Will a brighter LED light improve the frostiness of the bud?

jimihendrix1 said:

I read years ago they experimented by taking a highland Columbian strain, and brought it down to sea level, and you couldnt even tell it was the same plant!!!!!

Also, im only using 5 x 5 out of the 45 x 45.

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Heh, I'll trade you 5' x 5' for 2' x 4'!

jimihendrix1 said:

If memory serves, last grow, at the highest, EC was 2.1-1100-1150ppm in the water. dont know what runoff was, though they were healthy all the way through.

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Thanks for that info.

I don't use "legacy light levels" but I kept fairly close to "legacy nutrient levels" with 0.6 and 0.8 in veg then 1.2 and 1.8 in flower. One of the impacts was that my plants weren't getting to 1kµmol until day 35±. After working with chatGPT to improve my grow processes, I'll be increasing my EC levels to pretty much the levels recommended by the manufacturer (Jacks 3-2-1).

jimihendrix1 said:

I have 2 box fans on high. On one side of the space I have one Box Fan up in the air, blowing between the canopy, and the bulb. The other is located in a window on the other side of the space. And also an open window 30 feet behind Box Fan #1, and a roof vent, not far off.
Temps vary at the hottest. 88f, if 100f+ outside. Most consistant temps daytime are about 84f. At night they go down to 77f-80f. This is in veg. I flower at night and temps vary 77f-84f. Average is probably closest to 80f.
Ive also had Artificial Intel, figure out how long, and what height to deliver 1.81w sq/m of uva/b, using 2 Solacure 32w Flower Power 4ft bulbs.

The latest study, 2024-published jan 1 2025 on UV/B came from Berlin, and they used several different intensities ect, of UVA/B
They determined that 1.81w sq/m, is the best way to supply uva/b, to marijuana using artificial lighting, and not affect yield, or do great plant damage.
AI determined that 2x 32w Solacure Bulbs, at 24 inches above canopy, need to only be run-17 minutes, MAX- to deliver 1.81w-sq/m, over my 5 x 5 area.

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How is that working out?

jimihendrix1 said:

As Ive said before.
Really, the first thing I try and establish, before I even start, is adequate fresh air exchange. I have made this priority one, for 40 years. All bets are off , on the use of high umol, if ya aint got no fresh air exchange. It is my first challenge to a grow room.

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No argument from me. I run 1 change per minute, have an oscillating fan running across the top, and a couple of USB fans on the top of the res facing up. The fans on the plant are running just enough to keep the air moving.

Delps8 said:

Heh, I'll trade you 5' x 5' for 2' x 4'!


Thanks for that info.

I don't use "legacy light levels" but I kept fairly close to "legacy nutrient levels" with 0.6 and 0.8 in veg then 1.2 and 1.8 in flower. One of the impacts was that my plants weren't getting to 1kµmol until day 35±. After working with chatGPT to improve my grow processes, I'll be increasing my EC levels to pretty much the levels recommended by the manufacturer (Jacks 3-2-1) o.


How is that working out?


No argument from me. I run 1 change per minute, have an oscillating fan running across the top, and a couple of USB fans on the top of the res facing up. The fans on the plant are running just enough to keep the air moving.

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I'll be increasing my EC levels to pretty much the levels recommended by the manufacturer (Jacks 3-2-1)

What's the manufacturer recommendation?

Hollatchaboy said:

I'll be increasing my EC levels to pretty much the levels recommended by the manufacturer (Jacks 3-2-1)

What's the manufacturer recommendation?

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Starts at 1.1 for seedling, 2.2 veg and flower, 2.1 late flower.

That's a very fast ramp but the goal is to provide the chemicals required by high PPFD. I've been ramping PPFD but been going old school on EC a la "give em ½ what the companies recommend because they want you to use a lot of nutes". My thinking is that 0.8 EC wasn't enough to get the most out of plants that are at 1k in veg so I'm going to see how things work out by moving toward the high end ("luxury consumption").

I'm going to try out their Clone formula, which is EC 1.1.

Im organic. This is the schedule Im going to try and adapt. Artificial Intel actually put it together with the components I picked to use, and some suggestions from AI. And my growing atmosphere.
Ai can be wrong, but, its a scary powerful source of instant, deep information. Fkn thing is no doubt genius in math.

In general a container will hold 45.5% of stated container size when using Peat Based Medium, and often containers are bigger than stated size. Best to measure cu/in of the container and then divide by 231. I bougtht some 10 gallon grow bags. Vivosun, and they are actually 13.9 gallons, which means they will hold roughly 6.1 gallons Promix BX, though, considering container will not be completely filled to the top, it will be a bit under 6 gallons ime. Dont have it exact there.
But if it was 10 gallons, it would hold 4.5 gallons medium, vs the container will hold 1.4 gallons more at say 5.9 gallons after slight underfill compensation.

