2 medical marijuana bills stall in Michigan Senate
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Pimpernickel
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Son of a bitch.
It went so well in the house. >.<
It went so well in the house. >.<
Pimpernickel
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I wonder if Bill Shitty was pushing for Prairie Plant with the bit about scheduling.
Healenz
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I understand polititians are elected to make decisions inthe best interest of the people... but the BALLS on this guy!! Over 63% of the citizens of Michigan votedfor this law and he should push this through. "I'm going to sit on them for awhile"
This is a perfect example of a self absorbed douche bag thatneeds to be voted out.
This is a perfect example of a self absorbed douche bag thatneeds to be voted out.
HGK420
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is it really such a bad thing tho? I'm not really reading this as a loss..... you notice the part about reclassification?
“Marijuana remains a Schedule 1 drug, illegal under federal law,” said his spokeswoman Joy Yearout. “Expanding sales will undermine public safety and put more drugs in the hands of kids.”
The approach favored by the Senate, ultimately passed by the entire Legislature and signed by Gov. Rick Snyder in December was a bill that would allow pharmacies to dispense the medical marijuana. But the bill would only take effect if the federal government changed the designation of marijuana from an illegal controlled substance to a legal prescription drug.
And that’s not likely to happen, at least not in the near future.
“The federal government isn’t going to reschedule the drug,” Schneider said. “That bill did absolutely nothing to help patients, and they deserve better health care.”
Now if takin at face value this seems win(Ish) for us. but then again politicians are usually spouting off about the opposite of whats actually going to happen. make every one think classification isn't gonna happen then BAM! so idk. politicians suck either way but idk I'm kinda glad prairie plant didn't steamroll its way through.
“Marijuana remains a Schedule 1 drug, illegal under federal law,” said his spokeswoman Joy Yearout. “Expanding sales will undermine public safety and put more drugs in the hands of kids.”
The approach favored by the Senate, ultimately passed by the entire Legislature and signed by Gov. Rick Snyder in December was a bill that would allow pharmacies to dispense the medical marijuana. But the bill would only take effect if the federal government changed the designation of marijuana from an illegal controlled substance to a legal prescription drug.
And that’s not likely to happen, at least not in the near future.
“The federal government isn’t going to reschedule the drug,” Schneider said. “That bill did absolutely nothing to help patients, and they deserve better health care.”
Now if takin at face value this seems win(Ish) for us. but then again politicians are usually spouting off about the opposite of whats actually going to happen. make every one think classification isn't gonna happen then BAM! so idk. politicians suck either way but idk I'm kinda glad prairie plant didn't steamroll its way through.
Shwagbag
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The way I see it, if we want to legalize cannabis it should be drafted by the people, petitioned by the people and approved by the people. We don't want a model like CO or CA. We want people like you and me to cultivate and dispense the cannabis, not a company with enough capital to purchase heftily priced cultivation licenses, pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer, or even a pharmacy. Bureaucratic legalization is nothing more than regulation and taxation, and I would prefer to avoid both as much as possible. Its giving the people what they want, and more importantly deserve, and the government taking what they want. Quid pro quo in a lopsided fashion, its not meeting in the middle. We should have the right to grow and dispense our own cannabis how we see fit, within the reasonable limits of criminal law. Clean and simple, or we will seemingly be giving up more rights than we are gaining. And while we're at it, why exactly is hemp illegal to cultivate for industrial use? Ahhh yes, because it would damage other less efficient industries which deal with unsustainable harvesting of resources like paper and timber.
A Petition to amend the Michigan Constitution Article 1, to add: Article 1 Section 28. Repeal of Marihuana Prohibition.
For persons at least 21 years of age who are not incarcerated, marihuana cultivation, possession, bodily internal possession, sale, acquisition, transfer, delivery, transportation, religious, medical or personal use, or possession or use of paraphernalia shall not be prohibited, abridged, or penalized in any manner; nor subject to civil forfeiture; provided that no person shall be allowed to operate a motor vehicle while impaired by any substance.
For persons at least 21 years of age who are not incarcerated, marihuana cultivation, possession, bodily internal possession, sale, acquisition, transfer, delivery, transportation, religious, medical or personal use, or possession or use of paraphernalia shall not be prohibited, abridged, or penalized in any manner; nor subject to civil forfeiture; provided that no person shall be allowed to operate a motor vehicle while impaired by any substance.
NurseNancy420
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^^^^ yeah that^^^^ rep sent 
Decriminalize. Regulate like beer and wine.
Constutional amendment not our 'representatives'
We are 'the people'
Decriminalize. Regulate like beer and wine.
