Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones

[lilroach]

Keep the canopy equal. As someone said, we're not trying to test lighting here. Variables should be kept to a minimum. Having an uneven canopy is a variable.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

tbh i see defoliation and training as a double edged sword

in my own experience yield can be increased but with that increase their can be a negative effect on quality , and tbh i think that goes for any technique meant to specifically increases yield, vs create a better/healthier/stronger plant


to sit back and puppet unclebennies advice like jesus christ himself walked on water to tell you about it, is well funny to watch

UB is the smae guy who says gas lantern technique has no basis in botany yet here i am three years later still using it for seeds and sexing as well as saving cash on electricity


i like to veg for long peroids of time, so what wanna fight about it, i liek to cycle runs and have ladies ready in wait to flower , so veg time is not relevant to my process, and yess more prunnign increases growth time needed, just as UB topping technique(hahaha laughable title) cuases a small stunt in growth at first then as the hormones production becomes atypical since their are now equally formed alternating nodes it grows with 3-6 tops ....depending on how you did it

pruning leaves just like pruning tops or branches will change the plants hormone sites ...if you knwo what to expect of your efforts it can be done with great results

 

[chuck estevez]

tbh i see defoliation and training as a double edged sword

in my own experience yield can be increased but with that increase their can be a negative effect on quality , and tbh i think that goes for any technique meant to specifically increases yield, vs create a better/healthier/stronger plant


to sit back and puppet unclebennies advice like jesus christ himself walked on water to tell you about it, is well funny to watch

UB is the smae guy who says gas lantern technique has no basis in botany yet here i am three years later still using it for seeds and sexing as well as saving cash on electricity


i like to veg for long peroids of time, so what wanna fight about it, i liek to cycle runs and have ladies ready in wait to flower , so veg time is not relevant to my process, and yess more prunnign increases growth time needed

the butthurt runs strong in this one!!!

 

[joe macclennan]

good retort, dont respond to the content just , defame and discredit in your feeble attempt to make me look as stupid as you.......but please run with it, please continue to profess a technique that you have not mastered doesn't work keeping doing your best to persuade others that you have any idea of what you speak off as usual

LST, FIM, Topping, bending, what ever the technique may be it can be utilized by experienced and smart growers to increase yield , when used properly and with care and understanding for what you are doing

ahh, finally an actual post instead of stupid one liners.

I didn't respond to the content before because there was no content in your post knucklehead.

and I never ever ever said that certain pruning techniques wont' increase yields....Nope! I never said that. You are twisting things to suit your purpose.

I only ever said that removing all the leaves wont' increase yields. And it certainly won't speed things up.

YOUR fallacy is showing

or your lack of comprehension...take your pick.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

the butthurt runs strong in this one!!!

another winner post by chuck, so much winning

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

YOUR fallacy is showing

or your lack of comprehension...take your pick.

please explain further exactly how are these evident ?

 

[joe macclennan]

tbh i see defoliation and training as a double edged sword

in my own experience yield can be increased but with that increase their can be a negative effect on quality , and tbh i think that goes for any technique meant to specifically increases yield, vs create a better/healthier/stronger plant


to sit back and puppet unclebennies advice like jesus christ himself walked on water to tell you about it, is well funny to watch

UB is the smae guy who says gas lantern technique has no basis in botany yet here i am three years later still using it for seeds and sexing as well as saving cash on electricity


i like to veg for long peroids of time, so what wanna fight about it, i liek to cycle runs and have ladies ready in wait to flower , so veg time is not relevant to my process, and yess more prunnign increases growth time needed, just as UB topping technique(hahaha laughable title) cuases a small stunt in growth at first then as the hormones production becomes atypical since their are now equally formed alternating nodes it grows with 3-6 tops ....depending on how you did it

pruning leaves just like pruning tops or branches will change the plants hormone sites ...if you knwo what to expect of your efforts it can be done with great results

if you are saying I puppet UB you are sorely mistaken. He and I do not see eye to eye most of the time. I do think much of his advice is founded in sound reasoning though...MOST of his advice not all.

and if you wanna veg. for long periods good on you...I guess. I don't see the benefit to wasting valuable time and energy but you go boy!

and taking leaves exclusively is not even close to the same thing as taking off small weaker shoots and branches....not even close.

your fallacy is showing now.

