I'd like someone to accurately tell me why

Blunter the kid said:
I doubt removing the carboxyl group from THC itself would cause any difference in consistency, I imagine what really makes it turn goopy when u heat it is the waxes and pigments are gettig too hot and so they degrade, especially chlorophylls, which are known to turn your oil dark and goopy when heated to degradation... What was this thread even about, just a pissing contest?
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no it wasn't, maybe you should go back through and read it.
 
qwizoking said:
they feel the act of removing the carboxyl group would create goo...
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I'll give this a shot. I'm surprised you missed this one because you're all over wiki.
"Carboxylic acids are polar. Because they are both hydrogen-bond acceptors (the carbonyl -C=O) and hydrogen-bond donors (the hydroxyl -OH), they also participate in hydrogen bonding. Together the hydroxyl and carbonyl group forms the functional group carboxyl. Carboxylic acids usually exist as dimeric pairs in nonpolar media due to their tendency to “self-associate.” Smaller carboxylic acids (1 to 5 carbons) are soluble in water, whereas higher carboxylic acids are less soluble due to the increasing hydrophobic nature of the alkyl chain. These longer chain acids tend to be rather soluble in less-polar solvents such as ethers and alcohols.[5]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carboxylic_acid
Remember that H-bonding occurs with a highly electronegative atom (N,O,F) in the center, so lose the oxygen with CO2 and you'll lose the H-bonding.
 
you have to have read my winterizing quote?
lmao, I'm insulted you would think I don't know that..I've talked about it a million times. Good try though, can tell your trying but that's the obvious conclusion and this thread wouldn't have been started if it was so simple

dropping the carboxyl group lowers melting temp about 20°... still double room temp
 
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qwizoking said:
you have to have read my winterizing quote?
lmao, I'm insulted you would think I don't know that..I've talked about it a million times. Good try though, can tell your trying but that's the obvious conclusion and this thread wouldn't have been started if it was so simple

dropping the carboxyl group lowers melting temp about 20°... still double room temp
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answer this: is pure thc a solid at room temp?
 
yes it is.
I've worked with pure synthesized delta 9
off memory (and I am a bit inebriated) it's about 140°f melting point, 160 ish for thca
 
qwizoking said:
yes it is.
I've worked with pure synthesized delta 9
off memory (and I am a bit inebriated) it's about 140°f
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well that's what my research suggests.

if it's oxidation of the thc then it's the conversion to cbn that's the culprit.
 
Blunter the kid said:
I doubt removing the carboxyl group from THC itself would cause any difference in consistency, I imagine what really makes it turn goopy when u heat it is the waxes and pigments are gettig too hot and so they degrade, especially chlorophylls, which are known to turn your oil dark and goopy when heated to degradation... What was this thread even about, just a pissing contest?
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I'm feelin the same thing....Pissing Contest With Whom Though????
 
how could this thread be a pissing contest?
doesn't even make sense
why did you post?

this thread is to make a point
everyone knows I dislike misinfo
 
topic for a whole nother thread I don't feel like going into.
but for a liquid we decarb it chemically, actually weed is the only thing ive ever decarbed not in solution
 
qwizoking said:
how could this thread be a pissing contest?
doesn't even make sense
why did you post?

this thread is to make a point
everyone knows I dislike misinfo
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actually i've been curious about this for a while.
so, qwiz, in your past experience, did you ever have the opportunity to observe pure thc degrade?
if so what was the result?

the fact that pure thc is a solid, pretty much debunks the thc-a conversion concept.
 
qwizoking said:
yes I've watched pure thc degrade it slowly turns red-brown and hardens, more brittle
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so i assume it chemically converted to cbn?

next question, if i purge my flower jar with argon or nitrogen, store it in a dark freezer, why would it ever change, (assuming those initial conditions are maintained)?
 
Well one can't assume that. cbn is but one byproduct and formed mainly at higher temps and with oxidation relatively slowly from my experience but the isomers are far more likely to appear and account for discoloration and change in stability....they can get oily
 
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qwizoking said:
Well one can't assume that. cbn is but one byproduct and formed mainly at higher temps and with oxidation relatively slowly from my experience but the isomers are far more likely to appear and account for discoloration and change in stability.
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hmm, interesting --- what isomers?

the elevated temp and/or photo energy? take a single gland, (trich), it'll degrade at room over time, provided there's a light source. (yes, i know there's all the -acids converting as well). stick that single gland into an inert, low energy environment and now what happens --- not much i suspect?

don't you wish you had a hplc in your kitchen!
 
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