Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones

[SableZen]

What is the working hypothesis? Defoliating will result in a greater yield by final dry weight?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

I'm getting everything around and as I set the test variables a few things have come to mind. I've decided there has to be 4 plants.

Plant TDE-001: She will be untrimmed, left to grow natural. Code name: The Controller

Plant TDE-002: She will be our full blown, leaf and stem removal girl. Code name: Sinéad O'Connor

Plant TDE-003: She will be the first of two that will have her leaves trimmed in half and only have selected stems removed. Code name: Susan McKendrick*

Plant TDE-004: She will be trimmed just as plant 003 but I will be giving her different nutrients. The reason is; first in real life I only trim mother plants, and when I do I feed them different. For the test to cover all points I think this is necessary. Code name: Sharon McKendrick*

I would also like to hear any thoughts you all have.

This should be fun.

...but...but...but

defoliation has zero benefits , say its not even a commercial farming technique or anyhting....come on man

RIU is about CFL's and commercial yields

 

[Bugeye]

I think the most important comparison is a defoliated clone to a clone that has been pinched and LST'd. For an indoor grow I don't think it makes sense to grow a tree as the yield will obviously be lower from light intensity issues. Just my 2 cents.

 

[UncleReemis]

They should both be lstd in the same way if possible. This way we know for sure if it helps, harms or does nothing.

 

[stickybuds*]

I'm getting everything around and as I set the test variables a few things have come to mind. I've decided there has to be 4 plants.

Plant TDE-001: She will be untrimmed, left to grow natural. Code name: The Controller

Plant TDE-002: She will be our full blown, leaf and stem removal girl. Code name: Sinéad O'Connor

Plant TDE-003: She will be the first of two that will have her leaves trimmed in half and only have selected stems removed. Code name: Susan McKendrick*

Plant TDE-004: She will be trimmed just as plant 003 but I will be giving her different nutrients. The reason is; first in real life I only trim mother plants, and when I do I feed them different. For the test to cover all points I think this is necessary. Code name: Sharon McKendrick*

I would also like to hear any thoughts you all have.

This should be fun.

are you going to lift all 4 plants so the canopy is level at all times ?

if you are, for the space used in the flower room, plant 3 and 4 are going to give you the best yield, but the The Controller will yield the most but take a lot more room, without the extra veg time Sinéad O'Connor needs you will pull a low yield

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[joe macclennan]

are you going to lift all 4 plants so the canopy is level at all times ?

if you are, for the space used in the flower room, plant 3 and 4 are going to give you the best yield, but the The Controller will yield the most but take a lot more room, without the extra veg time Sinéad O'Connor needs you will pull a low yield

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so you are saying he should lift the defoliated plants to get them closer to the light?

sounds like a really unbiased plan.

they should all remain on the floor at the same level. Only with differing techniques for pruning or defoliation.

 

[UncleReemis]

Well. Would that be fair to give O'Connor extra veg time to compensate for the vegetative growth that's been removed? Should Susan have half of the extra veg time O'Connor get's since it's a selective defoliation? Should any LST be involved?

 

[joe macclennan]

lol @ sinead oconnor

no it's not fair. if you wanna do a totally unbiased test everything should remain the same

except for training pruning and the defoliation technique used.

and this goes for veg time too.

edit: and nutes

 

[chuck estevez]

lol @ sinead oconnor

no it's not fair. if you wanna do a totally unbiased test everything should remain the same

except for training pruning and the defoliation technique used.

and this goes for veg time too.

edit: and nutes

I agree. Kinda been my whole defense against defoliation. The extra time and energy and any extra yield(if Any) isn't worth it vs just doing a topping or supercropping her.

 

[joe macclennan]

I agree. Kinda been my whole defense against defoliation. The extra time and energy vs any extra yield(if Any) isn't worth it vs just doing a topping or supercropping her.

exactamundo!

but lets lift up the defoliated plants to allow them closer access to the lights

cuz they'll need all the help they can get lol

 

[profterpen]

I have to agree level bottoms. Who knows Sinead O' might have a height advantage. Could be without using energy on the leafs all the plants Auxin could elongate the main stem¿ Then the other girls would be at a disadvantage.

 

[joe macclennan]

everything equal..except trimming techniques.

course we are trusting you to do this as it would be pretty easy to put bucket under them before and after pics

 

[stickybuds*]

so you are saying he should lift the defoliated plants to get them closer to the light?

sounds like a really unbiased plan.

they should all remain on the floor at the same level. Only with differing techniques for pruning or defoliation.

any plants you train should be lifted so the canopy is level, just think if you did a side by side UB topping vs untrained plant and did'nt lift the plants so the canopy was level

one plant could be 3 ft and the other plant 18" UB plant would turn out crap and the untrained plant would win hands down.

got to be a fair test, all plants get the same light and the yield is based on how much room they take

 

[joe macclennan]

lol they would get the same light if you didn't hack them to death.

it's not the the undefucked plants fault they are bigger and stronger.

 

[stickybuds*]

everything equal..except trimming techniques.

course we are trusting you to do this as it would be pretty easy to put bucket under them before and after pics

trimming techniques need a lot of light (600w) 12"-18" above the canopy, any higher just isn't going to work so I now the results before it starts

 

[racerboy71]

lol they would get the same light if you didn't hack them to death.

it's not the the undefucked plants fault they are bigger and stronger.

nah, that wouldn't have anything to do with one plant being healthy and the other, well, not, don't know where you get this info from.

 

[joe macclennan]

trimming techniques need a lot of light (600w) 12"-18" above the canopy, any higher just isn't going to work so I now the results before it starts

as do I

as do I

you can skew the results of this experiment in anyway you wish.

the fact remains that doing these things to a plant will only prolong veg time which reduces efficiency

will you get a neat looking bonzai plant with nice colas at the end?....Probably so.

but this isn't a bonzai forum I don't think

 

[stickybuds*]

yeh my plants are grown and shaped a bit like a bonzai tree and have nice even cola's at the end
I fill my flower room so I get that exact result after vegging my plants for 7 weeks and flowering for 9 weeks, yeh they do stay small too, 18-24" high is what I aim for with loads of 12"-18" long thick cola's on each plant, why would you not want plants like this ???????????????

 

[joe macclennan]

because i'd rather veg for less than a month and produce the same amount???

I dunno, call me crazy

 

[chuck estevez]

• You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to joe macclennan again.
• You're crazy