MisterBlah
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Albeit over priced in my personally opinion, the Illumitex Neosol and Eclipse fixtures.
Designing a 15000sqft facility....please help
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SnapsProvolone
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I would not recommend LED as a primary lighting system. I have not used those LED's however I don't believe LED technology is there yet. Getting closer but not there yet.
It remains my assertion that going with LED for energy savings would cost yield.
Lets go with my 320 lights flowering. 1kW HPS with average performance would give us 2880 lbs/yr. Now if we lose just one percent it's 28.8 pounds. From my experience the losses will be much greater than one percent. So even if we save money on utilities we drop so much output that its a no go imho.
Soneone proves me wrong well ok but I've not seen any LED lighting that will be able to outrun a HPS in a side by side with all other things equal.
I do a hair over 2 lbs. per 1kW HPS, every 60 days with no veg. If an LED can do that on less energy I will buy me some.
It remains my assertion that going with LED for energy savings would cost yield.
Lets go with my 320 lights flowering. 1kW HPS with average performance would give us 2880 lbs/yr. Now if we lose just one percent it's 28.8 pounds. From my experience the losses will be much greater than one percent. So even if we save money on utilities we drop so much output that its a no go imho.
Soneone proves me wrong well ok but I've not seen any LED lighting that will be able to outrun a HPS in a side by side with all other things equal.
I do a hair over 2 lbs. per 1kW HPS, every 60 days with no veg. If an LED can do that on less energy I will buy me some.
MisterBlah
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Then be on the lookout over the next year.I would not recommend LED as a primary lighting system. I have not used those LED's however I don't believe LED technology is there yet. Getting closer but not there yet.
It remains my assertion that going with LED for energy savings would cost yield.
Lets go with my 320 lights flowering. 1kW HPS with average performance would give us 2880 lbs/yr. Now if we lose just one percent it's 28.8 pounds. From my experience the losses will be much greater than one percent. So even if we save money on utilities we drop so much output that its a no go imho.
Soneone proves me wrong well ok but I've not seen any LED lighting that will be able to outrun a HPS in a side by side with all other things equal.
I do a hair over 2 lbs. per 1kW HPS, every 60 days with no veg. If an LED can do that on less energy I will buy me some.
kinddiesel
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if your plan on using nothing but led a total joke for a ware house grow ha ha ha lmfao. then why not use a solar panel to run all the equipment ? just plug the lights into the wall for a second and shut it off because it will charge the solar panel and it will continue to run, free electric . lol if this guys actually posting on here for advice then he is just talking . only if I knew what they are paying a pound ????? he does not know yet . I have a great idea it will be 800 or less a pound of dry weed . those led will not give the yield of those power full 1000 watt hps open hoods you will have to run in that warehouse . so are you planning on using ac total joke as well . instead of venting the entire grow out side with massive fans . I bet you were planning on cool tubes in a ware house total garbage in your situation . I bet 1000 bucks this guy never gets the approval to grow and the money to put it together . he does not know whose palms to grease to get the papers finished . it will never open and if it does will be out of business with in a month because of working capital problems know as no money .
SnapsProvolone
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In order to vent to outside as you say, outside air would need to be cool. If it's a hot day your fucked. Secondly if it's bitter cold outside then you won't vent enough to remove humidity.
SnapsProvolone
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Not to mention yield hit due to inability to run CO2 would more than outweigh energy savings.
wrinkles88
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Where has the OP gone? I am interested in what becomes of this.
On a side note, how many posts do I need before I can PM?
On a side note, how many posts do I need before I can PM?
joe macclennan
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I don't think he ever planned on sticking around. He was just here to pick our brains for some bullet points to bring up to his consultant and such.
If he is even real.
If he is even real.
SnapsProvolone
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Yep. Methinks probably a hoax but a fun mental exercise either way.
igothydrotoneverywhere
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you can certainly produce more bud per year if you dont veg in the same room as flower, but you do have the added work of moving plants, but only if you dont engineer it(most places throw the fat girls on wheels). Most places do around 4-6 plants per light, to keep up with production, it doesnt make sense to veg less ,monster sized plants because they need to veg 2 months or more depending on strain. It would be easiest to do one plant per light and veg it for 3 months, its the most productive to do a Sea of green and literally have 16-36 plants per light flowered after just a week of veg. The good middle ground for 15k (around 100 lights?)sq ft is probably around 4-6 plants per light vegged for about a month. But most certainly you will see at least 30% more yield per light per year. You are already going to need a 24/7 vegroom for your mothers and clones anyway...
SnapsProvolone
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The HVAC solution is all about efficiency. If you have the funds to go full frog at this then you might see a long term return on the additional investment in water cooled or geothermal due to energy savings. Depends on implementation and maintenance cost differences.
JointOperation
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ya i would have hired a grower before a consultant.. especially if u want to provide quality meds.. thats a big setup either way you do it . so if ur going to help. id atleast hire 1 grower.. and ontop of that.. take his advice as to how to allow the best quality and quanity and to make it less work.. hydro is great.. but i would do COCO. u can reuse coco.. just cut out the rootball.. hit with cannazyme and BOOM.. plant a clone and go again.. works great.. and u can top feed coco. it likes to be kept moist.. and u get better taste n smell then hydro, with the yields and fast growth of hydro.. coco is great.. i run coco and soilless atm . but i wana go straight coco.
joe macclennan
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right, I would think an op of this scale would want to save their pennies in every way. digital ballast, high efficiency equipment r50+ insulation...the works.
those pennies add up long term. And I would think this would be relatively long term. I mean who would invest 2 million in something that will run for only 5 years?
SnapsProvolone
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Agreed. It's just a matter of how many years of savings it takes to offset cost increase.
I think it's brilliant. However OP mentioned scaling the build up and not doing it all at once, leading me to believe the funds aren't in the cards.
joe macclennan
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not a bad idea for many reasons. funds being one of them.
and as that mechanical and lighting are the two largest and most expensive components of a grow, going cheap would be telling as to intent and competence though imo.
SnapsProvolone
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I've always been from the school of complete build then grow pot.
If they have the money and the market then why wait? Finish the build then scale up use as needed.
If they have the money and the market then why wait? Finish the build then scale up use as needed.
Funds are available for a complete build. Land has been purchased already and 30000sqft industrial warehouse build is beginning in 4-6 months. Thats about 3-4 mil of an investment already made by the investors. Only reason I said that were thinking of staging the grow is because of health Canada licensing process. This can take about 8 more months. As well at that point it might take some time to build the clientele to reach anywhere near full capacity. Basically a client with a prescription has the choice of who to use for their meds from the list of licensed producers from Health Canada. If they choose your company then the prescription is good for 1 year and we would mail out the meds once per month. As well by staging the grow, it would give us an opportunity to tweak what we discover in the beginning, if needed, when we expand into the rest of the space.
Currently in talks with a guy from GGS Structures Inc., a hydroponics company out of Ontario. Supposedly they have a lot of experience in large commercial grows. Still preliminary talk though. When the facility drawings are complete their suppose to put together a proposal and cost estimate of a custom system for our space. From what he's mentioned there systems are fully automated with many back up features and full control remotely if needed.
SnapsProvolone
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So not 500 kW?
Joe, what do you recommend for climate control solution? I know oversizing a traditional unit is generally asking for freeze ups. Maybe a chiller for each flowering room?
Joe, what do you recommend for climate control solution? I know oversizing a traditional unit is generally asking for freeze ups. Maybe a chiller for each flowering room?