Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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So Saturday is chop day? Are you going to take a wet weight or keep us guessing till they're dry? It would be interesting to see if they're carrying the same percentage of water. I know a guy that claims his set up is so dialed in that he weighs it wet then he can calculate the weight loss for when it's ready for jarring,no bending stems or taking humidity levels.
 
Oddjob

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This time around I'd like to see more of the final cured product and for both sides. Maybe break open some buds from each as well.
 
stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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Now...
Not trying to be a smartass ...(I guess I don't have to try much ...:P...)

But ....

In the freezer ?

If I remember correctly ....

mj is a resinous plant ...
THC & the rest of cannabinoids,are inside the resin glands ...
If resin ( or the glands) gets cold ,it solidifies ...'Hardens'....

And resin glands 'drop-off' quite easily from the plant tissue ...
With the slightest movement/ agitation /shake...
(Isn't that a way to get hash ,also ? By treating with freezing cold water ? )

Is it just my imagination,or it is a really bad idea to put mj plant matter in the fridge ?
(except if you want to collect the resin glands ...Then, things change ..)

Edit:

Furthermore ...
Some organic chemistry,now ...

Low temps will not enhance/speed up 'curing' ....


'Curing' aka decarboxylation is aided by heat ...
(No,it is also a bad idea to heat mj,in order to cure it faster ...just let it dry ..)

Organic acid +heat or drying up =alcohol +CO2
THCA =>THC +CO2

cannabinoidsynthesis.jpg



" Heating is required because the reaction is less favorable at low temperatures "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decarboxylation


????

( Greengenes,I'm sorry for the off-topic...)
 
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PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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MrFlux said:
Does it cure in the freezer or is it just drying?
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stardustsailor said:
Now...
Not trying to be a smartass ...(I guess I don't have to try much ...:P...)

But ....

In the freezer ?

If I remember correctly ....

mj is a resinous plant ...
THC & the rest of cannabinoids,are inside the resin glands ...
If resin ( or the glands) gets cold ,it solidifies ...'Hardens'....

And resin glands 'drop-off' quite easily from the plant tissue ...
With the slightest movement/ agitation /shake...
(Isn't that a way to get hash ,also ? By treating with freezing cold water ? )

Is it just my imagination,or it is a really bad idea to put mj plant matter in the fridge ?
(except if you want to collect the resin glands ...Then, things change ..)

Edit:

Furthermore ...
Some organic chemistry,now ...

Low temps will not enhance/speed up 'curing' ....


'Curing' aka decarboxylation is aided by heat ...
(No,it is also a bad idea to heat mj,in order to cure it faster ...just let it dry ..)

Organic acid +heat or drying up =alcohol +CO2
THCA =>THC +CO2

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" Heating is required because the reaction is less favorable at low temperatures "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decarboxylation


????

( Greengenes,I'm sorry for the off-topic...)
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sorry for the off topic GG on your wonderful thread:)

Everything you need to know about this KISS curing system can be found here mr flux

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186222 the simplicity alone got me hooked

SDS my friend you dry them first and finish/cure in a frost free freezer.........that's it

try it, really nothing to lose.........I can't go back
 
stardustsailor

stardustsailor

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PSUAGRO,still I can't see any logical explanation for the freezer thing ...
(and the low temps incorporated ...)

Hey...I'm not trying to argue with you...o_O..
I'm just posting what I know..I might be wrong ..
Or I might learn something new here ...:P..


Still,I gave you some facts ....
I do not see how freezing helps curing ...
Except if decarboxylation of mj is an ....exception to the general rule ....
Chemistry says otherwise than
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186222

..And from what I can see at the pic ....
The freezed bud ,still has plenty of chlorophyll ...
(and probably plenty of starch instead of sugars )
While in what exact conditions the other one was kept ,remain unknown ...
( airtight container in dark environment at room temperature. ???? )
More of a 'religion' thing and not science ....
Where's the hard facts ?

Oh ...It's one of Ed's stories ...
LOL :dunce:....
Ok ...
I give up ...
You can trust the 'Myth'....

Edit: Although low temps keep all the volatile terpenes ( aromas ) in tact ...
Other than that ....
 
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hyroot

hyroot

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PSUAGRO. said:
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sorry for the off topic GG on your wonderful thread:)

Everything you need to know about this KISS curing system can be found here mr flux

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186222 the simplicity alone got me hooked

SDS my friend you dry them first and finish/cure in a frost free freezer.........that's it

try it, really nothing to lose.........I can't go back
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I haven't had any room to throw anything in the freezer. You want your freezer to be empty and frost free.. Which I have. Its full. I stocked up tough at Costco and trader joes a week ago.

