Noob wanting to go organic

[earthling420]

So ive read avout enzymes with the sprouts and coconut water. My question is what coconut water will work? and which is the most beneficial of th two? How often do I use them?

Also, Im not making my own soil yet, but if I was to use AN organic, would ph regulation be necessary? Thanks for all the help

 

[Pattahabi]

I use 1/4 tsp per gallon once or twice a week. All the brands I have found include organic tapioca dextrin.

http://www.amazon.com/Navitas-Naturals-Organic-Coconut-5-8-Ounce/dp/B009AS4DEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402872708&sr=8-1&keywords=coconut water powder

http://www.znaturalfoods.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=d11c643699d683dceb8b5cf2a07ea94e&keyword=coconut water powder&x=0&y=0

Mix your own soil imo. Coot soil recipe is what I use:

33% Sphagnum Peat Moss
33% Aeration
33% High Quality EWC and/or Vermicompost
(some poeple run 50%/25%/25% Ratios)

To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:

1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal

4 cups of some minerals - rock dust (See Below)

The Rock Dust Recipe
4x - Glacial Rock Dust - Canadian Glacial (Gaia Green label)
1x - Bentonite - from the pottery supply store
1x - Oyster Shell Powder - the standard product from San Francisco Bay
1x - Basalt - from Redmond, Oregon (new product at Concentrates - about $18.00)


Depending on what you have available some adjustments can be made.

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[Joe Buddens]

That basalt is the shizz.

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[vostok]

Strange but is my observation that those who make their own organics do it, with cannabis as a side line, like 95% of the time these organic guys are messing with their teas, and garden cannabis 5% of the time, as opposed to DWC guys that garden cannabis 95 % of the time and 5 % cleaning up ....lol

Those that still use soil grows, (me) and organic teas is 50% of the time growing cannabis and 10% making organic teas and what not, 40% getting blazzed, start slow start with some Comfy tea soaking in a hemp bag for 2 months, ease yourself in ...slow ...much to learn!

you may not be popular with your neighbors ...lol

 

[anzohaze]

Taking it slow is the key...don't jump into it or your run into lots of problens

 

[earthling420]

I use 1/4 tsp per gallon once or twice a week. All the brands I have found include organic tapioca dextrin.

http://www.amazon.com/Navitas-Naturals-Organic-Coconut-5-8-Ounce/dp/B009AS4DEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402872708&sr=8-1&keywords=coconut water powder

http://www.znaturalfoods.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&zenid=d11c643699d683dceb8b5cf2a07ea94e&keyword=coconut water powder&x=0&y=0

Mix your own soil imo. Coot soil recipe is what I use:

33% Sphagnum Peat Moss
33% Aeration
33% High Quality EWC and/or Vermicompost
(some poeple run 50%/25%/25% Ratios)

To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:

1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal

4 cups of some minerals - rock dust (See Below)

The Rock Dust Recipe
4x - Glacial Rock Dust - Canadian Glacial (Gaia Green label)
1x - Bentonite - from the pottery supply store
1x - Oyster Shell Powder - the standard product from San Francisco Bay
1x - Basalt - from Redmond, Oregon (new product at Concentrates - about $18.00)


Depending on what you have available some adjustments can be made.

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sweet! thanks for the soil recipe as well. just curious what kind of
results you get with it and if you've tried super soil? And when you say 4 cups of minerals. that's just the rock dust right? then you do 1 cup of the other stuff? also do you let that soi bake?

 

[earthling420]

can you use too much seed sprout tea or coconut water?

 

[Pattahabi]

sweet! thanks for the soil recipe as well. just curious what kind of
results you get with it and if you've tried super soil? And when you say 4 cups of minerals. that's just the rock dust right? then you do 1 cup of the other stuff? also do you let that soi bake?

I did super soil for about a year before I started with living organic soils. No comparison imo. 4c minerals is of the mix total. So maybe if you didn't have bentonite, you could leave that out, but still mix it up in those ratios, and then use 4c of that mix. If you don't have some clays, depending on where you are, you might be able to find some in the ground nearby. Do some digging, people are out there getting it done with organics no matter what the haters say.

can you use too much seed sprout tea or coconut water?

Like anything I'm sure there is a breaking point. I haven't really seen one. I'd be a little careful sprouting Alfalfa seeds, maybe mustard seeds. Use common sense. Seed sprout tea is as follows, but again there are several variations that could work.

Sprouted Seed Tea v2.0

Jon Stika of Brew Your Own Magazine describes malt as “barley that has been sprouted to the point where enzymes are produced that will convert its starchy interior to sugar.” After the grain has been malted, the sugar is fermented by yeast to make beer.


