What size pot should I move to from 4in pot ?

Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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southbayLA154 said:
what if the roots are already hitting the bottom of the pots , should I still let them go about a week in those 4inch ? What size should I go to when time comes? Maybe just go with the 1 gallon then
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Roots always hit the bottom of pots
Root bound is almost nonexistent
I have fifteen inch plants in beer cups
Just wait till you get a real nice root ball
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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Call me crazy. I would have transplanted out of that pot a week or two ago and into a 1gallon. I watched a video recently about some smart old guy talking about root structure and he said that when a plants roots get formed/start to coil and wrap around the bottom of a pot that the roots PERMANENTLY stay that way. It is very hard for them to space out and grow as they would have if not being "pot bound" for so long. This was the guy who invented his own version of the air pot.

Found the video:

Kinda boring and bland but gets the point across.

This was a plant that I had in a 4" nursery pot for about a week. You can already see the wrap and coil starting to happen.

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My plants have started off in 4" starter pots, within a week moved to .5 gallon pots, and then within a week and a half or so moved to 5 gallon pots. I am now having to water every day.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Shaded420 said:
Call me crazy. I would have transplanted out of that pot a week or two ago and into a 1gallon. I watched a video recently about some smart old guy talking about root structure and he said that when a plants roots get formed/start to coil and wrap around the bottom of a pot that the roots PERMANENTLY stay that way. It is very hard for them to space out and grow as they would have if not being "pot bound" for so long. This was the guy who invented his own version of the air pot.

Found the video:

Kinda boring and bland but gets the point across.

This was a plant that I had in a 4" nursery pot for about a week. You can already see the wrap and coil starting to happen.

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My plants have started off in 4" starter pots, within a week moved to .5 gallon pots, and then within a week and a half or so moved to 5 gallon pots. I am now having to water every day.
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Nearly every nursery expert would disagree
Google teasing roots to transplant
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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Herb & Suds said:
Nearly every nursery expert would disagree
Google teasing roots to transplant
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I have seen/read about root teasing. I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand I feel like touching your roots at all is a bad thing, and on the other hand I haven't had enough time to try or compare methods myself. Definitely worth more research and trial runs :)
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Shaded420 said:
I have seen/read about root teasing. I'm not sure how I feel about it. On one hand I feel like touching your roots at all is a bad thing, and on the other hand I haven't had enough time to try or compare methods myself. Definitely worth more research and trial runs :)
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Well I chop mine with a machete
Never had an issue
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Just break the roots up some. I do it all the time. I treat cannabis plants just like I do with starts I put out in the garden. If the roots are too rootbound I break them up sometimes tearing of some. I never experience any transplant shock.

As for root size you don't need a ton of roots to grow big plants. The roots are used to take in nutrients and water. If you provide that properly a small root mass can support a very large plant. I've already posted photos as proof.
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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xtsho said:
Just break the roots up some. I do it all the time. I treat cannabis plants just like I do with starts I put out in the garden. If the roots are too rootbound I break them up sometimes tearing of some. I never experience any transplant shock.

As for root size you don't need a ton of roots to grow big plants. The roots are used to take in nutrients and water. If you provide that properly a small root mass can support a very large plant. I've already posted photos as proof.
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So having a larger soil mass just provides more of a buffer for you to provide sustenance? I've always understood that pot sizes controlled plant size to a certain degree as well no?

Surely two plants given the same environment one in a solo cup one in a 5 gallon pot - the 5 gallon pot plant would be larger?
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Shaded420 said:
So having a larger soil mass just provides more of a buffer for you to provide sustenance? I've always understood that pot sizes controlled plant size to a certain degree as well no?

Surely two plants given the same environment one in a solo cup one in a 5 gallon pot - the 5 gallon pot plant would be larger?
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It's tricky growing in small pots and most won't be able to pull it off.


In a 1.75 liter pot before I transplanted to a 3 gallon pot. The plant was around 7 ft tall. Most people wouldn't be able to keep the plant healthy so a 5 gallon would be better. But I can grow larger healthy plants in a 1 gallon pot than many can grow in a 5 gallon. But I've been growing in small pots for years. I don't recommend it unless you know what you're doing. It's best for most to just stick with the traditional pot sizes.


 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Shaded420 said:
So having a larger soil mass just provides more of a buffer for you to provide sustenance? I've always understood that pot sizes controlled plant size to a certain degree as well no?

Surely two plants given the same environment one in a solo cup one in a 5 gallon pot - the 5 gallon pot plant would be larger?
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Not exactly I have gotten anywhere from 1.25 to 4 ounces in a three gallon with minimum veg and done the same in a five although fives typically stay on the high end
The larger pots make watering better
But the real addition in weight comes from longer veg times
 
Shaded420

Shaded420

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Herb & Suds said:
Not exactly I have gotten anywhere from 1.25 to 4 ounces in a three gallon with minimum veg and done the same in a five although fives typically stay on the high end
The larger pots make watering better
But the real addition in weight comes from longer veg times
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Yeah I'm noticing that this round as well. First time using 5 gallons and for about a week the top growth was pretty stagnant. But holy they've started to take off now that root ball is filling out :eek:
 
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Pimpjuice9906

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Shaded420 said:
Call me crazy. I would have transplanted out of that pot a week or two ago and into a 1gallon. I watched a video recently about some smart old guy talking about root structure and he said that when a plants roots get formed/start to coil and wrap around the bottom of a pot that the roots PERMANENTLY stay that way. It is very hard for them to space out and grow as they would have if not being "pot bound" for so long. This was the guy who invented his own version of the air pot.

Found the video:

Kinda boring and bland but gets the point across.

This was a plant that I had in a 4" nursery pot for about a week. You can already see the wrap and coil starting to happen.

View attachment 5083743

My plants have started off in 4" starter pots, within a week moved to .5 gallon pots, and then within a week and a half or so moved to 5 gallon pots. I am now having to water every day.
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Why not start an auto in a 5 gallon to start?
 
PadawanWarrior

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xtsho said:
Just break the roots up some. I do it all the time. I treat cannabis plants just like I do with starts I put out in the garden. If the roots are too rootbound I break them up sometimes tearing of some. I never experience any transplant shock.

As for root size you don't need a ton of roots to grow big plants. The roots are used to take in nutrients and water. If you provide that properly a small root mass can support a very large plant. I've already posted photos as proof.
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You use salts though correct?
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Shaded420 said:
So having a larger soil mass just provides more of a buffer for you to provide sustenance? I've always understood that pot sizes controlled plant size to a certain degree as well no?

Surely two plants given the same environment one in a solo cup one in a 5 gallon pot - the 5 gallon pot plant would be larger?
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If you're growing organically definitely the bigger pot is gonna kick the little ones ass. I'm in organic soil and I prefer to start in the bigger pots as soon as possible. I take little clones and put them straight in 15 gal pots.

5 weeks ago I got 4 clones and put 2 in 1/2 gal FFHF, and 2 straight to the 15's. It's crazy the difference after 4 weeks. I think I posted pics here somewhere.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Shaded420 said:
Yeah I'm noticing that this round as well. First time using 5 gallons and for about a week the top growth was pretty stagnant. But holy they've started to take off now that root ball is filling out :eek:
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Ya, when you start them in bigger pots it doesn't look like they're growing much at first because they're concentrating on growing roots. But once the roots hit the sides of the bigger pot the shit takes off.
 
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