bodhi seeds

[Mad Hamish]

I mean this bitch is 6 feet tall, grown from seed, with just really odd bud formation, sativa-ish...Not a ton of smell on it yet, it probably has about a month left in flowering...When you said Lucky Charms didn't stretch did you do any topping/fim'ing in veg before flower? How long did you veg for? These three phenos I have all started from seed with two months vegging, and then into flower. They are in 3 gallon pots of ffof/happy frog. I thought most of Bodhi's seeds generally leaned on the sativa side so to speak---No?

I am with Pie here. A 3gal pot will hold a Bodhi plant's root mass for 3 to 4 weeks if you are lucky. My DB went through 3 weeks veg in 3 gals and were in trouble. Finished in 10 gal pots and the root balls were packed in there. When I dug them open it was all white they had eaten almost all,the soil lol... SHOE grows in nothing under 20 gal pots and you should see his plants. For max expression of genetic potential with B's gear, give them big pots, otherwise you will never see what these monsters can really do...

 

[heelzballer]

I am with Pie here. A 3gal pot will hold a Bodhi plant's root mass for 3 to 4 weeks if you are lucky. My DB went through 3 weeks veg in 3 gals and were in trouble. Finished in 10 gal pots and the root balls were packed in there. When I dug them open it was all white they had eaten almost all,the soil lol... SHOE grows in nothing under 20 gal pots and you should see his plants. For max expression of genetic potential with B's gear, give them big pots, otherwise you will never see what these monsters can really do...

WOW!! Thank you, thank you, thank you...That is fascinating that root bound pots cause stretching...I've been battling some stretching on various strains for years now, and it had to do with root ball and pot size! Geez 10 gallon pots though, I'm going to have to refigue how many plants I can run (been running about 18-20) under cumulative 1800w in 3 gallon pots lol. Again much respect and appreciation for the knowledge! How many ozs did you pull off with 10 gallon pots on your DB?

 

[thebigc]

Describe it unto me. I grew a full pack. They are sensitive indoors, most of all to high amounts of nutrients. If you are running it in soil/organic it is much more likely to be smooth sailing, and its only certain phenotypes that have this tendency. The most distinguishing characteristics of the phenotypes before bloom are in the leaf size and shape, and in the general growth characteristics. If you have any pics, I could probably tell you which way she leans.

Thank you for the relpy Clankie!! Heres a pic of the one I've got. Side note - I pruned the shit out of it for 12/12 with basically no recovery time cause I was out of town for the 2 week so it not in the most beautiful shape. I can snap another shot in a few days if needed. I've got an insaine number of tests going this round so if its too sensitive it probably won't do well. We'll see...

 

[Amos Otis]

Yeah it ended with both TSSC and OG Rascal claiming no fault but confirming it was not WiFi at all. That is where it ended for him. The plants started flowering in VEG. They gave him autos.

Are you of the opinion the mix up was done intentionally, and if so....why? As you said, that resulted in 2 people who won't do business there again, so....to them, that's worth dikking a customer once to lose them forever? Sounds like someone screwed up, definitely, so....does OG Rascal still distribute seeds with TSSC ?

 

[Clankie]

Thank you for the relpy Clankie!! Heres a pic of the one I've got. Side note - I pruned the shit out of it for 12/12 with basically no recovery time cause I was out of town for the 2 week so it not in the most beautiful shape. I can snap another shot in a few days if needed. I've got an insaine number of tests going this round so if its too sensitive it probably won't do well. We'll see...
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Looks like that is actually one of the more chem91 dominant phenos, from the 3 leafs and the structure. The RKS dominant ones (which are the ones that can go squirrely under indoor stress) are darker in coloration with darker 5-7 blade leafs and purple stem striations. The chem ones grow like vines, stretch, and can usually yield really well, while still having an EXTREMELY nasty/raunchy taste. If you like fruity/berry/light tasting weed, this is probably not for you. It will also have a great sativa natured high. The main distinction will appear in flowering, as the chem91 phenos will stretch and produce colas, whereas the RKS dom will stretch less and produce more of a chunky budded indica look, with more dense and heavy individual buds. You should have a pretty solid phenotype, but I would recomend going kinda easy on the nutrients if you can.

As to the stretch issue for the dude with the Lucky Charms, stretch is also exacerbated by heat during the day, and by temperature differentials exceeding 8-10 degrees between night and day temps. I personally feel that not using properly balanced nutrients in transition will also result in unreasonably leggy plants, but I have no non-anecdotal evidence there. Fabric and air pots are also the best friends of any grower using a dense medium (such as soil, or coco) and growing indoors. Proper air movement and cooling will also help keep down stretch, as if the heat at the canopy is too high, they will stretch; but will continue to stretch and produce poorly structured buds as the closer they get to the lamp the hotter it will get.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Are you of the opinion the mix up was done intentionally, and if so....why? As you said, that resulted in 2 people who won't do business there again, so....to them, that's worth dikking a customer once to lose them forever? Sounds like someone screwed up, definitely, so....does OG Rascal still distribute seeds with TSSC ?

