Can you live on minimum wage? (Calculator)

[Dr Kynes]

Gotta say, though, your math is tight.

fucked up my math somehow the other day, so i been double checking my shit.

 

[twostrokenut]

Come on, meow. You know what I'm jabbering about, here. Paying the "lower classes" what they deserve will help everyone. More dough for the dummies means more spending, means more money for you biddness owners.

See that's true.
But its only a band aid for an amputated limb.

Problem is the "dummies" are the government class in legislature.
And they get first dibs before inflation unlike lower class me and you.
Its like your butler being in charge of your household budget, which you put him in charge of.
Assuming your butler took a dying oath to act with your money as a fiduciary according to the rules.

But they are usurpers.
Ignorant of what money is, which it is their JOB to know.


They create "capital" out of thin air unlike me or you.
They have awesome healthcare unlike lower class me and you.
Printing "money" corrupts rather quickly.
Now we beg the servant class for some of their corruptness

 

[Pinworm]

See that's true.
But its only a band aid for an amputated limb.

Problem is the "dummies" are the government class in legislature.
And they get first dibs before inflation unlike lower class me and you.
Its like your butler being in charge of your household budget, which you put him in charge of.
Assuming your butler took a dying oath to act with your money as a fiduciary according to the rules.

But they are usurpers.
Ignorant of what money is, which it is their JOB to know.


They create "capital" out of thin air unlike me or you.
They have awesome healthcare unlike lower class me and you.
Printing "money" corrupts rather quickly.
Now we beg the servant class for some of their corruptness

The truth. ...............

 

[Dr Kynes]

Now we beg the servant class for some of their corruptness

can you blame us?

 

[twostrokenut]

can you blame us?

Oh I totally blame us.
Our job to check them.
Letting a hot girl take advantage of you financially being a requisite to her services is a myth.
Lots of hot girls out there willing to trade equally.

Seems I remember this being the beginning or close to the beginning of Aquarius?

 

[Padawanbater2]

"full time work" mopping floors or washing dishes has NEVER earned a living wage.

if it did then dishwashers and floor moppers would never need to get better jobs.

your transparent self serving agenda is just an attempt to shake the money tree (somebody else's money tree at that) so you can get a tradesman's wage for asking "You want fries with that?".

if you can make a carpenter's wage slinging fries, how much more do you think carpenters deserve? so now building a house is more expensive.

plumbers need more too, suddenly a clogged toilet becomes a financial decision: crap in a bucket or take a second mortgage?

aircraft mechanics will need more too, so your plane ticket just went up.

you dont consider the implications of your agenda, a common failing with the occupy-tards.

The job is irrelevant, if you work full time, you should earn a living wage. How can you reasonably argue with that?

If you're making a living wage and/or are comfortable working as a carpenter, why would what a fast food employee makes have any significance to you at all? Exactly like you said, your wage is based on your skill/education level, not what somebody in some other occupation is making

 

[Dr Kynes]

The job is irrelevant, if you work full time, you should earn a living wage. How can you reasonably argue with that?

If you're making a living wage and/or are comfortable working as a carpenter, why would what a fast food employee makes have any significance to you at all? Exactly like you said, your wage is based on your skill/education level, not what somebody in some other occupation is making

and if you can make the same wage flipping burgers or washing dishes, why bother learning carpentry or plumbing or any other trade?

you fail to understand capitalism as an objective source of motivation.

why bother crawling in the mud, snaking pipes full of shit, or sweating in the sun with a hammer and saw when you can make the same wage comfortably ensconced in a starbucks making frappuccinos?

you WANT tradesman's wages but dont care that those tradesmen work harder than a guy standing behind the counter at a 7-11.

 

[Padawanbater2]

and if you can make the same wage flipping burgers or washing dishes, why bother learning carpentry or plumbing or any other trade?

you fail to understand capitalism as an objective source of motivation.

why bother crawling in the mud, snaking pipes full of shit, or sweating in the sun with a hammer and saw when you can make the same wage comfortably ensconced in a starbucks making frappuccinos?

you WANT tradesman's wages but dont care that those tradesmen work harder than a guy standing behind the counter at a 7-11.

I disagree with you that the only reason people learn things is for financial gain

We'd still have carpenters, we'd still have doctors and lawyers, society would go on.

You offer nothing but hyperbole with again, no evidence to back anything up...

 

[Dr Kynes]

Oh I totally blame us.
Our job to check them.
Letting a hot girl take advantage of you financially being a requisite to her services is a myth.
Lots of hot girls out there willing to trade equally.

Seems I remember this being the beginning or close to the beginning of Aquarius?

nope, not till around 2600 AD.

we are still locked in the lamentable age of pisces.


not to imply that silly astrological garbage means anything.

 

[UncleBuck]

raising the minimum wage to $8.10/hour would do very little since most states already have a minimum wage law that is close to that number or higher.

if you happen to live in georgia or alabama and make minimum wage, raisng the minimum wage by $2.35/hour might seem like a windfall, and suddenly you can afford to lease that prius you have been wanting, but after a very short time, all the things you buy will cost more.

