Where can you find reliable & UNBIASED information about LED lighting?

Fatleg77 said:

That's like saying a Ferrari is a piece of shit because you can't afford one.

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Just saying that it's VERY possible to produce a fixture that matches or surpasses the performance of that Ferrari for a whole bunch less coin.

Fatleg77 said:

That's like saying a Ferrari is a piece of shit because you can't afford one.

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Sometimes your paying a premium for a name tag when there is better value in the marketplace for the result you want.

You own the product so you have a vested interest in it. Its always hard to see the other side when you are already invested.

Fatleg77 said:

If it's value you seek then the light is cheap...I'm still struggling to see why someone would hate on it. They have more evidence and available information to back their product than any other Led light company hands down. Their R/D is nothing short of amazing. I did at least 50 hours of research and reading before I finally struggled to let go of enough money to buy the light but it's an incredible product no mater what you think of the price. That's like saying a Ferrari is a piece of shit because you can't afford one.

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Not sure why you think $1800 for a 750w led is cheap and from what I have seen online people are pulling less than a gram per watt.

What are you pulling from yours?

What R and D, they are using the same tech that the Chinese have been pumping out for years and using the same spiel, they even claim that COBs are inferior because they don't use lenses which diminishes the light? They claim efficiency doesn't matter. Because their numbers are embarrassing.
They wont even disclose what diodes are used "because its not in their best interest" meaning if they did tell us we would know how cheap they are and how much they mark up their lights.
Everything they say on their website is just vague or made up opinion.

They are the most expensive LED on the market yet average performance so why wouldn't people slate them.
Just because a light grows weed doesn't make it worth the money they are charging.

Again, show us what you have done with yours, what are you pulling out of what space?

Their 200W grow light goes for:
~550$

With that much you could buy:
1 x 600W HLG power supply (~170$)
25 x 2ft bridgelux eb strips (~230$)
Tools & Wires & Conectors (~100$)
Total = ~500

This is already better technology than 95% of the current market.. But of course this requires some DIY knowledge.. And that's just DIY, you can buy some prebuilt but very high end options for a similar or lower price too.

eyderbuddy said:

Their 200W grow light goes for:
~550$

With that much you could buy:
1 x 600W HLG power supply (~170$)
25 x 2ft bridgelux eb strips (~230$)
Tools & Wires & Conectors (~100$)
Total = ~500

This is already better technology than 95% of the current market.. But of course this requires some DIY knowledge.. And that's just DIY, you can buy some prebuilt but very high end options for a similar or lower price too.

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Some people are afraid to jump into the DIY world, but this is a prime example of how businesses take advantage of that. If you're afraid to pop the case open to see the guts, they can get away with putting anything in there. The internet has so many diy projects on grow gear, and has really changed the landscape for who can afford high-tech growing.

Really, if you can watch a video on YouTube, you are already half way to saving a bunch of money!

Well i hope you got some insight for lighting. I can tell you from experience. I bought a 600 watt no name chinese led. It has red blue orange leds plus 2 ir and 2 uv chips. They are epilids 2x5 watt per. Here is my current kush grow. Lush and healthy. Height to light is the main factor. I dont get the yeild you would on hps but its cool running. requires no worry or maintenance. All u need is a fan for air. I crack the door and let them breathe when lights on. So no other equipment needed. If u use good supersoil you dont even have to fertilize but a bit is cool for hungry plants. I can post a pic of my setup if u like. I can only show you and tell you of my experience. Here is a couple pics of kush..... And a loaf of garlic bread for the munchies. Happy growing.

coocooforkush said:

Well i hope you got some insight for lighting. I can tell you from experience. I bought a 600 watt no name chinese led. It has red blue orange leds plus 2 ir and 2 uv chips. They are epilids 2x5 watt per. Here is my current kush grow. Lush and healthy. Height to light is the main factor. I dont get the yeild you would on hps but its cool running. requires no worry or maintenance. All u need is a fan for air. I crack the door and let them breathe when lights on. So no other equipment needed. If u use good supersoil you dont even have to fertilize but a bit is cool for hungry plants. I can post a pic of my setup if u like. I can only show you and tell you of my experience. Here is a couple pics of kush..... And a loaf of garlic bread for the munchies. Happy growing.

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nice looking plants, when does the monkey want his toes back?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

nice looking plants, when does the monkey want his toes back?

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Lol!! I noticed that after i posted. Good thing i wasnt wearing nail polish. Cheers

JSB99 said:

Same dog right before trying meth

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not ever.. not even once! hahahaha

Fatleg77 said:

If it's value you seek then the light is cheap...I'm still struggling to see why someone would hate on it. They have more evidence and available information to back their product than any other Led light company hands down. Their R/D is nothing short of amazing. I did at least 50 hours of research and reading before I finally struggled to let go of enough money to buy the light but it's an incredible product no mater what you think of the price. That's like saying a Ferrari is a piece of shit because you can't afford one.

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"True 1050 Watts / 1602 μMol/s" How is that a good value?
As others have said, the good stuff is Samsung and Bridgelux strips, Quantum Boards or COBs!

Fatleg77 said:

If it's value you seek then the light is cheap...I'm still struggling to see why someone would hate on it. They have more evidence and available information to back their product than any other Led light company hands down. Their R/D is nothing short of amazing. I did at least 50 hours of research and reading before I finally struggled to let go of enough money to buy the light but it's an incredible product no mater what you think of the price. That's like saying a Ferrari is a piece of shit because you can't afford one.

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Unfortunately, it's more like paying Ferrari prices for a shitty little Eurobox like the Ford Fiesta, for you can get much better for less.