*Want Opinions On This Diagnosis Problem*

Here's the link to my grow journal with all the info in it, it's going to be the most recent post but here is the pic here as well.



Summary:

Switched from 24/0 to 18/6 about 5 days ago to help with growth and root structure. I believe the little bit of dark helps them with certain processes during veg growth such as root structure as I've read in some researching.
Just took this pic a few moments ago. Watered 2 days ago. They will need some wind stress like yesterday to help them build they're stem system stronger, just haven't gotten around to it because the days aren't quite warm enough and I'm busy on top of that. They are starting to get a bit like green and yellowing & browning a bit on the edges of that first set of leaves on that tiny one, it's showing or mixing signs of pH lockout or over fertilizing BUT I have not fertilized at all yet, only watering with plain water and nothing else, and this only just started appearing, which, over fertilization would have appeared at the beginning of the grow had I used soil too hot which, like I've already stated that only been watered with plain H2O. My gut says it couldn't be a deficiency this early in it's life but maybe I'm wrong. Will have to get testing supplies and equipment on payday for further analysis.
It has been in the sunlight through the window indoors, days have been fairly good with sunshine except the last 3 days and they did catch "sun bleaching" last week which cleared up in 2 days.
Repotting into next size stage as well on payday and will be applying blood meal, bone meal, kelp, and many other beneficial additives.

They are searching hard for light and used up there tiny cell worth of N already.

Usually overwatering when they're that small

They look overwatered and ready for a full solo cup of soil ( burying most of that stretched stem ) .

The ” solo cup “ of potting soil will feed them without adding anything for a bit until seedling gets a little bigger then transplantable to it final container. I suggest dealing with this sooner than later.

Transplant day! Here is a current pics of these younglings. They're looking pretty good! Heading out to buy soil as we speak!

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Gemtree said:

Usually overwatering when they're that small

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Right, they were getting crusty dry on the bottom as I can see from looking at the bottom through the tray holes at the bottom, while the top was almost dry but still moist, that may have done it.

UndercoverCopMuahaha said:

Transplant day! Here is a current pics of these younglings. They're looking pretty good! Heading out to buy soil as we speak!

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Seems like overkill for a simple transplant.

UndercoverCopMuahaha said:

Transplant day! Here is a current pics of these younglings. They're looking pretty good! Heading out to buy soil as we speak!

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Please don't use any of this and just transplant into some fresh potting soil.

Just a tiny bit of each one except two of them because what I added looked like enough, didn't want to overdo it and burn them. Just finished the transplant about 2 hours ago.
Took a pH test as well (results are in the pics below)
Looks like I have them at a pH of 6.5 to 6.8ish

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UndercoverCopMuahaha said:

Just a tiny bit of each one except two of them because what I added looked like enough, didn't want to overdo it and burn them. Just finished the transplant about 2 hours ago.
Took a pH test as well (results are in the pics below)
Looks like I have them at a pH of 6.5 to 6.8ish

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So depending on the soil you're probably a touch to basic, 7.3 to 7.5 ish. A slurry test isn't an exact match to the actual soil pH. If it's Fox Farm soil, they have a guide on how to do it. For most other soils it's a complete guessing game and chasing run off has ruined many grows that if just left alone would have been fine.

If youre going with Walmart soils, check out Mother Earth Groundswell. I use it for my seedlings and clones. Its loaded with a ton of Nitrogen and you dont have to add anything.

I would strongly suggest it for young plants.

Still recovering from low pH added neutralizer a few days ago and still awaiting the dolomite lime to come. Did a 5-in-1 test today and everything seems to be balancing out but the pH is still a bit low but better. The soil has gotten more compact and tight which is probably why they are growing slowly. As soon as the dolomite lime gets here I will be doing a surgery re transplant into the same pot but with a higher mix of perlite and adding coco coir which I didn't have before. Coco coir tests good.

I chimed already but really wanted to say - you are way overthinking this.

There is absolutely no reason to write subjective numbers on a pot when all is needed is a simple germination and transplant.

All you need is a common bagged potting soil.
Nothing else. No special water / no ph . No slurry testing.

What you are doing is introducing too many variables- banana peels / lime and whatever. A good potting soil is all thats needed. No need to make this complicated.

A container of Happy frog or ocean forest / plant rooter plug and leave alone. Literally like a houseplant.

Something like this will power any seedling or transplant for weeks - on tap water.

Aye ye ye
Too much
Too soon
Of everything

your plants can adapt to a continuous environment even if it’s not perfect
You are transplanting way to soon
The roots need to develop and adapt to the container before the foliage growth comes
It feels like a roller coaster for them right now
Stop with all the changes till you get some healthy looking growth
I also suspect too much watering
Just slow down on the changes so far what you have been doing is not working
Try doing less

Herb & Suds said:

Aye ye ye
Too much
Too soon
Of everything

your plants can adapt to a continuous environment even if it’s not perfect
You are transplanting way to soon
The roots need to develop and adapt to the container before the foliage growth comes
It feels like a roller coaster for them right now
Stop with all the changes till you get some healthy looking growth
I also suspect too much watering
Just slow down on the changes so far what you have been doing is not working
Try doing less

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I appreciate everyone's input, thanks. They are over watered on purpose due to flushing, the pH was way too low for their health. They have to be optimally between 6.5/6.8 and I clearly messed that up during the addition of ingredients into their new purplish pots so all I'm doing right now is trying to balance out the pH back to normal ranges. The soil has to be changed as it won't change on their own so I must go about it very carefully, there's a perfect cannabis pH chart online somewhere (Google Images) that shows how the plant goes deficient outside of the range and shows the perfect range of nutrient uptake. Must get these out of this compacted soil ASAP

Bro, just buy a good soil mix, something that has 70% Coco and some nutes in it, and water with ph water, literally that's it, you'll get better results.
You don't need no slurry test, no runoff tests, those are all high high end production methods that barley apply to the out of time grower doing some home growing.
Skip all the tutorials on how to grow like a zen master, just keep it basic.

And btw, 18 or 24 hours of light has no meaning in root development.
Well, in 24 hours they will build faster, that's the main difference.

This is 24 hour plant under 250w hps.
Probably 3 week old from seed.

UndercoverCopMuahaha said:

I appreciate everyone's input, thanks. They are over watered on purpose due to flushing, the pH was way too low for their health. They have to be optimally between 6.5/6.8 and I clearly messed that up during the addition of ingredients into their new purplish pots so all I'm doing right now is trying to balance out the pH back to normal ranges. The soil has to be changed as it won't change on their own so I must go about it very carefully, there's a perfect cannabis pH chart online somewhere (Google Images) that shows how the plant goes deficient outside of the range and shows the perfect range of nutrient uptake. Must get these out of this compacted soil ASAP

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I’ve been growing in soil for over fifty years
Soil is a ph buffer
Which means it will correct itself if your ph is a little off
My well water averages 8.1
Stop chasing perfection and learn to grow first before you decide ph is the problem
All the little changes you keep making are slowing/stalling your growth
Good luck

Herb & Suds said:

I’ve been growing in soil for over fifty years
Soil is a ph buffer
Which means it will correct itself if your ph is a little off
My well water averages 8.1
Stop chasing perfection and learn to grow first before you decide ph is the problem
All the little changes you keep making are slowing/stalling your growth
Good luck

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The truth, I use soil with recharge for a little extra insurance that the soil microbes will buffer the pH just like the plant likes. Happy frog has microbials as well but who knows how it was stored it when it was bagged and what is still alive in it by the time it gets from California to Minnesota.