"corporations" and "business owners" dont pay the wages, those are an expense. those expenses are paid by their customers.

while you may feel prosperous as fuck with that extra $94 in your weekly pay packet, that $94 will vanish like a fart in the wind when you have to pay more for everything, and due to the vagaries of Cost Accounting, every new expense must have a profit attached, so youll soon be spending $100 more per week for your necessities, making your sweet new pay increase into an effective pay decrease.

thats how the world works. when costs go up, prices go up, when costs go down, prices stay the same, but profits increase.

driving MORE inflation (even "short term" inflation) is retarded.

if you want more money, get a better job.

trying to vote yourself the right to pick somebody else's pocket wont do shit for you, since the guy youre robbing will simply charge more for his goods to refill his pockets.

only one problem with your long winded bullshit: we've run the numbers before, wages come out ahead every time.

you can cry and cry and cry all you want, but increasing the minimum wage does help workers.

i've never met a minimum wager like you who still lives with his mom yet argues against his own best interests because the john birch society tells him to.

that's true dedication to idiocy.

now you and twostroke go cry about free market TR00F and marxism and socialism and the fed and individual governments until you feel all better. share some fedore tips while you're at it.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I disagree with you that the only reason people learn things is for financial gain

We'd still have carpenters, we'd still have doctors and lawyers, society would go on.

You offer nothing but hyperbole with again, no evidence to back anything up...

ORLY?

nothing to back it up?

are YOU gonna spend 4 years as an apprentice (making the hypothetical minimum wage of $14/hour) to become a journeyman to gain the same wage of $14/ hour, when you can sit on your hump in a burger joint flipping patties for the sdame $14/hour, without having to suffer the heat, the noise the sweat and the exertion of carpentry?

no. i didnt think so.

you gonna dig trenches and cut out broken sewer lines for $14/ hour when you can make the same $14/hour mopping the floor of a porno theatre?

nope, didnt think so.

only communist believe that equal pay for all, regardless of skill education, work ethic or difficulty will result in magical inducement to take the hard or unpleasant jobs with the same pay.

why do you think garbage men make much more than minimum wage?

 

[Padawanbater2]

and if you can make the same wage flipping burgers or washing dishes, why bother learning carpentry or plumbing or any other trade?

To expand on this point; ...because people want to.

Removing the burden of spending at a minimum 8 hours of every day for survival, people would be free to put that time towards learning new skills, inventing things, creating new art, etc. Do you think people would just be laying around taking naps and eating grapes in hammocks all day? I do these things in my spare time with the burden, it's absurd to think nobody would be around to do these things if there were the same financial incentive as working a full time job.

 

[UncleBuck]

what a fun chart.

"poverty thresholds were inflated form the 2012 census based on cbo projected inflation projections, which were based on cbo projections and proposals to do shit that wont make a lick of difference, assuming everybody works 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year and assuming the author is not an idiot"

the REAL numbers:
1968 (the first year there actually was an official "Poverty Line" )
poverty line for a family of 4: $4235.00/year. (not adjusted for inflation, which we totally dont have anyway...) source: (a)
federal minimum hourly wage: $1.62 source: (b)

so, 40 hours a week x 52 weeks/year x $1.62 hourly minimum wage = $3369.60

ZOMG THAT'S BELOW THE POVERTY LINE!1!!!!!11!!!!!one !!!!1!!!!uno!!!!!!!!11!

No Shit Sherlock. the minimum wage was never intended to be a "living wage" or a tradesman's wage. it was instituted to prevent "exploitation" of desperate people, but in a town with ZERO jobs, even a shitty job paying less than $5/hour is a welcome thing, why do you think mexicans come to america to pick lettuce for $0.10 a bushel?

the poverty line for a family of four in 2013 is $23550.00 (5x higher. nope, no inflation there folks... ) source: (c)

the federal minimum wage is currently $5.75/hour.

so, 40 hours a week x 52 weeks/year x $5.75 min hourly wage = $11960.00 (3.59 x higher than 1968. yep. the feds are doing a great job keeping up with the inflation that we dont have...)

if you assume that 1968 (those glorious halcyon days liberals love to look back on with wistful tears) is the benchmark, then the federal minimum wage should be raised to $8.10/hour (exactly 5x the 1968 minimum wage, to account for the inflation we dont have)

while this means certain people in alabama and wyoming will be getting a pay increase, it wont do shit in most states which already have rates close to, or above $8.10/hour.

arguing for a DOUBLING of the minimum wage to $12 or $14/hour will simply fuck over an already shaky small business economy, and will shutter businesses with tight margins and high labour costs (like food service).

even raising the minimum wage to $8.10 will result in more illegal alien hiring to dodge the wage increase (and the comensurate increases in payroll taxes, SS, Medicare, disability,unemployment, etc) which will drive MORE unemployment.

until we have nearly zero unemployment, raising the minimum wage will only spur more inflation, and more unemployment.