This is an accurate overview of an article he wrote for those who want to make their own malt and here’s the Reader’s Digest version:

Weigh out 2 oz. of Barley seed and remove any foreign matter by the seeds into a large jar and fill it half-way with water and agitate to wash the barley. Pour off loose husks & dirt that float to the top. Drain in a colander. Repeat until everything has been removed.

Soak the seeds in water for 8 – 10 hours. Drain the seeds and weigh after completely draining the water off. Assuming you started with 56 grams, you want to hit a minimum of 84 grams at the end of these processes.

Let the Barley rest for 8 – 10 hours and then soak for another 8 hours, drain and weigh. Repeat if necessary but that’s not too unlikely.

Take a piece of cloth and you want to use something as ‘raw’ as possible like hemp cloth, organic cotton, linen, canvas, flax, etc. – just check with a large fabric store. If you buy a piece that is a square it probably helps or doesn’t.

Wet your cloth, wring out and fold it 2 times. During the rest cycles this is where you want to let the seeds rest. You want moisture surrounding the seeds but not water.

Once you hit 84+ grams, spread your seeds again in the middle of this folded piece of fabric, place that in a brown paper bag – 55F – 65F ambient temperatures will move this along quickly.

When the shoots inside the seed have grown the length of the seed you’re done. You’re not growing sprouts but rather activating the enzymes and the compounds in the endosperm as described in the post above.

Take these seeds and put them in a blender and some water and get it to a puree to the extent possible. Using 56 grams to start will give enough puree to make 5 gallons of tea.

Water your plants with this diluted tea. This will give you far, far more enzymes than the straight sprouting method. One thing about beer brewers is that they live & die by enzyme levels extracted from seeds and this article is cited on several home brew forums.

Almost forgot, results, here's a few quick ones





Peace!
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[earthling420]

I did super soil for about a year before I started with living organic soils. No comparison imo. 4c minerals is of the mix total. So maybe if you didn't have bentonite, you could leave that out, but still mix it up in those ratios, and then use 4c of that mix. If you don't have some clays, depending on where you are, you might be able to find some in the ground nearby. Do some digging, people are out there getting it done with organics no matter what the haters say.


Like anything I'm sure there is a breaking point. I haven't really seen one. I'd be a little careful sprouting Alfalfa seeds, maybe mustard seeds. Use common sense. Seed sprout tea is as follows, but again there are several variations that could work.



Almost forgot, results, here's a few quick ones

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Peace!
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Hell ya, what are some differences you noticed? im a beginner and very pleased with my first harvest in soil with synthetic, so if I could step it up more that would be nuts!
Thanks for clearing that up.
Your results are killer! thanks for the bud porn
Thanks for the seed sprout recipe.
Do you let the coot soil bake?

 

[Pattahabi]

Hell ya, what are some differences you noticed? im a beginner and very pleased with my first harvest in soil with synthetic, so if I could step it up more that would be nuts!
Thanks for clearing that up.
Your results are killer! thanks for the bud porn
Thanks for the seed sprout recipe.
Do you let the coot soil bake?

There are a lot of reasons why you would grow organic over synthetic. My thought is, I'd rather have an ounce of medicine (organics) over a pound of poison (synthetics). The first thing I noticed was no more lock out. IF my girls for some reason looked the slightest bit unhappy, a compost tea has them looking happy again in a day or two. Other big things - make sure you use high quality EWC, fresh is better. And I highly recommend a layer of mulch on the top of the soil to keep the top from drying out. The seed sprout tea made a big improvement in my plants. I do tend to let the soil sit for a few weeks, but I think ideal is to throw it in a pot and put a cover crop on it. for a month or two. I realize not everyone can do this, so if you need to test soil, grab something out of the local garden center and throw it in your soil. This way you won't experiment on any of your precious ladies.

Ok, totally asleep, need coffee, peace!
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[earthling420]

There are a lot of reasons why you would grow organic over synthetic. My thought is, I'd rather have an ounce of medicine (organics) over a pound of poison (synthetics). The first thing I noticed was no more lock out. IF my girls for some reason looked the slightest bit unhappy, a compost tea has them looking happy again in a day or two. Other big things - make sure you use high quality EWC, fresh is better. And I highly recommend a layer of mulch on the top of the soil to keep the top from drying out. The seed sprout tea made a big improvement in my plants. I do tend to let the soil sit for a few weeks, but I think ideal is to throw it in a pot and put a cover crop on it. for a month or two. I realize not everyone can do this, so if you need to test soil, grab something out of the local garden center and throw it in your soil. This way you won't experiment on any of your precious ladies.

