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Liberals Don't Ask "What Happens Next?"

By Dennis Prager

Tuesday, February 6, 2007


In general, the Left does not ask the question, "What will happen next?" when formulating social policy. Not thinking through the long-range consequences of their positions is liberalism's tragic flaw.

Take almost any position that distinguishes the Left:
Will higher taxes help the economy?

The major reason the Left advocates tax increases is not that these tax increases will help the American economy. Higher taxes rarely help the economy, and most liberals don't even make that argument. Their argument is about equality, the Left's paramount value. The animating factor for the Left is narrowing the gap between the rich and poor. That is why so few on the Left have had moral problems with Fidel Castro's totalitarian regime -- Cubans may not have liberty, but almost all Cubans are equally poor.

Likewise, that explains left-wing support for Venezuela's Hugo Chavez even as he develops into a Castro-like dictator: He advocates economic equality.
Is continued illegal immigration good for America or for Mexico?

Regarding illegal immigration, what most concerns the Left is not the consequences of illegal immigration. It is compassion for the illegal immigrant. Now, I happen share that concern -- were I a poor Mexican seeing no hope for me or my children in my corrupt homeland, I, too, would try to enter America illegally. But it is not enough to have compassion for the illegal immigrant; the responsible citizen needs to consider the consequences of vast numbers of people illegally entering his country. If America is increasingly unable to sustain -- economically, demographically, in terms of crime -- the great number of illegal immigrants, it is incumbent on all responsible people to figure out how to stem the flow of illegal immigrants. It is not even good for Mexico, because it enables that country to avoid needed reforms. Any country that knows its poorest citizens can go to another country from which they will also send back billions of dollars is hardly being pressured into doing anything about its poverty.
Is bilingual education good for immigrant children?

Here, too, compassion trumps effectiveness. The country that has successfully assimilated the greatest percentage of immigrants is Israel, and that country does not have bilingual education. Immigrant children in its public schools are immersed in Hebrew, despite the fact that Hebrew is far more difficult than English is for most of its immigrants (especially those speaking Latin languages). But it is not what works that matters for liberals advocating bilingual education; it is their perception of compassion and multiculturalism.

Does affirmative action help black students?


The Left supports colleges changing admissions standards to enable more African Americans, among other minorities, to enroll. Despite all the evidence that such policies often hurt minority students -- they fail or drop out of college at greater rates than other students; they are not prepared for the demands of a more elite college; they feel they are seen as not having entered the college on their own merits -- liberals continue to support race-based affirmative action. It may not help blacks, but they nevertheless deserve it because of America's racist past.


What would the Kyoto Protocols do to the American and world economies?

As noted by the internationally respected Danish environmentalist Professor Bjorn Lomborg, the economic price America would pay if it abided by the Kyoto Protocols on carbon emissions would catastrophically impact the American -- and therefore world -- economy. Moreover, abiding by the Protocols would have a negligible effect on carbon emissions and global warming. But the Left has embraced global warming hysteria. And hysteria it is -- according to the latest UN report, for example, the potential ocean level increase due to global warming is 1 foot, not the 20 feet of Al Gore's documentary on global warming and lower than the 1.5 feet projected in the previous UN report.

Would withdrawal from Iraq increase or decrease human suffering?

Left-wing "peace activists" do not seem to concern themselves with the question of what happens if their policies are enacted and America leaves Iraq. But those of us who are concerned with this question are certain that war and murder, torture and rape of the innocent will increase. That is why "peace activist" is usually a misnomer. They usually bring war, not peace.

Does nationalized health insurance work?

Press reports and formal studies about Canada's and Britain's health care strongly suggest that those nationalized health care systems provide increasingly poor care to their nations' citizens. But for those on the Left who want nationalized health insurance to come to America, Sweden is the preferred model, as if a relatively tiny, homogeneous, nearly all-middle-class country provides a more effective model than Canada or the United Kingdom.

In the view of many liberals, "What happens next?" is a pragmatic, but not idealistic, question by which to guide social policy. In fact, however, no question is as idealistic as "What happens next?" Asking it means that social policy is made by noble and compassionate minds, not hearts alone. In the rest of life, thinking through the consequences of actions is called "responsible" and "mature." Those remain worthy goals in public life as well.

Dennis Prager is a radio show host, contributing columnist for Townhall.com, and author of 4 books including Happiness Is a Serious Problem: A Human Nature Repair Manual.
 

medicineman

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Press reports and formal studies about Canada's and Britain's health care strongly suggest that those nationalized health care systems provide increasingly poor care to their nations' citizens. But for those on the Left who want nationalized health insurance to come to America, Sweden is the preferred model, as if a relatively tiny, homogeneous, nearly all-middle-class country provides a more effective model than Canada or the United Kingdom.
Ask any citizen of those countries that have had major medical emergencies if they would have rather have been in the USA where they could have lost their home from medical expenses, feel about the "free" to them health care. I have a friend (A US citizen) who goes to a little cabin he leases in canada for a month every year to go goose hunting. While there a couple a years ago, he had a major heart attack. He turned in to a canadian hospital and was immeadiately put into surgery, had a quadruple by-pass. when he got out they told him they would bill his insurance and not to worry about anything. since he was not a canadian citizen and since he didn't have the operation done in the US, the Insurance paid only a fraction of the cost (somewhere around 20,000 bucks) and he had to pay his insurance a 1250.00 co-pay. The operation in canada came to about 85,000 bucks and if he were a Canadian citizen, it would have cost him nothing. Yeah the canadians pay a little more in taxes, but all the middle men are cut out and the medical costs are much more cost effective. BTW, when he checked in to the hospital he had no hassles about insurance or how he was going to pay, even though he was a visitor from down under, they just admitted him and started the procedure!
 

