Total Noob using teas and I am a believer
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hyroot
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^^^^^^ yield mostly depends on genetics. Coco usually produces higher yields with smaller pots than soil. With rols yield can be close to hydro. Rols imo produces better quality and easier on the wallet. Easier / less work. I ran out of nutes, except for kelp meal and alfalfa meal. I have a bunch of other stuff to spend money on right now. So I'ma grab Some down to earth vegan mix. Use that with kelp and foliars. Psuagro loves that stuff. I know a few other people who swear buy it .
cana can get you good results. Just not organic. It will take a while to dial in. Nutes/medium/strains/best method. Plants grow differently and have different needs depending on nutes and lighting and environment. One of my downfalls I constantly experiment. Sometimes it screws me. Other times I have great outcomes. I've learned everything I know pretty much from trial and error. Alot of error. lol.I need to stick to one thing. This last batch I tried uncle bens method. Not one plant grew the way I wanted. Now I have all Christmas trees. 2 topped and 2 mainlined. Instead of all. Imo trees are the way to go with most strains. Anyway if you do cana. Try with one or 2 to plants. Just to make sure you like it.
cana can get you good results. Just not organic. It will take a while to dial in. Nutes/medium/strains/best method. Plants grow differently and have different needs depending on nutes and lighting and environment. One of my downfalls I constantly experiment. Sometimes it screws me. Other times I have great outcomes. I've learned everything I know pretty much from trial and error. Alot of error. lol.I need to stick to one thing. This last batch I tried uncle bens method. Not one plant grew the way I wanted. Now I have all Christmas trees. 2 topped and 2 mainlined. Instead of all. Imo trees are the way to go with most strains. Anyway if you do cana. Try with one or 2 to plants. Just to make sure you like it.
Mad Hamish
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Experimentation is the only way to really educate ourselves in a practical manner. Last thing you feel while trying new stuff is bored. And I have run coco next to LOS now, same type same flowering room. I honestly only saw a difference in the one LOS pot that did not get mycos added, which was the runt after a while. LOS and coco head to head in first Gen soil, the coco did yield a bit more but bud was not nearly as dense. Flavour was great both ways us Saffas don't kill our hydro we feed and flush properly, plus my nutes are tailor made by a Chem engineer so its not half assed like GHE.
Done right soil wins hands down all factors considered.
May11th
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Oh no doubt, you guys are 2 very great growers and I trust everything you say. I also like experimenting, I honestly like coco alot more due to many things but I'm constantly jogging down recipes. I have a notebook that prob makes no sense to anyone but me but I do daily updates that help me correct my worms with certain strains. You know yield is nice but when I smoke I want it all, potency, taste, aroma , looks, I'm very picky with what I grow and I have no remorse tossing out a retard.heres some pics for yall. Just made a new mix with canna, general organics Alaska humus which is god awful, sticks and clay but if it works whatever. I didn't like their black gold ewc so I decided I try this until my farm gets build, man someone needs to create castings that are 100% pure not mixed with other junk. It's a sad day when you can't buy good worm shit.
On a side not they are no longer making botanicaire blackstrap molasses.
Another side note due to that I only had a choice of earth juice hibrix, anyone have anything to say about this stuff?
Also sorry to bug but I just been switching up stuff and I just purchased great white mychorriziah , I use to run roots organic oregonism, I'm looking at getting the healthiest roots I can. I already implement coconut water once every 2 weeks and I haven't done it quite enough to elaborate if it's doing anything. My temps have been going crazy here lately. I do not have a stable environment. It's like living in the damn desert, hot or fuckin g cold but they aren't showing signs severe stress .
On a side not they are no longer making botanicaire blackstrap molasses.
Another side note due to that I only had a choice of earth juice hibrix, anyone have anything to say about this stuff?
Also sorry to bug but I just been switching up stuff and I just purchased great white mychorriziah , I use to run roots organic oregonism, I'm looking at getting the healthiest roots I can. I already implement coconut water once every 2 weeks and I haven't done it quite enough to elaborate if it's doing anything. My temps have been going crazy here lately. I do not have a stable environment. It's like living in the damn desert, hot or fuckin g cold but they aren't showing signs severe stress .
May11th
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Can't sleep till I get everything done in my head. Here's so recent things. I Will say I u
sed Olivia cloning gel, I don't like to but I want to compare it against aloe. I used mr.hyroots cloning tech, first time doing it and can't wait to see how she does. Duck tape does wonders, so I have 1 clone in straight water w just Olivias cloning fell compared to a very mild coco mix with Olivias. Can't wait. Also just mainline a plant. She just grew up looking like she wanted to be trained that way.
sed Olivia cloning gel, I don't like to but I want to compare it against aloe. I used mr.hyroots cloning tech, first time doing it and can't wait to see how she does. Duck tape does wonders, so I have 1 clone in straight water w just Olivias cloning fell compared to a very mild coco mix with Olivias. Can't wait. Also just mainline a plant. She just grew up looking like she wanted to be trained that way. 
GandalfdaGreen
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Olivias works great for me too. Cloning is a snap. So many ways to get it done. Try soaking your cubes in Azos for 15 mins and I bet you'll find roots in 5 days. Crazy. I love what you are doing May. You are really kicking ass. Hyroot and Hamish are fucking awesome. Everyone of you guys are just killing it. I am so impressed with what you are all doing. You guys are an inspiration and I love being a small part of what you guys are up to. I am really afraid to keep things going right now with how crazy my ex is acting. She has flat out lost her mind. What an asshole.