(a)https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/thresh68.html

(b)http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/stateMinWageHis.htm

(c)http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm

you are one stupid mother fucker, kynes.

min wage is not $5.75, putting it in ALL CAPS will not make it so. min wage is $7.25, you dumb shit.

min wage in 1968, indexed to inflation (which no one claims to be non-existent) was over $10 an hour.

you are such a dumbass that i simply fail to comprehend how even you believe the bullshit you spew.

everyone, let kynes be an example of what happens when you join the john birch cult, work at walmart, and live with your mom as an overweight, fedora'd, 50 year old man.

 

[UncleBuck]

ORLY?

nothing to back it up?

are YOU gonna spend 4 years as an apprentice (making the hypothetical minimum wage of $14/hour) to become a journeyman to gain the same wage of $14/ hour, when you can sit on your hump in a burger joint flipping patties for the sdame $14/hour, without having to suffer the heat, the noise the sweat and the exertion of carpentry?

no. i didnt think so.

you gonna dig trenches and cut out broken sewer lines for $14/ hour when you can make the same $14/hour mopping the floor of a porno theatre?

nope, didnt think so.

only communist believe that equal pay for all, regardless of skill education, work ethic or difficulty will result in magical inducement to take the hard or unpleasant jobs with the same pay.

why do you think garbage men make much more than minimum wage?

you have never, not even once, ever backed up any of your bullshit with actual facts. ever.

you have yet to show me one business that ever went out of business due to minimum wage increases.

you have never ever once shown me wages come out behind commodities. we have run the BLS numbers before, you lose that one every single time. wages always come out ahead.

we have been over this time and again, all you have are talking points. you never ever ever (not even once) have actual evidence on your side.

when you do try to back up your case with numbers, you get caught in numerous lies (see above).

go cry into your fedora.

 

[Dr Kynes]

To expand on this point; ...because people want to.

Removing the burden of spending at a minimum 8 hours of every day for survival, people would be free to put that time towards learning new skills, inventing things, creating new art, etc. Do you think people would just be laying around taking naps and eating grapes in hammocks all day? I do these things in my spare time with the burden, it's absurd to think nobody would be around to do these things if there were the same financial incentive as working a full time job.

you have no evidence to support the idea that people will run off to become plumbers so they can come home stinking of shit, or get up at 3 AM to collect garbage, or sweat their balls off in the sun building houses if the same pay can be had in a burger king.

 

[Padawanbater2]

are YOU gonna spend 4 years as an apprentice (making the hypothetical minimum wage of $14/hour) to become a journeyman to gain the same wage of $14/ hour, when you can sit on your hump in a burger joint flipping patties for the sdame $14/hour, without having to suffer the heat, the noise the sweat and the exertion of carpentry?

Of course, who the hell wouldn't? Have you ever worked in fast food? I have, fuck that shit, also LMFAO @ $14/hour, try half that

So I ask you again, if you are making enough money to suit your lifestyle, why would you care what anyone else is making?

you gonna dig trenches and cut out broken sewer lines for $14/ hour when you can make the same $14/hour mopping the floor of a porno theatre?

Gladly!

only communist believe that equal pay for all, regardless of skill education, work ethic or difficulty will result in magical inducement to take the hard or unpleasant jobs with the same pay.

I'm not arguing for equal pay for all. I'm arguing that the bottom line, the absolute minimum any employer in America should be able to pay their full time employees is a living wage - that is a wage that is comparable to the cost of living in their area. No employer worth their business would have a problem with that, and if they do, they can pick up shop and move to another country more favorable to their interests.

 

[UncleBuck]

has anyone else noticed that when you actually look at the shit that kynes stcks up in his long winded posts, most of the shit turns out to be lies?

it happens every time. whenever he is not spewing retarded talking points and unproven theories, he is telling straight lies.

woooooooops.

 

[jahbrudda]

you are one stupid mother fucker.

.

Do you really hang your pot over a litter box to make it smell like Catpiss, do you not know that the characteristics of Catpiss are genetic?

 

[UncleBuck]

you have no evidence to support the idea that people will run off to become plumbers so they can come home stinking of shit, or get up at 3 AM to collect garbage, or sweat their balls off in the sun building houses if the same pay can be had in a burger king.

and you have zero evidence that burger flippers ever got the same pay as plumbers, or that plumbers all quit to become burger flippers if min wage goes up, or anything of the sort.

you have zero evidence for any of your retarded, hollow talking points.

you are full of bullshit, plain and simple.

and when you're not doling out the bullshit, you are straight up lying.

 

[UncleBuck]

Do you really hang your pot over a litter box to make it smell like Catpiss, do you not know that the characteristics of Catpiss are genetic?

you do understand what a white supremacy group is, right? so why cite white supremacists like you do? does that same line of thinking also motivate your opposition to civil rights and your birther conspiracies?