My personal opinion on how things like this happen is human error. It's like Attitude's packaging, there is one ass that works there that just doesn't do any trouble. Probably some employee that has zero respect for his employer that manages to not get caught out. This is how people get good or bad reputations, by hiring the right or wrong people. I like to give both OGR and TSSD benefit of the doubt as an intentional mix up is seriously stupid far as long term sustainable business practices go.

Thing is, you don't know if that is the twat that packed your beans. The 'tude is a great company but lost my biz because of one guy that can't bother to do stuff properly.

WOW!! Thank you, thank you, thank you...That is fascinating that root bound pots cause stretching...I've been battling some stretching on various strains for years now, and it had to do with root ball and pot size! Geez 10 gallon pots though, I'm going to have to refigue how many plants I can run (been running about 18-20) under cumulative 1800w in 3 gallon pots lol. Again much respect and appreciation for the knowledge! How many ozs did you pull off with 10 gallon pots on your DB?

No problemo, upping my pot sizes was some of the best advice I ever got when making the switch to organic indoor. Everything just ticks along so much better in every single regard. I want to go even bigger, I am planning on making little wheely platforms for the pots so they can move around a treat. Perhaps even a tomato cage onto the platform too, that will REALLY make things easy.

OK so bearing in mind I only vegged 3 weeks, and I topped at node 3 and then also cloned off them leaving 4 colas per plant alone, I got just over 450 dry grams off 9 plants in roughly one square meter, just a tiny bit over. I had other plants in there too so they were nicely covered by two 600w lamps right in the middle of the room, hogging the best conditions. I have one that was vegged 2 weeks longer and done LST, she is going to yield even better, almost time for choppity chop

 

[Amos Otis]

My personal opinion on how things like this happen is human error. It's like Attitude's packaging, there is one ass that works there that just doesn't do any trouble. Probably some employee that has zero respect for his employer that manages to not get caught out. This is how people get good or bad reputations, by hiring the right or wrong people. I like to give both OGR and TSSD benefit of the doubt as an intentional mix up is seriously stupid far as long term sustainable business practices go.

I agree entirely with this ^. Which is exactly why I wouldn't make definitive statements to not use a bank based on what was likely human error. It can happen w/ anyone in any business. The best vendors on Amazon, for instance, have satisfactory ratings of 97 - 99%, but never 100 w/ any significant volume.

 

[Illegal Wonder]

I agree entirely with this ^. Which is exactly why I wouldn't make definitive statements to not use a bank based on what was likely human error. It can happen w/ anyone in any business. The best vendors on Amazon, for instance, have satisfactory ratings of 97 - 99%, but never 100 w/ any significant volume.

I hear where you're coming from and agree that it eventually happens to anyone taking on large demand, but admitting the product received is not what was purchased and not claiming any fault or giving any retribution after the fact is wrong and a horrible way to conduct business. I can't say this makes me want to make an order, if I ever receive an auto in place of a reg and something that bears no resemblance to what I purchased spent the time on it and never received the bean I bought then honestly my business would be lost and I would encourage others to do the same. There's other gear out there through people who conduct business properly.

 

[Amos Otis]

I hear where you're coming from and agree that it eventually happens to anyone taking on large demand, but admitting the product received is not what was purchased and not claiming any fault or giving any retribution after the fact is wrong and a horrible way to conduct business. I can't say this makes me want to make an order, if I ever receive an auto in place of a reg and something that bears no resemblance to what I purchased spent the time on it and never received the bean I bought then honestly my business would be lost and I would encourage others to do the same. There's other gear out there through people who conduct business properly.

Those are good points, and I hear where you're coming from as well. But I didn't see where he ever said the se-ed company admitted to incorrect souvenirs, but that the breeder did.

But you have to remember that the se=edbank cannot and will not discuss anything regarding germed souvenirs, first of all. And 2nd...and I know this is hard to believe....but there are just as many scam artists in the weed community as most anywhere else. Sannie, for instance, took on a policy of having signatures required to get his beans, because he tired of people claiming nothing arrived. And we've all seen too many posts here where so newbie or know-it-all killed the beans during germ or shortly afterwards and claimed 'ripoff'.

All I'm saying really, is that I go into the transaction knowing that's it's risky on many levels, and sometimes we eat the mistakes because of legalities, though that's luckily never happened to me. From experience as a souvenir collector and a business owner dealing with the assortment of idiots that's included in 'the public', I lean to the idea that reputable banks operate in a genuine effort to provide the goods their customers seek. Mistakes are just that. If they were commonplace pertaining to one bank, word would get out pronto to collectives like RollItUp, and breeders taking hits on their reputation.

 

[Mad Hamish]

I agree entirely with this ^. Which is exactly why I wouldn't make definitive statements to not use a bank based on what was likely human error. It can happen w/ anyone in any business. The best vendors on Amazon, for instance, have satisfactory ratings of 97 - 99%, but never 100 w/ any significant volume.

