molasses good or bad

chuck estevez

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Text from Dr. Elaine Ingham:
Bacteria grow well and rapidly on simple sugars to exclusion of any fungus, until sugar concentration becomes extremely high. The simple preservative effect with molasses is the high concentration of sugar. Most organisms cannot grow in the high concentration of sugar. Once a container of molasses is sealed, however, condensate can form on the under-side of the lid if the container suffers heating cooling cycles. As the water drips into the top layer of the molasses concentrate, the sugar content can be diluted enough to allow fungal or actinobacterial growth as a surface scum. Just skim off the surface scum before use in soil, compost, or tea. Do not feed to animals or humans after a surface scum has formed unless you can recognise the organism as non-harmful.

Addition of foods that cause rapid bacterial growth can tie-up nitrate nitrogen so fast, and so effectively that plant growth can be harmed, and even stopped. Bacteria win in competition with plants for N in soil, and thus plants can be killed as the result of lack of N. Of course, the solution to this problem is NOT to kill the bacteria, but rather to establish normal nutrient cycling processes once again. How? Get the protozoa and bacterial-feeding nematodes back to work!

Non-sulphured, Black-strap Molasses: Contains no preservative other than the high concentration of sugar. Black-strap molasses contains about 150 different kinds of sugars, from simple to somewhat complex to humics. During the extraction of sugar, heating results in condensation of the sugars into humic-like substances. The majority of foods in molasses are bacterial foods, but a few are fungal foods. Fungi tolerate high concentrations of sugar better than bacteria, so extremely high concentrations of molasses favour fungi. Testing must be performed to assess what concentration is needed to select for fungi and against bacteria in any particular set of conditions. Testing is also needed when using as a nitrate-to-bacterial biomass converter.

Weed control is often STARTED with addition of molasses to tie-up the excess nitrate helping to set the stage in the soil to grow weeds, and not the plants you want to grow. Assess the calcium situation as well, however, because if you add molasses to grow lots of bacteria, and your soil has poor structure, you may just drive the soil into reduced oxygen conditions, which can result in plant death as well. As Arden Anderson says, "No number is right until all numbers are right". Or as Elaine Ingham says, "What's the most important organ in your body? And you can stay alive with just that one, most important item? You need all your organs, right? Soil needs all the organisms, in the right numbers and right balance and right function".

Organic Molasses: No strong acids or bases, nor extremely high heat are allowed in the production of organic molasses. No preservatives can be used. Because of the lower temperatures used, less condensation of the sugars occur, so fewer condensed, humic materials are present compared to non-sulphured, black-strap molasses

Feed Grade Molasses: Commercial grade molasses has sulphur and possibly other preservatives and antibiotics added to reduce fungal growth. Sulphur in most inorganic forms make excellent fungal inhibitors. Antibiotics will inhibit, kill and prevent the growth a wide range, but not all bacteria and fungi. Thus feed grade molasses is not a good choice for a biological stimulant. Care must be taken to read about the ingredients so no ugly little surprises confront you and you don't get the response you want to see.

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chuck estevez

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if thats all your using yes it does and no need to be nasty if you don't agree with me thats all ya half to say
Because you are making up stuff that isn't true, you just think it does that, read what i posted and learn, don't post B.S. If I added molasses to my apple trees, they aren't going to taste any different than apples.
 

greeno63

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i have read yours and many others as well everyone has there way of doing things some of the stuff we have read and seen in vids so in other words I'm not saying your wrong or I'm wrong but what we have seen and read too thats why we r trying it
 

greeno63

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Because you are making up stuff that isn't true, you just think it does that, read what i posted and learn, don't post B.S. If I added molasses to my apple trees, they aren't going to taste any different than apples.
and I'm not saying the molasses is going to make it change taste you don't get a chemical taste if your not using chemicals
 

chuck estevez

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and I'm not saying the molasses is going to make it change taste you don't get a chemical taste if your not using chemicals
I ONLY use chemical nutrients and I Don't have chemical tasting bud. WHY? because I don't overfeed. The plant doesn't know if it gets the ions from a salt based fert or organic. And molasses is for feeding microbes in soil, it has nothing to do with the taste of the bud. Good genetics,proper nutrition,proper harvest window,drying and curing properly. that is what makes great tasting bud.
 

greeno63

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ok here is the blueberry and i think it has bananas she is going on the 7th week should we pull her out i have 3 more white domina's in same tent no nanners ?? sorry some pick r blurry there are at least three buds with them on it just one bud IMG_1808.jpgIMG_1809.jpg IMG_1810.jpg IMG_1811.jpg IMG_1812.jpg IMG_1813.jpg IMG_1808.jpg IMG_1809.jpg
 

greeno63

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I ONLY use chemical nutrients and I Don't have chemical tasting bud. WHY? because I don't overfeed. The plant doesn't know if it gets the ions from a salt based fert or organic. And molasses is for feeding microbes in soil, it has nothing to do with the taste of the bud. Good genetics,proper nutrition,proper harvest window,drying and curing properly. that is what makes great tasting bud.
alrighty then
and you can fix stupid LOL
take a look at pics if you wouldn't mind
 

frizzlegooch

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My advice to newbies is try the stuff out on a cheap house plant. See what happens.
I suck at house plants lol cannabis seems to be my greenthumb.
All that info though chuck and none of it really answered my question in full. What is fancy molasses and is it good enough to use? i cant find "unsulfured" blackstrap
 
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