I do slow dry hash in the fridge though. Perfect temp and humidity levels.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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captainmorgan said:
So Saturday is chop day? Are you going to take a wet weight or keep us guessing till they're dry? It would be interesting to see if they're carrying the same percentage of water. I know a guy that claims his set up is so dialed in that he weighs it wet then he can calculate the weight loss for when it's ready for jarring,no bending stems or taking humidity levels.
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Pretty much.
I don't believe in/know enough about wet weight. I never even heard about it or even knew people weighed their plants wet until I read it online only about a year ago. Reminds me of lumens...it might work apple to apples, but is it right/perfect?...Not really. Just my thoughts.
Dry is all that matters and dry isa ll that will get weighed.
Oddjob said:
This time around I'd like to see more of the final cured product and for both sides. Maybe break open some buds from each as well.
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I will have photos up here like last time. I will have more to show now with the different sides. And a video after it is weighed out and tested, plus my final thoughts.
Chronikool said:
There have been other roundz?

Really good grow 'Genie....great service for the community. :)
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Thanks man.
Between all of us in the circle ;) (if you have to ask...) we have put together a hell of a knowledge and think tank. DIY is getting ground breaking and will only help the world as a whole is my hope. Plus users proving and disproving of manufacturer lights of all brands. Big things go down in this little sub section.





As fars as curing goes...I don't subscribe to the freezer method.
You don't need a long cur if you dry it right. Till the main stem cracks...then into jars for 2 weeks. Ideal for then and many mont after. I'm still smoking on blue dream from my 2012 outdoor. It's been properly died, cured, and stored. Still knock you dick in the dirt.

Curing is a quick-ish process(about 2weeks) for the most part when dried correctly before the cure/jar process.
In the jar...
First the bud moistures all even out...this is when it is perfectly smokeable and know one should really be able to tell anything but..."holy fuck this is dank".
After that and the humidity/moisture is stabilized then it continues the total curing process(which has been going on the whole time as well).

I like 60F and 60%RH. Patience is a virtue for this...I say quick sometimes, but never rush...It's ready when it's ready.

And one of the first things my dad told me was don't freeze it...fridge if it will be stored for a while. But that is why we grow it, no need to store it, always fresh and prime time.
Just a basic understanding of good bubble techniques and you would never put flowers you wanted to smoke in the freezer.
 
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Chronikool

Chronikool

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Greengenes707 said:
Thanks man.
Between all of us in the circle ;) (if you have to ask...) we have put together a hell of a knowledge and think tank. DIY is getting ground breaking and will only help the world as a whole is my hope. Plus users proving and disproving of manufacturer lights of all brands. Big things go down in this little sub section.
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I've alwayz wondered what happenz in the 'circle'....i can only imagine....i bet you need to be wearing Method 7's in there... (<<<<<did i just make a light geek equipment joke...?) :)
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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captainmorgan said:
Just thought I would mention it because you brought up the theory about the HPS side holding more water because of temps and expanded cells.
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Good point.
But it's just not worth it to me. The end results is all that will matter. That is a lot of we buds to weigh...plus stems that won't be taken out till after the drying.
Maybe one bud from each for a reference/small scale theory testing.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Chronikool said:
I've alwayz wondered what happenz in the 'circle'....i can only imagine....i bet you need to be wearing Method 7's in there... (<<<<<did i just make a light geek equipment joke...?) :)
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Thought you were one of the board members and field applications engineer of spectral progression crop rotation.

haha...method sevens will go out of business once all these high CRI white led's(comparatively to hps and R/B led) show the world more and more what's up.
 
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hyroot

hyroot

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Greengenes707 said:
As fars as curing goes...I don't subscribe to the freezer method.
You don't need a long cur if you dry it right. Till the main stem cracks...then into jars for 2 weeks. Ideal for then and many mont after. I'm still smoking on blue dream from my 2012 outdoor. It's been properly died, cured, and stored. Still knock you dick in the dirt.
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I don't think I want to smoke that . I don't want to have to put an ice pack on my nuts...o_O... How the hell do you hold on to weed for 2 years. friggin you and Mo got hiding places that you forget about..... if my weed sits for longer than a few months. it turns into hash. the next batch is better...
 
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