• base mix includes:
  • Oyster shell flour (for long-term calcium and pH buffering)
  • Gaia Green 4-4-4 and 2-8-4 (balanced and bloom-phase nutrients)
  • Mycos Supreme (mycorrhizal fungi)
  • Gypsum (calcium and sulfur)
  • Epsom salts (magnesium and sulfur)
  • Kelp meal + liquid kelp (micronutrients and growth hormones)
  • Liquid worm castings (microbial inoculant and humic/fulvic acids)
  • Unsulphured blackstrap molasses (microbe food)
  And your top dress schedule is:
  • Every 2 weeks:
    • Azomite – 1 tsp per gallon of medium
    • Gypsum – 1 tbsp
    • Epsom salts – 1 tbsp
  • Weekly:
    • Compost tea
  
  

  Should You Mix Top Dress with Compost Tea?​

  Since you're not top dressing oyster shell flour, and your mineral inputs are moderate, you can mix some of the top dress into the compost tea—but not all at once.
  Here’s how to do it safely:
  

  Recommended Blend Strategy​

  • In the tea brew:
    • Add ½ dose of gypsum and Epsom salts
    • Add Azomite at full dose (1 tsp/gal is mild)
    • Add molasses, liquid kelp, and worm castings as usual
  • Top dress the remaining gypsum and Epsom salts dry
    • This gives a slower release and avoids shocking the microbes

  Why This Works​

  • Azomite is slow-release and won’t spike EC
  • Gypsum and Epsom salts are soluble, so partial inclusion in tea helps distribute them
  • Compost tea microbes will help buffer any mineral stress
  
  Would you like a printable weekly calendar with this schedule laid out? I can build it with checkboxes and notes for each input.
  Yes basically. I need 2 mixes. One for Veg, and the other for flowering, and microbe feeding as the cook.
  
  Thanks for confirming your inputs—this is shaping up to be a beautifully dialed-in organic regimen. Let’s break it into two tailored mixes: one for vegetative growth, and one for flowering, with microbial feeding during the cooking phase.
  
  

  Veg Mix (Base + Microbe Cook)​

  Base Mix per 40-gallon container-About 19 actual Gallons if Medium​

  • ProMix BX (~19 gallons)
  • Oyster shell flour (calcium + pH buffer)
  • Gaia Green 4-4-4
  • Mycos Supreme (mycorrhizae)
  • Gypsum – 1 tbsp/gal
  • Epsom salts – 1 tbsp/gal
  • Kelp meal
  • Azomite – 1 tsp/gal
  • Liquid worm castings
  • Humic/Fulvic acid

  Microbial Cooking Phase (3–4 weeks)​

  • Keep moist, aerated
  • Weekly compost tea:
    • Worm castings
    • Molasses
    • Liquid kelp
    • Optional: Aloe vera or coconut water
  • Optional: Cover with mulch to retain moisture
  
  

  Flower Mix (Top Dress + Microbe Boost)​

  Top Dress Every 2 Weeks​

  • Gaia Green 2-8-4
  • Azomite – 1 tsp/gal
  • Gypsum – 1 tbsp/gal
  • Epsom salts – 1 tbsp/gal

  Weekly Compost Tea​

  • Same base as veg tea
  • Add bloom enhancers:
    • Liquid kelp
    • Molasses
    • Fulvic acid
    • Optional: Bat guano or seabird guano (low dose)
  
  

  Integration Tips​

  • You can mix half of your top dress minerals into the compost tea brew for faster uptake.
  • Always monitor plant response—especially leaf tips and color—to avoid overloading.
  • Keep mulch layer active to support microbial life and buffer nutrient release.
  
  Would you like me to format this into a printable week-by-week calendar or checklist? I can include feeding days, tea recipes, and amendment notes.
  I would veg, in 13.9 gallon containers, that hold about 6 gallons medium
  
  Got it—you're vegging in 13.9-gallon containers, each holding about 6 gallons of medium. That changes the scale but not the core principles of your mix. Let’s tailor both your Veg Mix and Flower Mix to this container size, and include microbial feeding during the cook.
  