Constutional amendment not our 'representatives'
We are 'the people'
st0wandgrow
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*like*^^^^ yeah that^^^^ rep sent
Decriminalize. Regulate like beer and wine.
Constutional amendment not our 'representatives'
We are 'the people'
This is how I want to see it play out too
Shwagbag
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Its important to consider what that means though. This means it MAY technically be illegal for you to grow and sell the fruits of your labor without licensing, still potentially facing criminal charges upon conviction. It means that the government may only allow you to use and possess cannabis IF you agree to pay tax on it or grow it yourself under strict guidelines which you can use only for your own consumption. The bottom line is they don't want to give you the freedom to grow and distribute to your circles, they want to count their tax dollars and could give a shit less about the legal implications. Cannabis is a plant, and a commodity at the same time. We MUST be able to grow our own for our own without taxation to at least a degree, or we're compromising too much IMO. Prices could be heavily inflated due to very few people determining the profit margins and high state/local taxation.
It may seem like our only choice, but if its a state law then we should fight for as much freedom as we can get. Once the feds get involved in legalization its not going to be pretty.
TheMan13
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The criminalization of marijuana is a federal perspective, not a state constitutional issue. Furthermore, the federal criminalization of marijuana, unlike alcohol prohibition, was done intentionally without a federal constitutional amendment so that it could not be so easily repealed. Welcome to the modern age of paid for and politically motivated lawfare. Human history is littered with the legitimate use of marijuana as medicine prior to the simple and wrongful declaration of 1970 that it has no legitimate medicinal use within the United States that classified it as a schedule I narcotic and then declared war upon it.
Fast forward 40 years to Obama and Holder. With medicinal marijuana now on the books of half of the states in the union they have a clear responsibly: either follow the schedule I rule of law as provided by federal legislation or work to change it. See Abraham Lincoln and Emancipation. This in between bullshit of lawfare is both unlawful and damaging to the rule of law in general IMO. This my friends is by no means a victimless crime
Fast forward 40 years to Obama and Holder. With medicinal marijuana now on the books of half of the states in the union they have a clear responsibly: either follow the schedule I rule of law as provided by federal legislation or work to change it. See Abraham Lincoln and Emancipation. This in between bullshit of lawfare is both unlawful and damaging to the rule of law in general IMO. This my friends is by no means a victimless crime
Shwagbag
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LIKE!
Yes it is a federal perspective, and you're right on about the difficulty to repeal it.... But we've seen that the states can, are and will continue to influence the change at some point. First medical states, then decriminalization for profit in Oregon, Colorado and California (2014). They are pioneering uncharted territory.
A perfect model for federal legalization would be complete decriminalization, removal of the drug from all schedules, with the specific legislation and regulation being left on the states. Therefore the state legalization methods are, in theory VERY important. This is the model that SHOULD be used, but unfortunately won't be. Back in the good ol' days, states actually had the power to govern themselves, but that was before the federal government grew into a 12 headed monster than had the need to govern everything.
That doesn't mean we should start our bargaining with a lopsided compromise. We should fight for freedom, not compromise which results in handing the government tens of billions in new taxes only to have them squander them as they do everything else.
I realize that what I want will probably never happen, but that doesn't mean we should give the government everything they want just so we can have part of what we want. If more states lead the initiative it would make it easier on the federales to just simply remove marijuana from its schedules all together and just leave the existing legislation on the states.
Found this today, I was not aware discussions were heating up!
Hemp HR 525
Yes it is a federal perspective, and you're right on about the difficulty to repeal it.... But we've seen that the states can, are and will continue to influence the change at some point. First medical states, then decriminalization for profit in Oregon, Colorado and California (2014). They are pioneering uncharted territory.
A perfect model for federal legalization would be complete decriminalization, removal of the drug from all schedules, with the specific legislation and regulation being left on the states. Therefore the state legalization methods are, in theory VERY important. This is the model that SHOULD be used, but unfortunately won't be. Back in the good ol' days, states actually had the power to govern themselves, but that was before the federal government grew into a 12 headed monster than had the need to govern everything.
That doesn't mean we should start our bargaining with a lopsided compromise. We should fight for freedom, not compromise which results in handing the government tens of billions in new taxes only to have them squander them as they do everything else.
I realize that what I want will probably never happen, but that doesn't mean we should give the government everything they want just so we can have part of what we want. If more states lead the initiative it would make it easier on the federales to just simply remove marijuana from its schedules all together and just leave the existing legislation on the states.
Found this today, I was not aware discussions were heating up!
