Can you live on minimum wage? (Calculator)

[NLXSK1]

hmmmmmm, let's see if we can find you contradicting you.



yep, there it is.

dumb hypocrite.

It is not a contradiction but you are obviously too stupid to realize that...

 

[Padawanbater2]

I guess those who can't should get a trade or education so they can live comfortably.

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

 

[NLXSK1]

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

Live with roommates, take public transportation, get help from friends and/or family, look for a better higher paying job while working the one they are at. There are many ways.

It is not the employers job to suddenly completely support every employee they hire. If you looked at it from the other side you would see how illogical your arguments are. An employer is not required to offer you nor anyone else a job. Even the CBO agrees that 500,000 jobs will be lost due to a higher minimum wage. So, what do those people do??

 

[twostrokenut]

yep, there it is.

dumb hypocrite.

you're just an angry racist southerner. a simple, simple mind with a lot of hate in his heart.

and you;re a fucking coward to boot.

Not everyone that disagrees with you is racist. But I have witnessed you call kandaher, or what ever his screen name was, an ignorant nigger, then you got banned for it.

i got banned for posting pictures of kaendar, not for calling him a niqquer. you dumb, confused thing.

Love it when that happens.

Why so chicken Buck?
You know if you change the words a little you're still just a PC racist right?

 

[Rob Roy]

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

Your heart is in the right place, for that I commend you. However to strike the root cause of poverty, you should first understand some of the factors that contribute to it. Excess regulation acts as a barrier to inexpensive housing and alternative forms of commerce that would be cheaper if the regulations that keep some players out of markets did not exist.

Consider reading Dr. Mary Ruart's book, Healing our World. She has a chapter that deals with minimum wages, the causes and the unintended consequences.

 

[twostrokenut]

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

Dude, some states have lottery assistance to help pay tuition at least regardless of gpa and such I would move there.

Interestingly enough these states seem to have an ample supply of better than min wage jobs that require no trade skills that can't be taught on the fly on the job.

Welding for example.

I recall a company recruiting ppl and certifying them in 2 weeks.
Paid $10hr 40 hrs per week to train. Training was welding straight lines on the ceiling for a few days ALL DAY.
Then welding straight lines on the left wall all day for a few days.
Then the right wall, then the floor.....then off to work, travel paid, per diem and like $15 hr and overtime.

You need to get yourself somewhere like that.

 

[Bombur]

Guyz plz, I need $15/hr to stock produce. I deserve it, Obama says I deserve it.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Live with roommates, take public transportation, get help from friends and/or family, look for a better higher paying job while working the one they are at. There are many ways.

It is not the employers job to suddenly completely support every employee they hire. If you looked at it from the other side you would see how illogical your arguments are. An employer is not required to offer you nor anyone else a job. Even the CBO agrees that 500,000 jobs will be lost due to a higher minimum wage. So, what do those people do??

Why should anyone accept a lower standard of living when the standards of living have increased since the establishment of the USA when they don't have to?

I disagree. I don't think full time jobs that don't pay a living wage should exist, so I welcome the elimination of all of those jobs. Those people working them will have to find something else, something that will pay a living wage. Until then, they'll likely be utilizing government assistance.

Employers aren't required to offer jobs just like people aren't required to eat. If they want to make any money they certainly are required to offer people jobs to sell their products. That's a nonsensical statement if I've ever read one..

500,000 wage slave jobs eliminated; good. People should not be working for slave wages that can't pay their bills

Your heart is in the right place, for that I commend you. However to strike the root cause of poverty, you should first understand some of the factors that contribute to it. Excess regulation acts as a barrier to inexpensive housing and alternative forms of commerce that would be cheaper if the regulations that keep some players out of markets did not exist.

Consider reading Dr. Mary Ruart's book, Healing our World. She has a chapter that deals with minimum wages, the causes and the unintended consequences.

I agree, raising the minimum wage is a far cry from solving the inherent problem in using a fractional reserve economic system, but it's a small start that helps the poorest people in the country

I'll check that book out, thanks for the suggestion

 

[twostrokenut]

\I agree, raising the minimum wage is a far cry from solving the inherent problem in using a fractional reserve economic system, but it's a small start that helps the poorest people in the country

I'll check that book out, thanks for the suggestion

Goddam finally.
So why not advocate monetary reform, repeal legal tender laws ect ect instead? The KISS method.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Goddam finally.
So why not advocate monetary reform, repeal legal tender laws ect ect instead? The KISS method.

I do advocate monetary reform. But you are about as likely to reform the monetary system as you are to send a man to Mars. It's a goal that is simply out of reach during my own lifetime. I honestly expect the US would crumble before that would ever happen. I see it as a goal that can't be achieved. Call me cynical, I'd agree with it, life is just too fucked up to make that happen, and I'm not naive enough to believe it ever will.