7xstall

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In another recent study of the use of cardiac procedures between the United States and Ontario, Canada, 224,258 Medicare patients were compared to 9,444 patients of a similar age.(41) In the U.S. patients 34.9% underwent coronary angiograms versus 6.7% of the Canadian patients. For angioplasty 11.7% U.S. patients had these procedure versus 1.5% of the Canadian patients. For coronary artery bypass surgery 10.6% U. S. patients underwent this treatment versus only 1.4% of the Canadian patients. The 30 day mortality for the U.S. patients was 21.4% versus 22.3% for the Canadian patients.



like the write up says, we have better care than socialized systems. i'll get you more examples if you like...but i have a feeling you already know that medicine in the US is top of the line...


btw, those figures for bypass surgery are very high. my dad just had a 3 way done and it was no where near that expensive. on the surface it looks like your friend got gouged...
 

medicineman

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In another recent study of the use of cardiac procedures between the United States and Ontario, Canada, 224,258 Medicare patients were compared to 9,444 patients of a similar age.(41) In the U.S. patients 34.9% underwent coronary angiograms versus 6.7% of the Canadian patients. For angioplasty 11.7% U.S. patients had these procedure versus 1.5% of the Canadian patients. For coronary artery bypass surgery 10.6% U. S. patients underwent this treatment versus only 1.4% of the Canadian patients. The 30 day mortality for the U.S. patients was 21.4% versus 22.3% for the Canadian patients.



like the write up says, we have better care than socialized systems. i'll get you more examples if you like...but i have a feeling you already know that medicine in the US is top of the line...


btw, those figures for bypass surgery are very high. my dad just had a 3 way done and it was no where near that expensive. on the surface it looks like your friend got gouged...
Did you ever wonder why there so many more bypasses in the US than Canada. Maybe some are done for profit and are not really needed. Besides those could be skewed figures by HMOs or insurance companies. I don't think the elderly in Canada are dying off due to non-attention or there would be a huge stink raised. I believe your figures are biased. Gee Maybe the Canadians are just healthier, they do have a cleaner environment and with not having to worry about medical, maybe their stress level is way lower. Tell me why they took my friend in and put him right into surgery. He told me they didn't even ask him about his insurance untill he was out of intensive care. I don't get what you are afraid of in single payer medical. The only probable opposition would come either from the current providers or an idiot that liked paying way too much for medical. The current providers are so intrenched, I doubt we'll ever get them out, especially with all the graft being paid to our congress (re-election campaigns, free goodies and I'm guessing, money being transfered to relatives and foriegn bank accounts) that we'll never hear of!
 

Resinman

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I will pick apart the rest when i get time,,,but its all half truths or half lies by the desperate tax and spend right,,,pandering to the energy companys

What would the Kyoto Protocols do to the American and world economies?

As noted by the internationally respected Danish environmentalist Professor Bjorn Lomborg, the economic price America would pay if it abided by the Kyoto Protocols on carbon emissions would catastrophically impact the American -- and therefore world -- economy. Moreover, abiding by the Protocols would have a negligible effect on carbon emissions and global warming. But the Left has embraced global warming hysteria. And hysteria it is -- according to the latest UN report, for example, the potential ocean level increase due to global warming is 1 foot, not the 20 feet of Al Gore's documentary on global warming and lower than the 1.5 feet projected in the previous UN report.
Lomborg and the Danish Committee for Scientific Dishonesty

The concern over Lomborg's misrepresentation of the science was so great that three complaints were lodged with the Danish Committee for Scientific Dishonesty, which Lomborg describes as "a national review body, with considerable authority". [8]
The committee found "the publication is deemed clearly contrary to the standards of good scientific practice". [9] They stated "there has been such perversion of the scientific message in the form of systematically biased representation that the objective criteria for upholding scientific dishonesty ... have been met".
In the wake of the decision the conservative Danish Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, requested a review of the work of the Institute for Environmental Valuation (IEV) which Lomborg had been appointed to head in February 2002. [10]
Subsequently, the Danish government appointed a panel of five scientists to evaluate the reports produced by IEV. In August 2003 the committee announced that "the panel must conclude that none of the reports represent scientific work or methods in the traditional scientific sense". [11]
In December 2003, the Danish Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation (a branch of the government that had appointed Lomborg) repudiated the findings of the Danish Committee for Scientific Dishonesty, saying its treatment of the case was "dissatisfactory", "deserving criticism" and "emotional" and contained a number of significant errors. [12]. It told the DCSD to reconsider their verdict.[13]
In March 2004, the Danish Committee on Scientific Dishonesty declined to reconsider its verdict against Lomborg. [14]
 
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