BTW I have been out of town so I never got to thank you all for the advice, 7 months later another grow, again with Hydro, in my DIY box which I have made a few improvements to ( this is the last grow in this box, its functional but not stealth as it looks way out of place having a plastic cabinet in my closet rather then the garage ) I learned from a lot of my mistakes from the last grow, so I anticipate the yield and such being better. I cracked 8 seeds for my small box, i will flower at 10 inches or so and lollipop and LST so I can fill the box with buds without getting too tall