Equal Rights vs Equal Pay

[yktind]

I have to think that your odds of getting a bank loan are better than 1 in 175,000,000.

Your right though, it is difficult... Life is difficult. Demanding a higher minimum wage is a lot easier than trying to figure how to make more money or how to qualify for a loan. It takes a lot of work and a shit load of luck. Also not all businesses need a loan to get started. There is a book called ~Shit can't remember the name, something like trading up, whatever~ it is a bout a guy that starts with a paper clip and trades it for a pen, then trades the pen for some paper, etc, etc. Not sure if it is a real story but still a pretty cool read.

Anything can be done. There will always be nay sayers. The difference is trying. Is Equal rights the same as equal pay...? Is someone on welfare that is struggling and looking for a job different then someone that is on welfare taking advantage. Hell yeah there is a difference and it was unfair to classify everyone together.

I suppose the point of this thread is to say. Stop blaming unfair wages, the man, Walmart, Wendy's, etc. Get out there and change something.

So for the RIU users that are reading this. What can said people do to change their circumstances?

 

[NoDrama]

The people who work at Wal Mart accepted the wage that was offered to them. Costco has half the employees per square foot as Wal Mart, are only found in affluent areas and sells mostly in bulk. A completely different business model. The average employee at Costco makes more than a wally world employee because they generally end up staying at costco for a much longer career period than a simple part time worker bee at Wal Mart. While Costco starting wage is $11.50 per hour and Wal Mart is state Min Wage. The only increase in spending in the USA is by the affluent and much less spending is done by the middle classes and lower due to rough economic times. Poor people don't really shop at costco, they shop at wal mart.

The reason why we need to raise the min wage has everything to do with the inflation tax that government has brainwashed people into believing is necessary for a good economy. Inflation is a bad thing and we would be better off with deflation, but the financial players and wall Street can't make money if we did that, and their money is what fuels politics sooooo..........

 

[yktind]

Here is one problem with raising minimum wage:

Let's say I am CEO of Blah Blah Groceries, or Store Manager, Whatever. You tell me that I have to increase the wages of my lowest workers...

Those workers will either be fired or the produce and other food items will be increased.

As CEO or whatever the last thing I am going to do is take a hit on profits.

 

[NoDrama]

Robots are the answer. Then we can all retire on our good looks cuz the robots will do all the work.

 

[UncleBuck]

Here is one problem with raising minimum wage:

Let's say I am CEO of Blah Blah Groceries, or Store Manager, Whatever. You tell me that I have to increase the wages of my lowest workers...

Those workers will either be fired or the produce and other food items will be increased.

As CEO or whatever the last thing I am going to do is take a hit on profits.

wanna run the numbers and see who comes out ahead?

we've done it before, and i know who comes out ahead in the end, but let me know if you want to play the game too. it's educational and helps break people of the conservative dogma that does not play out in the real world.

 

[yktind]

wanna run the numbers and see who comes out ahead?

we've done it before, and i know who comes out ahead in the end, but let me know if you want to play the game too. it's educational and helps break people of the conservative dogma that does not play out in the real world.

Actually, yes. I would like to see the numbers and/ or a real life example. I could be wrong, especially since I am not a CEO or Store Manager of XYZ groceries.

I just find it hard to believe that they would dip into profits to give everyone a raise.

I have one real world example of what happened when companies were forced to give full time employees health care. At a local golf course country club where my cousin works they dropped everyone's hours to 30 or less. This is because the law required full time employees, I believe 35+ hours/ week (if your company has 50 + employees, which they do) to provide/ offer employees health care benefits. They have since given employers extensions on the mandatory health care, however no one's hours have gone up and my cousin now has two jobs. (He kept the country club job because he gets to golf for free).

This is an example of a business not dipping into profits to appease a new law. It is showing the loop hole that any smart business owner would most likely take.

