Administration Fears Obamacare So Flawed, It Could Bankrupt Insurance Companies

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schuylaar

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Red1966 said:
Yes, but what has that got to do with it? If they oppose it because it doesn't include lollipops, they still oppose it.
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you mentioned 60% were not for it..london was saying that lack of single payer skewed the polls

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Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
red loves to omit. omission = lying
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I omitted nothing. Pretending opposition somehow doesn't count when a liberal states it is both asinine and a lie. I resent a liar like you having the audacity to pretend I lied. Tell us more how Schumer never made the statements we all saw on the video.
 
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BigNBushy

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schuylaar said:
class act all the way:

[video=youtube;6pAfyBXBcXQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pAfyBXBcXQ&list=PLFjvyIKBe8HnUH_lslVUlYMJ zF2Cl3sTb[/video]

EDIT: MSNBC corrects itself all the time.
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I kind of like maddow, but I have a disagreement with her. What is your opinion, on the following?

She said it would be hard to imagine the construction of the transcontinental railroad without Chinese people. They did infect provide a considerable amount of the labor for the western half.

But, in your view, did they build it, or did the people who funded and designed it build it?

Teddy Roosevelt often gets credit for building the panama canal. I doubt he excavated a shovel full of earth in it's construction.

I take the same view of the railroad. Sure, the Chinese laborers hammered in the spikes, laid the rail and all of that. But in my view, they didn't build it. It was built by the engineers and capitalists who made it happen.

I suppose either view is both wrong and correct, and the most true statement would be that both groups built it. But the crux of my question is that if only one group is to be given credit, which is most deserving?

The highly skilled engineers and surveyors with their capitalist friends behind them financing the whole operation, or the guy hammering the spikes and following instruction from the others?

Clearly, to my mind, the engineers and financiers built it, their roll was more pivotal, labor can be hired from anywhere. In fact in the east, freed slaves and poor whites built that half of the railroad.
 
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Abiqua

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^ All "news" sources aren't reliable. There is always an agenda, whether, your a color, a race, male or female, poor or rich.
 
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schuylaar

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Red1966 said:
You mean like "you won't have to give up your doctor" or "you'll save $2500 a year"? The platform he ran on wasn't what he delivered.
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Due to disagreement regarding inclusion of language defunding or delaying the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA),[SUP][3][/SUP] more commonly known as ObamaCare, the Government did not pass a substantial funding bill. Funding was agreed to by the President and Congress for active military pay and back wages for furloughed employees. In addition, the House offered very small funding measures for a few, high-profile functions, which the Senate and White House rejected as "game-playing"[SUP][20][/SUP] while the Senate offered bills that did not include language to defund or delay the PPACA, but the House rejected them.[SUP][21][/SUP] On October 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans agreed to a deal that extended funding for government services until January 15, making only minor adjustments to the PPACA and other funding. This resolution was quickly adopted by both houses in bipartisan numbers, and was signed early next morning by President Obama.[SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP]
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
More lies - when will you folks begin at least to adhere to the truth?
[President Obama] signed an executive order to loan 2 Billion of our taxpayers dollars to a Brazilian Oil Exploration Company This statement is false: President Obama signed no such executive order. On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), an agency whose mission "is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets," issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil's national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development. The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated: The Bank's bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is "taxpayer dollars," Ex-Im notes that "the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders," that "the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress," and that "the Bank's activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime." Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp#6iAmqJpK2MrtCFzt.99 [President Obama] signed an executive order to loan 2 Billion of our taxpayers dollars to a Brazilian Oil Exploration Company This statement is false: President Obama signed no such executive order. On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), an agency whose mission "is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets," issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil's national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development. The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated: The Bank's bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is "taxpayer dollars," Ex-Im notes that "the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders," that "the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress," and that "the Bank's activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime." Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp#6iAmqJpK2MrtCFzt.99 [President Obama] signed an executive order to loan 2 Billion of our taxpayers dollars to a Brazilian Oil Exploration Company This statement is false: President Obama signed no such executive order. On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), an agency whose mission "is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets," issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil's national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development. The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated: The Bank's bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is "taxpayer dollars," Ex-Im notes that "the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders," that "the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress," and that "the Bank's activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime." Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp#sTwFDuExXH5XkDel.99​
This statement is false: President Obama signed no such executive order. On 14 April 2009, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (Ex-Im), an agency whose mission "is to assist in financing the export of U.S. goods and services to international markets," issued a preliminary approval for a $2 billion loan to Brazil's national oil company, Petroleo Brasileiro S.A. (Petrobras), to help fund offshore oil exploration and development. The approval of the loan was an action undertaken not by officials who had been appointed by President Obama, but by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, as Ex-Im itself stated: The Bank's bipartisan Board unanimously approved the preliminary commitment to Petrobras on April 14, 2009, before any Obama appointees joined the Bank. In fact, at the time the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush. Despite the claim that the money committed to Petrobras is "taxpayer dollars," Ex-Im notes that "the vast majority of our financing consists of guarantees of loans made by commercial lenders," that "the bank is self-sustaining and does not receive any appropriated funds from Congress," and that "the Bank's activities do not cost the American taxpayer a dime." Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp#sTwFDuExXH5XkDel.99
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Does re-posting it three times somehow make it more persuasive? Or just waste bandwidth? Import-Export loans are funded by banks, but guaranteed by the Federal government. Brazil has a habit of defaulting on loans. They still owes us $600,000,000 from their defaults in the 70's. Not to mention the loan was to enable them to institute fracking technology, something Obama claims he is against. The Import-Export Bank is an arm of the State Dept. I.E. serving SOLELY at the discretion of Obama.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
snopes gets my vote for accuracy in non-partisan reporting. maybe red can agree to snopes..red?
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Anyone else getting time-outs from the server? I've never been to snopes, so I can't comment. But I'll check it out. Frankly, I can't say any news provider is totally unbiased
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
1. ed schultz just recently returned to msnbc. 2. at mr. bashirs level you are given choices as an executive and he chose to leave with honor. 3. mr. bashir had writers to which he adds imput and it was his show.
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1) So you agree he's still on the payroll. 2) Anyone can quit, not just executives. I see no honor, just disgrace. I doubt it was his choice. 3) Input isn't control. The producer has control, not a employee.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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BigNBushy said:
I have not received a provider list. I selected to have everything mailed to me, because I figured there would be hundreds of pages. I prefer to have a hard copy. At any rate, these are places like walgreens, which flat out said "we have no contracts with insurance companies aca policies" IOW, "we don't take no stinking Obamacare." One was a doctors office, did not file it. The other was a doctors office, which attempted to file, but was told that my insurance does not cover his services.
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So the doctors haven't been paid yet? That's not going to work for very long. You may still end up getting the bill. I know I got them until my insurance company finally paid, late.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
why won't you answer my question about which branch of the government you work, red? simply, post your DDA..that's all it would take:P
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I work for the state, funded by the DOE. And you didn't ask what branch I worked for. You accused me of working for the IRS. Not a question at all.
 
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