what can I expect!!!!!!

OK, I had three plants growing in a closet grow and about half way thru flowering they went hermie on me and produced a lot seeds. It was during winter and I had a lot of trouble trying to keep the temp and humidity in check and I believe thats what stressed them out causing them to go hermie. My question is what ya think and what about the seeds that the plants produced, can I use them or will they just turn into hermiies also. Hopefully someone can give me some insight about this, thanks guys.

dude you have a light leak during thare night , or your not useing timers, or very bad gentics of the plants, a few seeds pick them out a lot of seeds make oil or brownies, the temp can go from 60 at thare night and 85 pushing 90 thare day. humidy flower 35 to 60

They will be all female seeds but they will most likely have a high ratio of deformities and hermaphroditism I wouldn't wast any time on them. Temp, PH and light leaks are the leading causes of hermaphroditism you need to get those factors under control. How do you have you're closet sealed off for light? I've used thick layers of black trash bags and gorilla tape to seal and partition off grow areas before. You can make doors and use velcro tape to secure them shut with a few alternating overlaying flaps to shut the light out. I also have a centrifugal fan pumping air in with another one pumping air out to keep the air flowing they need fresh air even at night. You check to see if there's any leaks by sealing the closet up with lights on inside it and then with the rest of the room dark check for any pinhole leaks. If light's coming out anywhere it sure as hell will be getting in with the lights off and light leaks not only cause hermes but also greatly decrease yields. Cannabis will see even the tiniest light leak so you have to be pretty dilegent here. Kinddiesel's right about the nighttime temp not dropping below 60F I try to keep the lights on temp 85F or below and anything above 90F is asking for trouble.


The key here is dilegence a little hard work and attention to detail will go a long way and if you're gonna do something you should do it right and not hold back. Good luck

wllbuckhunter said:

OK, I had three plants growing in a closet grow and about half way thru flowering they went hermie on me and produced a lot seeds. It was during winter and I had a lot of trouble trying to keep the temp and humidity in check and I believe thats what stressed them out causing them to go hermie. My question is what ya think and what about the seeds that the plants produced, can I use them or will they just turn into hermiies also. Hopefully someone can give me some insight about this, thanks guys.

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Although it is true that plants that hermie may produce seeds that will have a higher rate of herming, it's not like every seed will herm on you. You'd be fine to use those seeds, just pay close attention for any signs of them mutating or herming and you'll be fine. To be honest, as a novice, if I were in your shoes I would find a nice area and just go spread your seeds like crazy man. Leave em be and see what happens. Good luck man!

kinddiesel said:

dude you have a light leak during thare night , or your not useing timers, or very bad gentics of the plants, a few seeds pick them out a lot of seeds make oil or brownies, the temp can go from 60 at thare night and 85 pushing 90 thare day. humidy flower 35 to 60

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You Mention Light Leak Hermied the Plants? BuB then you start talking outside Temps and Humies. But let me ask you this, if a plant is outside, does it not get light from the Moon+Stars? So how would a light leak inside cause Hermies, when Cannabis has been growing outside for Millenniums.

You wouldn't have the genetics you have right now if it wasn't for Mother Nature

stevegrows said:

Although it is true that plants that hermie may produce seeds that will have a higher rate of herming, it's not like every seed will herm on you. You'd be fine to use those seeds, just pay close attention for any signs of them mutating or herming and you'll be fine. To be honest, as a novice, if I were in your shoes I would find a nice area and just go spread your seeds like crazy man. Leave em be and see what happens. Good luck man!

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I agree I wasn't implying that they would all be hermie's but they will have unstable genetics and have a high rate of hermaphroditism. If you're just growing willy nilly than go for it but I wouldn't want to include them in my genetic pool or mix them with any of my strains. But if you're a newb and have a place to do it and time to kill go for it I wouldn't be wasting money and electricity doing a indoor grow with those seeds though.

Fenian Brotherhood said:

You Mention Light Leak Hermied the Plants? BuB then you start talking outside Temps and Humies. But let me ask you this, if a plant is outside, does it not get light from the Moon+Stars? So how would a light leak inside cause Hermies, when Cannabis has been growing outside for Millenniums.

You wouldn't have the genetics you have right now if it wasn't for Mother Nature

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This is true but strong full moon light does slow down flowering in nature and there have been reports of this indeed hapening. Plus reflected moonlight is nowhere near as intense as artificial light leaking in. And according to the experts the difference in being 99.9% lightproof and 100% lightproof can equate to a 30% increase in yield.

I'm all about mother nature brother but the best genetics we have nowadays are a result of selective breeding of various phenotypes by humans.

jin420 said:

This is true but strong full moon light does slow down flowering in nature and there have been reports of this indeed hapening. Plus reflected moonlight is nowhere near as intense as artificial light leaking in. And according to the experts the difference in being 99.9% lightproof and 100% lightproof can equate to a 30% increase in yield.