 

[UncleBuck]

Actually, yes. I would like to see the numbers and/ or a real life example.

alright, let's go to the BLS numbers. this is just a copy and paste of a previous post.

a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482 (restricted data set, sorry)
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap



all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).





when lower income people have more money to spend (from a min wage increase) they spend pretty much all of it and save none of it. this leads to higher demand, which is the difference between the raise in prices (21%-88%) and the raise in wages (116%).

it's just simple math and economics.

 

[Dr Kynes]

alright, let's go to the BLS numbers. this is just a copy and paste of a previous post.

a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482 (restricted data set, sorry)
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap

all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).

when lower income people have more money to spend (from a min wage increase) they spend pretty much all of it and save none of it. this leads to higher demand, which is the difference between the raise in prices (21%-88%) and the raise in wages (116%).

it's just simple math and economics.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thats the same bullshit you used against me a few moths ago, i PROVED those prices were bullshit, created to maintain the illusion of zero inflation, by a govt agency tasked with proving theres no inflation, and NOBODY can find those products at any store unless they use triple coupons at the super discount expired food store, and even then, they wont get those prices on subsidized products like milk, cuz those are PRICE FIXED by the states.

last summer, the Minimum price you were Legally Allowed to sell milk for was $3.99/gal in calif.

in 2010, if you could buy coffee at $3.56/pound, you could have made a killing reselling it at the wholesale market price

plus the fed Min Wage in 1988 was paid in 1988 dollars, when a 12 oz can of coca cola was $0.25 (now $1.25. thats 500% more BTW) and a pack of camels cost $2 (now $7 which would be 350% more) and a gallon of gasoline was $0.75 (now ~$4.00, which is also 500% more)

another Buckpost full of already debunked lies.

 

[UncleBuck]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha thats the same bullshit you used against me a few moths ago, i PROVEDE those prices were bullshit, created to maintain the illusion of zero inflation, by a govt agency tasked with proving theres no inflation, and NOBODY can find those products at any store unless they use triple coupons at the super discount expired food store, and even then, they wont get those prices on subsidized products like milk, cuz those are PRICE FIXED by the states.

last summer, the Minimum price you were Legally Allowed to sell milk for was $3.99/gal in calif.

in 2010, if you could buy coffee at $3.56/pound, you could have made a killing reselling it at the wholesale market price

another Buckpost full of already debunked lies.

88% price increase in eggs is barely "zero inflation", but then again all you can ever do is lie.

these are BLS numbers from all over the nation averaged.

just because you are poor and live in a food desert and are forced to subsist on whatever remnants you can find at the ghetto corner store while swooping up your smokes and rotgut does not disprove a thing.

 

[Dr Kynes]

88% price increase in eggs is barely "zero inflation", but then again all you can ever do is lie.

these are BLS numbers from all over the nation averaged.

just because you are poor and live in a food desert and are forced to subsist on whatever remnants you can find at the ghetto corner store while swooping up your smokes and rotgut does not disprove a thing.

 

[yktind]

alright, let's go to the BLS numbers. this is just a copy and paste of a previous post.

a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482 (restricted data set, sorry)
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap


all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).


when lower income people have more money to spend (from a min wage increase) they spend pretty much all of it and save none of it. this leads to higher demand, which is the difference between the raise in prices (21%-88%) and the raise in wages (116%).

it's just simple math and economics.

Holly shit! Where can I go get those prices???? I just paid $3.99 for a 18 eggs. I've been getting ripped off. I just bought chicken for $3.99/ lb, which is funny because it was organic. The regular chicken which was double the size breast was $5.49/ lb. (Just because it was bigger people will think it is a deal. Good job Vons. Almost fooled me too but I always figure out unit pricing).

I am southern CA in case you want to price check anything.

Are those numbers supposed to be the national average? How come it isn't all from the same years? Did the prices go even hire from 2010 to 2012? Also we are in 2014 now the pricing is higher still.

Our Minimum wage is Currently $8/ hour.
https://www.dir.ca.gov/iwc/MinimumWageHistory.htm

Does anyone have a comparison chart of the National Average Minimum Wage vs. National Average Price of Milk, over say 60 years? Really you can compare any grocery item that would have a national average price. I am curious to see what it would look like.

