need to change or adjust to this plant.

For example, with Tomatoes, I go 2 weeks after it breaks the soil on plain water about 5ml a day, then once I repot to the final container, Im on about 1200ppm total between my water an nutes all the way through, usually water with that solution every 4 days and water with plain water once in between.
 
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IndooorGardnerOhio said:
Well, I will say I do have a lot of expirence growing OTHER plants indoors, in soil,soilless and hydro, Tomatoes, herbs, and such. So, I know at least the very basic of how each works for food crops anyway. So I am not super concerned as far as things like over or under watering, I have ml syringes for that, I tend to baby my seedlings regardless of the plant lol. Its more a matter of learning how Cannabis functions under the skill set I have and what i need to change or adjust to this plant.

For example, with Tomatoes, I go 2 weeks after it breaks the soil on plain water about 5ml a day, then once I repot to the final container, Im on about 1200ppm total between my water an nutes all the way through, usually water with that solution every 4 days and water with plain water once in between.
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well that’s good to hear!

I’m not quite sure bugbee says about watering frequency, but the general consensus when growing cannabis in hydroponics is to water
daily with freshly oxygenated nutrient solution. I know with certain styles like hempys you don’t have to water every day but I still prefer to, it’s about getting the container size right so you get the right dry back period that will allow you to water daily.

as for the nutrient solution just start abit lower than he recommends, it’s not gonna hurt anything. Then as you watch your first cannabis plant grow and transition through its phases, you will learn so much about how different macro n micro nutrient ratios and different solution strengths act on the plant.

I used canna aqua vega and Flores for years and found that quite easy to work with, but there’s loads of others and loads of info on them on this site, I always hear really good things about jacks. I think In these nutrient specific threads you might find the answers you’re looking for.

Pick something that’s easy to work with and well documented and chances are you’ll have success following other people’s regiments.
 
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Blue brother said:
well that’s good to hear!

I’m not quite sure bugbee says about watering frequency, but the general consensus when growing cannabis in hydroponics is to water
daily with freshly oxygenated nutrient solution. I know with certain styles like hempys you don’t have to water every day but I still prefer to, it’s about getting the container size right so you get the right dry back period that will allow you to water daily.

as for the nutrient solution just start abit lower than he recommends, it’s not gonna hurt anything. Then as you watch your first cannabis plant grow and transition through its phases, you will learn so much about how different macro n micro nutrient ratios and different solution strengths act on the plant.

I used canna aqua vega and Flores for years and found that quite easy to work with, but there’s loads of others and loads of info on them on this site, I always hear really good things about jacks. I think In these nutrient specific threads you might find the answers you’re looking for.

Pick something that’s easy to work with and well documented and chances are you’ll have success following other people’s regiments.
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He says to water with nutes everytime and the jest is "as needed" by the weight of the pot, if its light water, if it still feels heavy dont water.

As far as nutes, I got the wrong Jacks cause the lable color was the same, so its actually their Bloom Booster(so im set for flowering)lol. So I got a bag of MegaCrop on the way as well.

I also a Box of Expert Gardener and a Container of Fertilome so I can figure Something out with nutes, once I dial in the PPM where I need it.
 
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