I'm all about mother nature brother but the best genetics we have nowadays are a result of selective breeding of various phenotypes by humans.

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Everythin but the slowing down flowering part I agree with. Generally, the Moon reflects the light the Sun gives, so it has to travel to the moon, reflect off and then come down on us. Were talking less then .001 Lumens Per Sqft. Now, I've been told not only it helps the plant, but it makes it more potent(using a 1w LED light in flowering) people actually do this hah. But, artificial Light does Win Against the Moon. Correct!

Some who have studied this have said this I don't have first hand expirence since I only grow indoors but other people have observed this. Robert Connell Clarke wrote a book about marijuana botany in which he talks about this effect. Here's a link to a forum where some dudes are talking about it https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/7458-does-moon-light-affect-the-plants-in-the-night-cycle/. But like I said I have no first hand knowledge just what I've heard. But even soft artificial leaks are a big deal and should be eliminated if at all possible. That's the first time I've heard of people using 1W LED's during the dark period.

Here's another link where someone apparently posted one of his books or a condensed version of one I'm not totally sure.https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/17259-marijuana-botany-robert-connell-clarke/. It's towards the bottom but there is a chapter discussing how the moon cycle can delay flowering in certain circumstances by a week. But like I said I've never grown outdoors I don't live in a cannabis friendly state but hopefully I will be able to move to washington in a couple years.

wllbuckhunter said:

OK, I had three plants growing in a closet grow and about half way thru flowering they went hermie on me and produced a lot seeds. It was during winter and I had a lot of trouble trying to keep the temp and humidity in check and I believe thats what stressed them out causing them to go hermie. My question is what ya think and what about the seeds that the plants produced, can I use them or will they just turn into hermiies also. Hopefully someone can give me some insight about this, thanks guys.

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Bud, you've got a big chance that they're all gona be hermies, but hey you won't know till ya try, stick 1 of those puppies in the ground and find out...good luck

If they hermied from stress I would LOVE to have them.. heck, that is HOW I create my seed stock.. you won't have any problems with hermies from them likely if they were created from simple stress..

If they are hermied because they are some genetic mutations in the first place, then they will be no better than the first run.

Thanks everyone for ur input, like I said I believe it was from stress because of temps getting in the low 40s and low fifties and humidity in the 80s and 90s. I've got a buddy that grows outdoors so, he's going to check them out and see what happens. I'll let ya know what they turn out to be.
thanks again everybody

333maxwell said:

If they hermied from stress I would LOVE to have them.. heck, that is HOW I create my seed stock.. you won't have any problems with hermies from them likely if they were created from simple stress.. If they are hermied because they are some genetic mutations in the first place, then they will be no better than the first run.

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Dude I don't know you're talking about it. It's true that some people have meticulous methods where by they make feminized seeds. It's not as simple as just willy nilly stressing a plant into fertilizing itself though there's a lot of selection and bs you gotta go through to make true feminized seeds.

jin420 said:

Dude I don't know you're talking about it. It's true that some people have meticulous methods where by they make feminized seeds. It's not as simple as just willy nilly stressing a plant into fertilizing itself though there's a lot of selection and bs you gotta go through to make true feminized seeds.

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No, it seems you don't know what I am talking about. By all means, create your own narrative.. *S*

I never said a thing about feminized seed.. and yes, you stress a plant into hermie, she produces seeds, I've done it dozens and doezens of times.

Now that you mention it, they are almost always exclusively female.. which really is a pity..


Cheers.

Fenian Brotherhood said:

You Mention Light Leak Hermied the Plants? BuB then you start talking outside Temps and Humies. But let me ask you this, if a plant is outside, does it not get light from the Moon+Stars? So how would a light leak inside cause Hermies, when Cannabis has been growing outside for Millenniums.

You wouldn't have the genetics you have right now if it wasn't for Mother Nature

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Full moonlight at most is 1.3lux, that's full moon, no clouds... herein lies the difference.

333maxwell said:

No, it seems you don't know what I am talking about. By all means, create your own narrative.. *S*

I never said a thing about feminized seed.. and yes, you stress a plant into hermie, she produces seeds, I've done it dozens and doezens of times.

Now that you mention it, they are almost always exclusively female.. which really is a pity..

Cheers.

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I'm not trying to create a narrative here I just don't want people wasting they're time with bad advice. If a plant self pollinates IT WILL have a very high ratio of hermes seeds. If a different female plant sitting next to it receives pollen from the herme plant but does not become hermes herself it will produce mostly female seeds. You have to draw that distinction otherwise you're giving out bad advice.

You can only do this a limited number of times before the genetic code of the plant breaks down too probably a couple generations max. You would still need to reintroduce male genetics to stabalize the strain.