 

[UncleBuck]

Holly shit! Where can I go get those prices???? I just paid $3.99 for a 18 eggs. I've been getting ripped off. I just bought chicken for $3.99/ lb, which is funny because it was organic. The regular chicken which was double the size breast was $5.49/ lb. (Just because it was bigger people will think it is a deal. Good job Vons. Almost fooled me too but I always figure out unit pricing).

I am southern CA in case you want to price check anything.

Are those numbers supposed to be the national average? How come it isn't all from the same years? Did the prices go even hire from 2010 to 2012? Also we are in 2014 now the pricing is higher still.

Our Minimum wage is Currently $8/ hour.
https://www.dir.ca.gov/iwc/MinimumWageHistory.htm

Does anyone have a comparison chart of the National Average Minimum Wage vs. National Average Price of Milk, over say 60 years? Really you can compare any grocery item that would have a national average price. I am curious to see what it would look like.

the BLS numbers are out there, feel free to look them up yourself.

the conservative dogma is once again predictably false.

 

[yktind]

the BLS numbers are out there, feel free to look them up yourself.

the conservative dogma is once again predictably false.

I don't really count that as a win, dude. What about these questions:

So what is our solution then? If you don't like how much money you are making, what do you do?
Demand that we increase minimum wage?
Start a Business, if you qualify for a loan?
Look for a better job?
Go to school, if you qualify for loans, etc?
Sell Drugs on the side?
Say Fuck it and try to qualify for as many programs as possible?
Get a second job?
Steal a car a sell it for parts?

or Is it your belief that increasing minimum wage is the solution and there will not be consequences as far our groceries, paychecks and normal living expenses are concerned?

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't really count that as a win, dude.

yeah, the numbers are totally lying. better call the BLS and start restricting their dataset to southern california. it's not like san diego and LA re known to a be a tad more expensive than the rest of the nation or anything.

 

[yktind]

yeah, the numbers are totally lying. better call the BLS and start restricting their dataset to southern california. it's not like san diego and LA re known to a be a tad more expensive than the rest of the nation or anything.

Hold on forgot to add in my point, lol.

Edit: Smoke Break

 

[kelly4]

so who flips the burgers and cleans the toilets after everyone bootstraps up to success just like you did?

Dropouts. Someone kind of like you...minus the rich in-laws.

 

[UncleBuck]

Is it your belief that increasing minimum wage is the solution and there will not be consequences as far our groceries, paychecks and normal living expenses are concerned?

do you think whiny conservative dogma becomes true if you repeat it enough?

do you honestly think at this point anyone believes that conservatives actually worry about these things as they rail against food stamps because you "shouldn't feed the animals"?

just shut up.

 

[kelly4]

Robots are the answer. Then we can all retire on our good looks cuz the robots will do all the work.

So, you are saying that I should invest in factories and robot sales? Hmmmm...

 

[kelly4]

alright, let's go to the BLS numbers. this is just a copy and paste of a previous post.

a dozen eggs, august 1988: $0.909
a dozen eggs, august 2011: $1.711

+88%

gallon of milk, august 1995: $2.482 (restricted data set, sorry)
gallon of milk, august 2013: $3.448

+39%

bananas, june 1988: $0.501
bananas, june 2012: $0.605

+21%

coffee, march 1988: $2.634
coffee, march 2010: $3.565

+35%

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ap


all of this while the min wage went from $3.35 to $7.25, meaning it more than doubled (+116%).


when lower income people have more money to spend (from a min wage increase) they spend pretty much all of it and save none of it. this leads to higher demand, which is the difference between the raise in prices (21%-88%) and the raise in wages (116%).

it's just simple math and economics.

It don't say shit 'bout no Bigmac's...

 

[yktind]

We will never agree Buck.

It must be nice living in a fantasy.Unicorns and rainbows everyone is equal no one has to work and the GOV takes care of everyone