- You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to May11th again.
GandalfdaGreen
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I agree 100%. Mother fuckers.
RedCarpetMatches
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May you crack me up bro. I thought I was random lol. I don't like the aloe so far, but it's prob my cold environment. Clonex would explode with roots even on 1" nubs. Since I refuse to buy anymore bottles, I rigged up a bubbler I'm trying on two precious cuttings. Just an air tube, tap water, and container. I'll mist twice a day with kelp, aloe, and my last bottled product Protekt. I like your duct tape!!! I do the same thing Leroy 
I'll be starting a second gen coco mix when my minerals come in. I don't want to till it, just scratch in the minerals and top dress with VC. I have a true LOS first gen that I'm going to compare the coco too. I love my loco coco mix. Great aeration, and almost like a DTW. The often watering sucks, but the roots are massive and solid white (and covered in gnat larva lol).
I learned a lot on the vert, big CMH, and 12/12 from start. I want to continue some 12/12fs SOG style with no training or transplanting...I learned the hard way. I really think I can hit 2-3 on each little 2 footer next go. A vert SOG gives you a ton of room for strains and breeding. I'm gonna post some crazy CMH triple headed' Gand like trich' pics later on. May, start listening to MH instead of my old mentor that I dumped
I'll be starting a second gen coco mix when my minerals come in. I don't want to till it, just scratch in the minerals and top dress with VC. I have a true LOS first gen that I'm going to compare the coco too. I love my loco coco mix. Great aeration, and almost like a DTW. The often watering sucks, but the roots are massive and solid white (and covered in gnat larva lol).
I learned a lot on the vert, big CMH, and 12/12 from start. I want to continue some 12/12fs SOG style with no training or transplanting...I learned the hard way. I really think I can hit 2-3 on each little 2 footer next go. A vert SOG gives you a ton of room for strains and breeding. I'm gonna post some crazy CMH triple headed' Gand like trich' pics later on. May, start listening to MH instead of my old mentor that I dumped
hyroot
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^^^^^ cold temps will make rooting take longer. Try a seed heating mat.
I have roots in 5 days with aloe. I dip the cutting straight into the leaf. no filet, no puree...
I finished transplanting everything 3 hours ago. My veg is completely empty and will be for the next week. Waiting a few days to take clones. Plus getting a bunch of new genetics next week.
I only took a pic of a one main liner . NL x og 2. probably another 7-10 days of veg.
I have roots in 5 days with aloe. I dip the cutting straight into the leaf. no filet, no puree...
I finished transplanting everything 3 hours ago. My veg is completely empty and will be for the next week. Waiting a few days to take clones. Plus getting a bunch of new genetics next week.
I only took a pic of a one main liner . NL x og 2. probably another 7-10 days of veg.
Mad Hamish
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Every single time I know about a grow got into trouble, there was an ex involved. That, or somebody ELSE's girl. Sucks dogballs Gandalf my friend, here's to hoping you can go legal ASAP. Shit that just SUCKS. You can tell her she pissed off people on a whole different continent. You set the standards around here, we need you raising the bar as you always do it pushes us to do better too 
RedCarpetMatches
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Yeah I have a heat mat and humidity...do just as you say. She's known to be a b%&^$ to root. I axed her after 14 days...should of waited damn it. I've always wanted to try a bubbler or make a mister out of ease. Just cut n plug ya know.
I gave a lot of thought to main lining last night, while in my alcohol and pill trance. Couldn't get off while thinking of some other woman during same old farking missionary. I personally think the first true node is the 3rd, or first 5 finger. This is where I'd top and start. I'd leave the bottom stuff until my frame is set. How and when do you guys do it? Is it better than normal topping? How much longer does it make veg time?
hyroot
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I wait til there are 6 nodes (full leaves) before doing anything. I think if I top a plant ever again. It will be to only main line a plant. Otherwise super cropping christmas tree's or lst and super cropping.
depending on strain. main lining veg time is 60-90 days
just go to the mainlining thread and read the tutorial in the beginning.
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/542308-main-lining-thread.html
RedCarpetMatches
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Is it really worth that long of veg? How many tops do you go for?
SpicySativa
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I did the mainline thing when I grew these CheeseQuake from seed (documented in the link below). I really like it for seed plants (when you still have symmetry), but I don't bother doing it with clones. It really made trimming a pleasure. That grow produced ZERO larf, and each branch from a given plant was nearly identical to the other seven.
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/553529-spicysativas-cheese-quake-grow.html
RedCarpetMatches
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So for four tops, has anyone compared UB's vs MLg?
Mad Hamish
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Damn... Asking this question means you have not read Myco's thread. You want to learn about yield that is where you go look.
SpicySativa
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For a seed plant, UB's method will give you two smaller (lower) branches and two bigger (upper) branches. You can even them out a little by pinching (super cropping) the two upper branches to let the lowers catch up.
Really though, I'm sold on mainlining for seed plants. For me it added about 10 days to the veg period for the same sized bush, but I just see that as 10 extra days of root development. I'm not in a huge hurry.
RedCarpetMatches
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I used to top then LST a nice horizontal stem of at least 4-8 good branches. I would then super crop each set of branches...a set every 3-4 days. The end looked pretty even, but added about a week to veg. ML looks so damn pretty! Nice pics and advice. I seen Myco and Mo killing it on the ML! Yes...even hyheel's frame looks nice. Plus a 'deer antler' centerpiece would be bad ass.