  

  Veg Mix (13.9-gallon container, ~6 gal medium)​

  Base Mix per container​

  • ProMix BX – 6 gallons
  • Gaia Green 4-4-4 – ~6 tbsp
  • Oyster shell flour – ~3 tbsp
  • Mycos Supreme – 1 tsp
  • Gypsum – 6 tbsp
  • Epsom salts – 6 tbsp
  • Kelp meal – 2 tbsp
  • Azomite – 6 tsp
  • Liquid worm castings – ½ cup
  • Humic/Fulvic acid – per label rate

  Microbial Cooking Phase (3–4 weeks)​

  • Keep moist and aerated
  • Weekly compost tea:
    • 1 cup worm castings
    • 1 tbsp molasses
    • 1 tbsp liquid kelp
    • Optional: 1 tbsp aloe vera or coconut water
  
  

  Flower Mix (Top Dress + Microbe Boost)​

  Top Dress Every 2 Weeks​

  • Gaia Green 2-8-4 – ~6 tbsp
  • Azomite – 1 tsp/gal → 6 tsp
  • Gypsum – 1 tbsp/gal → 6 tbsp
  • Epsom salts – 1 tbsp/gal → 6 tbsp

  Weekly Compost Tea​

  • Same base as veg tea
  • Add bloom enhancers:
    • Liquid kelp
    • Molasses
    • Fulvic acid
    • Optional: low-dose guano
  
  

  Integration Tip​

  You can mix half of your top dress minerals into the compost tea brew for faster uptake, and apply the rest dry. This keeps microbial activity high without overwhelming the root zone.
  
  Would you like this formatted into a printable weekly calendar or checklist? I can include feeding days, tea recipes, and amendment notes tailored to your container size.
  Transplant into 40 gallon containers 1 week before flowering
  
  Thanks for the update—so your plan is:
  • Veg in 13.9-gallon containers with ~6 gallons of medium
  • Transplant into 40-gallon containers one week before flowering
  That’s a smart move. It gives the plants time to settle into their final root zone before the stretch begins, and lets the flowering amendments activate right on schedule.
  
  

  Transplant Strategy: One Week Before Flower​

  Why It Works​

  • Gives roots time to expand into fresh medium
  • Avoids transplant shock during early flower
  • Lets microbes and nutrients stabilize before bloom onset

  What to Do at Transplant​

  • Use your flower-phase mix in the 40-gallon container:
    • Gaia Green 2-8-4
    • Gypsum, Epsom salts, Azomite
    • Oyster shell flour (already in base)
    • Mycos Supreme at transplant site
  • Water in with a light compost tea to inoculate microbes
  • Keep soil evenly moist, not saturated
  
  Would you like a full transplant checklist and a week-by-week calendar starting from veg through flower? I can build it around your exact container sizes and amendment schedule.
  yes, thats what i deduced
  
  Thanks for your patience. Based on everything you've laid out, here’s a week-by-week transplant and feeding calendar tailored to your setup:
  
  

  Week-by-Week Calendar: Veg → Transplant → Flower​

  Veg Phase (13.9-gallon containers, ~6 gal medium)​

  Week	Task	Inputs
  Week 1	Mix base soil & begin cooking	Gaia Green 4-4-4, oyster shell flour, gypsum, Epsom salts, Azomite, Mycos Supreme, kelp meal, worm castings, humic/fulvic
  Week 2	Microbial feeding	Compost tea: worm castings, molasses, liquid kelp
  Week 3	Microbial feeding	Same tea + optional aloe vera or coconut water
  Week 4	Top dress	Gaia Green 4-4-4, Azomite (6 tsp), gypsum (6 tbsp), Epsom salts (6 tbsp)
  Week 5	Microbial feeding	Compost tea
  Week 6	Final veg week	Light compost tea + transplant prep

  
  
  

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Transplant Week (into 40-gallon containers)​

Flower Phase (40-gallon containers)​

Would you like this formatted into a printable checklist or calendar grid with notes and checkboxes? I can also add space for observations like leaf color, stretch, or aroma.
i will be using liquid worm castings only

Thanks for the clarification—so you're using liquid worm castings only, not solid castings in your compost tea or base mix. That’s a great choice for microbial inoculation and nutrient availability, especially when paired with humic/fulvic acids and molasses.
Here’s how that affects your plan:

Compost Tea with Liquid Worm Castings​

Weekly Brew (Veg & Flower)​

• Liquid worm castings – 2–4 oz per gallon of water
• Unsulphured blackstrap molasses – 1 tbsp/gal
• Liquid kelp – 1 tbsp/gal
• Humic/Fulvic acid – per label rate
• Optional: Aloe vera or coconut water (veg), bloom boosters (flower)

Brew Time: 12–24 hours with aeration Application: Drench or foliar once per week

Adjustments to Your Feeding Calendar​

• No need to source or brew solid worm castings
• Liquid castings simplify your tea and reduce sediment
• Still provides microbial life and soluble nutrients

Updated Compost Tea Recipe (Veg & Flower)​

• Liquid worm castings – 2–4 oz/gal
• Liquid kelp (with humic/fulvic acids) – 1 tbsp/gal
• Unsulphured blackstrap molasses – 1 tbsp/gal
• Optional:
  • Aloe vera or coconut water (veg phase)
  • Bloom boosters (flower phase)

Brew Time: 12–24 hours with aeration Application: Weekly root drench or foliar spray

Would you like me to now generate a printable week-by-week calendar with this updated tea recipe, your veg and flower mixes, and transplant timing? I can format it with checkboxes and notes for easy tracking.
you didnt specify tblsp/tsp per gallon on most of the above chart

Thanks for pointing that out. Let’s go back and specify exact measurements per gallon of medium for your setup. Since your veg containers hold ~6 gallons of medium, and your flower containers hold ~40 gallons, I’ll break it down accordingly.