 

[kelly4]

I do advocate monetary reform. But you are about as likely to reform the monetary system as you are to send a man to Mars. It's a goal that is simply out of reach during my own lifetime. I honestly expect the US would crumble before that would ever happen. I see it as a goal that can't be achieved. Call me cynical, I'd agree with it, life is just too fucked up to make that happen, and I'm not naive enough to believe it ever will.

They're planning on sending people to Mars as we speak.

 

[jahbrudda]

My fiance and I make a combined pretax total of 95,000 dollars (USD) and we are by no means rich. I couldn't imagine living on minimum wage which is $7.25 hr where I live.

I guess those who can't should get a trade or education so they can live comfortably.

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage
job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

Bro, people with motivation and a skilled trade do NOT make minimum wage, the same goes for getting an education, if you choose it wisely.
You seem to be fixated on failure, IMHO.

 

[twostrokenut]

I do advocate monetary reform. But you are about as likely to reform the monetary system as you are to send a man to Mars. It's a goal that is simply out of reach during my own lifetime. I honestly expect the US would crumble before that would ever happen. I see it as a goal that can't be achieved. Call me cynical, I'd agree with it, life is just too fucked up to make that happen, and I'm not naive enough to believe it ever will.

No offense but I think people are way smarter than that....or can be. This problem is only ONE generation old....1964 was the nail in the coffin IMHO.....still a ton of people left that remember the silver......or are these ppl part of the "older people" problem you hinted of earlier?
Can't have it both ways imho dude.

But then there are still ppl that think our currency is backed by gold but instead of educating them, you take the cynical route instead? How will it ever change that way? Can't beat them join them and we will make great pets?

Fuck that shit.


No need to actually reform, elastic fed notes are not the only choice. There are competing US currencies.

 

[Padawanbater2]

They're planning on sending people to Mars as we speak.

 

[kelly4]

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Someone working full time making minimum wage earns roughly $940/month after taxes. Say this person is single with no kids living alone

Say they live somewhere with decent rent prices, studio apartment, costs somewhere in the ballpark of $600/month. After rent that person has $340

They'll probably need a phone as most jobs require some kind of communication when they hire you, lets go cheap at $40/month, now they have $300

They have to eat, so again, lets be frugal and eat cheaply, say $5 a day for 3 meals, that's $1.66/meal (much less than any restaurant). $5/day x's 30 days = $150/month. Now they're down to $150

Do they drive? Insurance and gas for the month will easily eat up $150, now that person is down to $0

They do only spend 8 hours a day at work though, lets say they spend another 6 hours sleeping, that gives them another 8 hours to work another minimum wage job or find some other source of income (not including commutes)

So how is this person expected to go to school and earn themselves a better education or learn a trade if they're working another minimum wage job for 8 hours? How does this person provide the means to pay for school with no money left over at the end of the month?

A loan...............

 

[twostrokenut]

I do advocate monetary reform...It's a goal that is simply out of reach during my own lifetime... I see it as a goal that can't be achieved...and I'm not naive enough to believe it ever will.

Well, you bring up an interesting point, but I'm not sure you thought it through to completion

Here's the thing. I think now that you actually HAVE thought this out to completion.
You seem to want more laws to create a band aid for the poor to help alleviate the multiple gushing stab wounds created by the Fed/Gubberment attacker aka "fiduciary".

You recognize the Fed as the root problem which now means......
that you seem to be advocating for the rapist to console the rape victim.
You seem to now be advocating the Pimp Ho relationship and see the Pimp as the Father figure Protector and Provider.
That's fucked up.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Here's the thing. I think now that you actually HAVE thought this out to completion.
You seem to want more laws to create a band aid for the poor to help alleviate the multiple gushing stab wounds created by the Fed/Gubberment attacker aka "fiduciary".

So you seem to want the rapist to console the rape victim.
You seem to now like the Pimp Ho relationship and see the Pimp as the Father figure Protector and Provider.
That's fucked up.

I want the rapist to stop raping the innocent girl. Unfortunately for me, he's on meth and rational thoughts don't seem to apply to him, if the best I can get is oral with no penetration, I'll fucking take it. Arguing with him til the bitch is dead doesn't seem very productive to me

 

[twostrokenut]

I want the rapist to stop raping the innocent girl. Unfortunately for me, he's on meth and rational thoughts don't seem to apply to him, if the best I can get is oral with no penetration, I'll fucking take it. Arguing with him til the bitch is dead doesn't seem very productive to me

No need to be rational with the irrational, that is illogical.
You need a gun, shoot that mother fucker, stop being a victim. Arm yourself with knowledge.

You can explain all this shit to most people with two pennies, one copper and one zinc.

 

[twostrokenut]

So how are we innocent rape victims if we choose to remain ignorant to what money is?
We are no longer innocent.

We have ourselves to blame. It is our responsibility to not get raped.

We do not live in a totalitarian system yet, where we must do what we are told, therefore there is no rape just sick, twisted dom-style fettish where we merely PRETEND to be the victim to get our jollies.

There it is, the Money.

 

[UncleBuck]

OMGZ the FED!

tR00f3R 4 Lyf3.