Hemp HR 525
Shwagbag
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Perhaps I'm being misunderstood, I'm not suggesting to do nothing federally. I'm suggesting that federally marijuana should be omitted from being listed as a drug of any schedule designation. Complete decriminalization. This would leave it up to the citizens of their home states to leverage their rights through state and local legislation. The way our government was SUPPOSED to work. States should build their own roads with their own funds, educate their own people, provide health care and living assistance etc. The federal government has no business in any of those things, yet they are involved in all of them.
Alcohol and tobacco are exempt from being associated with a federal drug schedule because they are the most widely used among the people..... And they've also been exploited to generate the government HUGE sums of money in tax revenue through excessive taxation. The same model could apply for marijuana, but if the states already have a model in place it could potentially (but unlikely) leverage the federal government to keep their sticky mitts off. This gives the people more power to fight for their rights.
st0wandgrow
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Good stuff guys. Tough to disagree with any of that.
I think it's a pipe dream though. Marijuana is now the #1 cash crop in this country surpassing corn a few years ago. No way in hell that the feds (and states) won't be taxing the shit out of this once it's re-scheduled or decriminalized.
I think it's a pipe dream though. Marijuana is now the #1 cash crop in this country surpassing corn a few years ago. No way in hell that the feds (and states) won't be taxing the shit out of this once it's re-scheduled or decriminalized.
Shwagbag
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Pretty much and it makes me sick. Land of the free, home of the brave.
[video=youtube;IhnUgAaea4M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M[/video]
TheMan13
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I hear you brother, but with literally half the states of this union now acknowledging the medicinal use of marijuana by law the "problem" no longer lays there. The fact that this federal legislation still exists proclaiming marijuana has no medicinal use in the United States is simply absurd beyond any reasonable doubt. Although under this precept and exploitation of lawfare the executive/police and judicial/courts are allowed to act through precedents based literally upon this absurdity without accountability. What we need here now is nothing more than integrity to right this ship. Here in lays the true "problem": There is no power nor profit to be had from integrity
Shwagbag
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YewKnowDamRite! I will say one thing about pot smokers. Yeah, most of them are idiots lol, but they at least realize the relatively harmless nature of a plant that brings people together. Not many understand the science or the health risks around it, but they are smart enough to know they should have the right to use it in privacy without having to pay for a license or worry about traveling with it.I hear you brother, but with literally half the states of this union now acknowledging the medicinal use of marijuana by law the "problem" no longer lays there. The fact that this federal legislation still exists proclaiming marijuana has no medicinal use in the United States is simply absurd beyond any reasonable doubt. Although under this precept and exploitation of lawfare the executive/police and judicial/courts are allowed to act through precedents based literally upon this absurdity without accountability. What we need here now is nothing more than integrity to right this ship. Here in lays the true "problem": There is no power nor profit to be had from integrity
NurseNancy420
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There are plenty of existing regulations where the state can collect it's 'due' zoning,building,electrical,agricultural,..inspections and permits abound!!
If I want to make beer for my friends CPs would not take my kids. Leo would not steal any thing they like.If I want to sell my beer in town? There are rules and taxes for that. Same as wine.
Eat this apple bite at time. First Michigan then the feds.
Quit letting the losers set the rules
If I want to make beer for my friends CPs would not take my kids. Leo would not steal any thing they like.If I want to sell my beer in town? There are rules and taxes for that. Same as wine.
Eat this apple bite at time. First Michigan then the feds.
Quit letting the losers set the rules
Muff Lebowski
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I'd like to know how the goobermint figures it can regulate and tax the shit out of something with a long history of being underground. The plant, while being illegal, developed into the #1 cash crop in the country if not the world. Cultivation and delivery systems already work and have for decades. These facts make me wonder why the fuck is anyone begging the goobermint for anything. Who has the most cash and control in reality? It would seem that the industry as a whole is the party with the hammer when it comes to politicians. Granting the right to tax and regulate means the legislation is written the way the group with the most money wants right? Fuck the lobbyists. I think the message should be, "write the laws the way we demand or it fades back to the underground."
Seems to me we should be using the system the same way lobbyists do. He who has the gold makes the rules
Seems to me we should be using the system the same way lobbyists do. He who has the gold makes the rules
NurseNancy420
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^^^^yeah that^^^^
except I've chosen not to be a drug dealer but a caregiver.
Not to bright I kno
Sheep or Wolves??? Flock or PAC ??
You folks are gonna get the choice.
except I've chosen not to be a drug dealer but a caregiver.
Not to bright I kno
Sheep or Wolves??? Flock or PAC ??
You folks are gonna get the choice.