Veg Mix (13.9-gallon containers, ~6 gal medium)​

Base Mix (per container)​

• Gaia Green 4-4-4 – 6 tbsp
• Oyster shell flour – 3 tbsp
• Gypsum – 6 tbsp
• Epsom salts – 6 tbsp
• Azomite – 6 tsp
• Kelp meal – 2 tbsp
• Mycos Supreme – 1 tsp
• Liquid worm castings – ½ cup
• Liquid kelp (with humic/fulvic) – per label rate

Flower Mix (40-gallon containers, ~19 gal medium)​

Top Dress Every 2 Weeks​

• Gaia Green 2-8-4 – 19 tbsp
• Gypsum – 19 tbsp
• Epsom salts – 19 tbsp
• Azomite – 19 tsp

Compost Tea (Weekly, Veg & Flower)​

Per Gallon of Water​

• Liquid worm castings – 2–4 oz
• Liquid kelp (with humic/fulvic) – 1 tbsp
• Unsulphured blackstrap molasses – 1 tbsp
• Optional:
  • Aloe vera or coconut water (veg)
  • Bloom boosters (flower)

Would you like this formatted into a printable calendar or checklist with feeding days and transplant timing? I can include space for notes and observations too.

flowering container is 40 gallon, but holds about 19

Thanks for the correction—your flowering containers are 40 gallons in size, but they hold about 19 gallons of medium. That changes the amendment quantities significantly, so let’s revise everything accordingly.

Flower Mix (for 19 gallons of medium)​

Top Dress Every 2 Weeks​

• Gaia Green 2-8-4 – 19 tbsp
• Gypsum – 19 tbsp
• Epsom salts – 19 tbsp
• Azomite – 19 tsp

Compost Tea (Weekly, Veg & Flower)​

Per Gallon of Water​

• Liquid worm castings – 2–4 oz
• Liquid kelp (with humic/fulvic acids) – 1 tbsp
• Unsulphured blackstrap molasses – 1 tbsp
• Optional:
  • Aloe vera or coconut water (veg)
  • Bloom boosters (flower)

jimihendrix1 said:

Im organic. This is the schedule Im going to try and adapt. Artificial Intel actually put it together with the components I picked to use, and some suggestions from AI. And my growing atmosphere.

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That's excellent. It lists everything out. Superb use for AI.

jimihendrix1 said:

Ai can be wrong, but, its a scary powerful source of instant, deep information. Fkn thing is no doubt genius in math.

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I've been using chatGPT for a few weeks and found it very helpful. It does draw on a variety of sources which is both an advantage and a disadvantage. That's why I ask for citations and then check the cites.

Re. doing the math—it's very handy for that, no question about it but make sure to check it over. I've seen GPT make basic errors.

It's also helpful when analyzing photos of cannabis plants that have nutrient imbalances.

What is yall take on how different phenos/strains have different light saturation points? Interesting crash course with AI never heard of that. Yup Im one of those growers who uses AI and thinks he knows everything now lol. Just kiddin its really a cool tool. Its like talking with one of yall almost.

To read the leaf surface temp, maybe my ks3000 isnt heating them up the same, influencing ability to receive similar ppfd.

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What is yall take on how different phenos/strains have different light saturation points? Interesting crash course with AI never heard of that. Yup Im one of those growers who uses AI and thinks he knows everything now lol. Just kiddin its really a cool tool. Its like talking with one of yall almost.

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Agreed.

I've found AI to be helpful but am careful to ask for citations and then read the cites. I started out used Grok and chatGPT but have settled on GPT.

A new version of GPT came out this week and one of the features was "80% less[sic] hallucinations". GPT does make mistakes and it has given me citations that were invalid but it will only get better and more useful.

I been using google deep ai its not as good as chat gpt on a good day but its consistent. Where chat gpt can be basically broken to me to where I feel like Im better off doing the old classic research. I should still do that, I heard newer generations of kids are just lacking that skill more and more due to ai.

medidedicated said:

I been using google deep ai its not as good as chat gpt on a good day but its consistent. Where chat gpt can be basically broken to me to where I feel like Im better off doing the old classic research. I should still do that, I heard newer generations of kids are just lacking that skill more and more due to ai.

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Hah! "I when I was a lad…"

"I been using google deep ai its not as good as chat gpt on a good day but its consistent."— I get the idea that's the key-to understand how a particular bot "thinks" and then work with it.