Ok, totally asleep, need coffee, peace!
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I hear ya. How much is an avg yield for an organic plant vegged 1 month? Im not all about the yield just curious as I haven't found anything.

Thanks for the mulch tip. What happens when the top dries out?

If I can't run a cover crop, would the ladies pull through if the soil baked for a month?
Thanks again!

 

[hyroot]

So ive read avout enzymes with the sprouts and coconut water. My question is what coconut water will work? and which is the most beneficial of th two? How often do I use them?

Also, Im not making my own soil yet, but if I was to use AN organic, would ph regulation be necessary? Thanks for all the help

if you can get fresh young coconuts. thats better than any bottled coconut water. Each coconut holds about 1/4 cup - 1/2 cup of water. its more concentrate than bottled water and cheaper. The markets around here sell coconuts for $1-$1.75 per coconut. 1/4 cup of fresh coconut water is enough for 5 gal of tea

 

[earthling420]

if you can get fresh young coconuts. thats better than any bottled coconut water. Each coconut holds about 1/4 cup - 1/2 cup of water. its more concentrate than bottled water and cheaper. The markets around here sell coconuts for $1-$1.75 per coconut. 1/4 cup of fresh coconut water is enough for 5 gal of tea

Sweet thanks bro, could one oxygenate the coconut water? like normal teas?

 

[hyroot]

Sweet thanks bro, could one oxygenate the coconut water? like normal teas?

yeah but i don't think it will do much. I aerate water anyway before adding anything

 

[earthling420]

yeah but i don't think it will do much. I aerate water anyway before adding anything

Cant wait to see how the girls take off after the teas and extra oxygen in the water

 

[Pattahabi]

I hear ya. How much is an avg yield for an organic plant vegged 1 month? Im not all about the yield just curious as I haven't found anything.

Thanks for the mulch tip. What happens when the top dries out?

If I can't run a cover crop, would the ladies pull through if the soil baked for a month?
Thanks again!

Hey Earthling! I can not answer your yield question, too many variables. As far as the top drying out, the top 4" or so of soil contains the majority of microbes in your soil. Microbes need water to survive, and they in turn help supply nutrients to your plants. I would recommend teaming with microbes for a much better understanding of this.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean about the soil baking for a month, but I think if anything a few compost teas would whip it back into shape.

Sweet thanks bro, could one oxygenate the coconut water? like normal teas?

My gut feeling is don't aerate the coco water. My 2¢.

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[Herb Man]

if you can get fresh young coconuts. thats better than any bottled coconut water...

What does cocont water do, in this context?

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

drink the coconut water........very alkalizing. if you want to go full-blown organic, start up a big-ass red wiggler bin. feed them free organic coffee grounds, veggie scraps, etc picked up for free. I do Craigslist organics....lol. free rabbit poop, old straw bales around Halloween, other free goodies. I water with rain water. watering with coconut water? I wouldn't recommend it. add it to your nutrient solution, if you wish to use it, but as stated; I would drink it, or save it for emergency IV fluid in your squad's medic supplies

 

[Pattahabi]

What does cocont water do, in this context?

What coconut water gives you are Gibberellins – specifically G1 thru G8, Indole-acetic-acid (IAA), enzymes and Cytokinins.

 

[Herb Man]

What coconut water gives you are Gibberellins – specifically G1 thru G8, Indole-acetic-acid (IAA), enzymes and Cytokinins.

Cool.

Functions of Gibberellins

Active gibberellins show many physiological effects, each depending on the type of gibberellin present as well as the species of plant. Some of the physiological processes stimulated by gibberellins are outlined below (Davies, 1995; Mauseth, 1991; Raven, 1992; Salisbury and Ross, 1992).

• Stimulate stem elongation by stimulating cell division and elongation.
• Stimulates bolting/flowering in response to long days.
• Breaks seed dormancy in some plants which require stratification or light to induce germination.
• Stimulates enzyme production (a-amylase) in germinating cereal grains for mobilization of seed reserves.
• Induces maleness in dioecious flowers (sex expression).
• Can cause parthenocarpic (seedless) fruit development.
• Can delay senescence in leaves and citrus fruits.

http://www.plant-hormones.info/gibberellins.htm


Dioecious plants are those which have male and female flowers on separate plants, e.g. Holly and Hemp.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_examples_of_dioecious_plants