Exactly, nobody is immune. But this is where after sales service comes in, when something goes wrong. And that is TSSC's weak point, they don't have your back when stuff goes awry. The 'tude at least is known for fixing errors even if Jodi can be a bit rough. But the guys at TSSC ignore mails or will tell you flat out to not bother them. THAT is when as a community we send up red flags, when we know heads don't get treated right.

 

[Amos Otis]

^ I concede your points as good and valid. W/O knowing how the conversations went, I'll hold to the notion that they [TSSC] perhaps were in the position because the issue pertained to germination - the only proof being that OG Rascal confirmed the 'germed' beans were not authentic, and TSSC and all se-edbanks specifically state they will not sell to anyone knowingly breaking the law. That. to me, might be the over riding issue. Even so, I understand why you and you're pal would deal elsewhere.

 

[Illegal Wonder]

Amos, I get where you're coming from with the after germ part. I can see how a company would stay out of that light, and even if they did there is now way for either party to prove that the plant in question was the bean purchased. But to not respond even just to say sorry but we can't do anything for you is poor business no matter how you look at it. The bank knows there's a chance they screwed up, or more concerning to them put the wrong label on something. You think they'd be happy to know this error occurred regardless and would give the respect of a response. That's really where it all comes down to for me, respect. Poor business is disrespect plain and simple...

 

[Amos Otis]

^ Sure, but the thing is, we don't know if their failure to respond was after the complaint being stated as ' it's clearly not the plant I ordered, even the breeder says so' or some variation that indicated the bean had been sprouted in violation of the sales agreement.

I'm not disagreeing with anyone, just saying there's 2 sides to issues, and I think it's safe to guess the TSSC position. I'd doubt they'd do business in a rude or disrespectful manner - who intentionally does that? But they would protect their legal status. Every se-edbank has that disclaimer. I think, even if they wanted to give the buyer a break...like free extras on a next order, to do so would be acknowledging that they know ​the beans being sent to this guy are being used illegally, which could be used to shut them down and worse.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Well in the end it is a roll of the dice for us every time we order a bean anyhow. In a sense a fake bean is better than one lost to customs. There are no guarantees with this biz really. Which is why the only thing to do is keep rolling the dice. Oh yeah, and KEEP THE KEEPERS! If you lose a good pheno that is your own fault, if you keep 'em you will never be without dankness, in which case the only thing somebody can do to you by ripping you off is decrease the odds of you finding another keeper in a short space of time. Up to us to protect ourselves really.

 

[Mr.Head]

Well in the end it is a roll of the dice for us every time we order a bean anyhow. In a sense a fake bean is better than one lost to customs. There are no guarantees with this biz really. Which is why the only thing to do is keep rolling the dice. Oh yeah, and KEEP THE KEEPERS! If you lose a good pheno that is your own fault, if you keep 'em you will never be without dankness, in which case the only thing somebody can do to you by ripping you off is decrease the odds of you finding another keeper in a short space of time. Up to us to protect ourselves really.

I'd rather custom take seeds then get fake seeds personally. But that is just due to my space limitations right now, it will take me a year to grow out a ten pack assuming all are female and healthy and I don't clone and run them more then once. I'm trying to get a small stock pile of good genetics so I don't have to order anymore. Gonna grab some of that Appy thunderfuck when I get some more cash.

I clone everything from now on. I've read far to many others sad tales of "Oh fuck, I wish I cloned this one, hope she likes reveg" only for them to scrap the reveg and lose the strain. I have no problem running stuff again, as I am still learning loads every day and each crop is better then the last.

Gotta learn from others mistakes in this game, or else you're wasting months at a time and that's no fun.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Whoa, guess I am pretty lucky to be able to pop all the beans I do. This year past alone was 12 packs put into soil, entire packs. Yeah if you are working with 10 beans a year that is a pretty small margin for error mate. You REALLY have to play the best odds you can then.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Where the hell does the Deadly G come from?! Can't find it for sale anywhere. Cannazon has Elephant that's been sold out forever. TSSC did have Mother's Milk for $4.50 a bean...still wouldn't buy from them lol.

 

[Mr.Head]

Whoa, guess I am pretty lucky to be able to pop all the beans I do. This year past alone was 12 packs put into soil, entire packs. Yeah if you are working with 10 beans a year that is a pretty small margin for error mate. You REALLY have to play the best odds you can then.

Yeah I've been extremely lucky this year, everything I have ran has been pretty good. Lots of nice folks around here to guide me toward nice genetics.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

So much bud porn...need some ugly baby pics
Blood orange at 8 days and SSDD runt at 17 days.

 

[Mad Hamish]

Where the hell does the Deadly G come from?! Can't find it for sale anywhere. Cannazon has Elephant that's been sold out forever. TSSC did have Mother's Milk for $4.50 a bean...still wouldn't buy from them lol.

It comes from behind, silently like a ninja in the night. When you least expect it it strikes with terrible ferocity. Nobody knoweth where the Deadly G comes from, all we know is, it is dangerous and must be kept away from women and small children at all costs. Once it bites you it is over. There is no cure for the bite of the Deadly G.