 

[joe macclennan]

another winner post by chuck, so much winning

oh but your one liners are so much more pertinent???????

you are funny

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

i never siad you supported him , i said the diatribe of "hey thats not horticulture" comes from his dubiously knowledgeable fans and supporters


so wheres that fallacy again

and yes to each their own i dont do what you do and wouldn't expect you to and same for you

but the topic at hand is does it help in any way and my experience based on both anecdotal experience and others as well as basic botany

if you defoliate you are changing the plants hormone production

this can be done with harm and benefit to the plant

understanding what you are doing is the first step in doing it right


why does a plant bend to the light, is that photo tropic response or is it becuase it get more light angeld a different way, anyone who grows outdoor will attest to that, and as we all agree light per square inch is the same outside everywhere, it can only be seen a away for the plant to grow more efficiently , leaves with direct sun light with produce more hormones if oyu remove those leaves other leaves will produce the hormones, from my experience defoliation is way to control hormone production just like bending or topping will change where the grow here hormones end up

if this is all to complex then pick up some reading material and learn what happens when your plants uptake nutrients and breath Co2, and photosynthesize

 

[joe macclennan]

please explain further exactly how are these evident ?

if you don't see the difference between extreme defoliation and topping and pruning and training?????

you are beyond my help my friend.

 

[^su]

Lol who am I kidding, go ahead and raise your defoliated plant and make an even canopy. Makes no difference, that plants gonna grow like shit.

 

[joe macclennan]

i never siad you supported him , i said the diatribe of "hey thats not horticulture" comes from his dubiously knowledgeable fans and supporters


so wheres that fallacy again

and yes to each their own i dont do what you do and wouldn't expect you to and same for you

but the topic at hand is does it help in any way and my experience based on both anecdotal experience and others as well as basic botany

if you defoliate you are changing the plants hormone production

this can be done with harm and benefit to the plant

understanding what you are doing is the first step in doing it right

you are being disingenuous at best.

if you defoliate you are changing much more than the plants hormonal production. You are slowing the entire plants production down too.

you really don't see this?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

if you don't see the difference between extreme defoliation and topping and pruning and training?????

you are beyond my help my friend.

i know the difference but i also can see teh similarities in that they have similar effects, taking a shower, falling in a puddle, jumping a lake, different ways to get wet

now go make me some money

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

you are being disingenuous at best.

if you defoliate you are changing much more than the plants hormonal production. You are slowing the entire plants production down too.

you really don't see this?

i never siad it wouldnt slow down growth a bit, i said it can be done with proper results as per the technique

when i run my cycles( efficiently) i can get 6 runs in a year .....its called efficiency i have plants that are in waiting that are bigger due to longer veg times and i have ones to go in after that and after that , one plant comes out(often in sets of 3 or 4) of the flower room and one replaces it, cant grow more plant then light permits so the wasting time thing is invalid as long as my cycles are running concurrently


now who's being disingenuous

you can take your sophistry back to mommas house ......

 

[stickybuds*]

lol@ BUGEYE. go ahead and try to give them any advantage you can...like I said

they will need em.

I can tell this test will be very scientific

no they wouldn't outdoors or anywhere.

shorter plants get less light....

less light = less growth

less leaves =less growth

all this shit

why is this hard to figure out?

yer you have the right ideal but miss the bigger picture, the reason why I Defoliation my plants is

shorter plants, easy to control but you can still pull oz's from each plant

less light = less growth - yeh that's right, trimming leaves on a shoot does slow that shoots growth down as the shoots getting less light, gives you more control over which shoot grows the quickest and this helps to control the canopy shape

less leaves =less growth - right again, I want to be able to keep my plants short at all times so Defoliation a few old large fan leaves does the job and gives me slower growth on the hole plant, so I can slow the stretch down in flower

I think you need to figure it out

I don't want a 6 ft plant in my flower room, we are taking about indoor grow so I want my plants to be about 18-24" high in flower under a 600w hps

 

[joe macclennan]

is there a hormonal distribution after defoliation? OF COURSE! there has to be! you raped the plant of all of it's leaves. Now the poor fucking thing has to work overtime to make up for what it has lost.

I liken defoliation to being raped by bubba the cell mate

and pruning/thinning to hot sex with this chick

I know which one I'd prefer

 

[^su]

yer you have the right ideal but miss the bigger picture, the reason why I Defoliation my plants is

shorter plants, easy to control but you can still pull oz's from each plant

less light = less growth - yeh that's right, trimming leaves on a shoot does slow that shoots growth down as the shoots getting less light, gives you more control over which shoot grows the quickest and this helps to control the canopy shape

less leaves =less growth - right again, I want to be able to keep my plants short at all times so Defoliation a few old large fan leaves does the job and gives me slower growth on the hole plant, so I can slow the stretch down in flower

I think you need to figure it out

I don't want a 6 ft plant in my flower room, we are taking about indoor grow so I want my plants to be about 18-24" high in flower under a 600w hps

No I think he sees the picture just fine and you just proved it to him.

 

[joe macclennan]

i never siad it wouldnt slow down growth a bit, i said it can be done with proper results as per the technique

when i run my cycles( efficiently) i can get 6 runs in a year .....its called efficiency i have plants that are in waiting that are bigger due to longer veg times and i have ones to go in after that and after that , one plant comes out(often in sets of 3 or 4) of the flower room and one replaces it, cant grow more plant then light permits so the wasting time thing is invalid as long as my cycles are running concurrently


now who's being disingenuous

you can take your sophistry back to mommas house ......

lol seedswell. yOU are too funny. seriously. You gonna tell me you veg for several months and then claim you are efficient??ROFLMAO! try again! FAIL

or throw some more insults to finish your post Prove to us all how you have to win

yer you have the right ideal but miss the bigger picture, the reason why I Defoliation my plants is

shorter plants, easy to control but you can still pull oz's from each plant

less light = less growth - yeh that's right, trimming leaves on a shoot does slow that shoots growth down as the shoots getting less light, gives you more control over which shoot grows the quickest and this helps to control the canopy shape

less leaves =less growth - right again, I want to be able to keep my plants short at all times so Defoliation a few old large fan leaves does the job and gives me slower growth on the hole plant, so I can slow the stretch down in flower

I think you need to figure it out

I don't want a 6 ft plant in my flower room, we are taking about indoor grow so I want my plants to be about 18-24" high in flower under a 600w hps

hmmm, I have sticky I have. I don't have to do those things you speak of to indoor plants yet my girls still end up roughly the same dimensions as yours with comparable yield when you factor in the less veg. time....hmmmm

 

[Bugeye]

lol@ BUGEYE. go ahead and try to give them any advantage you can...like I said

they will need em.

I can tell this test will be very scientific

no they wouldn't outdoors or anywhere.

shorter plants get less light....

less light = less growth

less leaves =less growth

all this shit

why is this hard to figure out?

You obviously have quite a nice stick up your butt on this topic. For the record, I have never defoliated a plant and my hypothesis is that a topped and trained plant will produce more grams per kwh than the defoliated plant. Pretty sure this is your hypothesis as well. But I'm not getting my pants in a bunch over the prospect of being proven wrong. If so, I probably won't defoliate anyway because my greenhouse is not as sterile as the profs and I have concerns about making disease easier to take hold.

In regards to light intensity, you may be surprised to learn that outdoors your lumens are the same at the top of a tall plant as they are at the top of a short plant. You can test this yourself very easily with a light meter.

 

[stickybuds*]

lol joe and su you have no ideal what you are talking about, my results speak for them self and in time you will know I am right
joe you are right I did rape one plant of all it's leaves and flower it off and pull a good yield, even turned it into a scrog in week two of flower and pulled 4 oz's just to prove it can be done !!!