100% germination
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GreenThumbsMcgee
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I hear they can drown if you push the seed down like that...I know for a fact not 100% of the time, cause out of 3, using this water in cup method, I only got 1 of 3 to germinate. I have since heard that when the do sink, that is when you want to move themn to paper towel, or straight into dirt.... this is just from my last experience
GreenThumbsMcgee
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looks like you had good results tho. and I agree with two days.
Sativied
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People have been using shot glasses and paper towels ( 
) for years, why do you claim it leads to 100% success? How many times have you repeated the process to determine whether you get 100%?
If you had put those same seeds directly in soil, jiffy, rockwool, hydroton, perlite, coco, they would have popped all as well. What you haven proven is that those seeds were viable, it says nothing about the method other than that it is one of many working methods.
Rhetorical questions though, I get it, sensational title, more views....
) for years, why do you claim it leads to 100% success? How many times have you repeated the process to determine whether you get 100%? If you had put those same seeds directly in soil, jiffy, rockwool, hydroton, perlite, coco, they would have popped all as well. What you haven proven is that those seeds were viable, it says nothing about the method other than that it is one of many working methods.
Rhetorical questions though, I get it, sensational title, more views....
AlecTheGardener
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Every time eh?
No, that is incorrect.
Another thing, why do people germinate their seeds in anything but a medium? Why take extra steps unless you need to?
I stick a seed in a bit of dirt and water it, a seedling sprouts. Could be jiffy pellets, etc.
Some people have fifteen steps before they get a seedling, too much labor.
Why would I EVER handle a sprouted seed that has a delicate taproot? Then people stuff the poor little sprout into the medium. Why didn't you just do it in the first place?
Too much labor, no thanks. Waste of time.
Marlo95
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No lol your completely wrong. I've tried this over a dozen times and I've gotten great results. There's a science behind it. If the seed floats after you lets it sit for 30 minutes and then push it down then the seed is pre mature and won't grow. But if it drops it'll most likely germinate. And yes this method does just compliment the capabilities of a good seed, it also gives germination a better chance than if it were done wrong or by a different method. I've done months of research of just the topic of germination because I have a lot of friends that smoke and I'd collect the seeds from their buds; I've germinated hundreds of seeds just to germinate and then throw away and when I came across this video it gave me a whole new method and I found this to be the best methodPeople have been using shot glasses and paper towels (
If you had put those same seeds directly in soil, jiffy, rockwool, hydroton, perlite, coco, they would have popped all as well. What you haven proven is that those seeds were viable, it says nothing about the method other than that it is one of many working methods.
Rhetorical questions though, I get it, sensational title, more views....
Marlo95
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You're not supposed to leave them in for more than 3 days but I personally only go up to 2
Sativied
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So if they don't drop your method does not lead to 100% germination...
I've done a seed run earlier this year and popped quite few seeds over the past few month, compared the results of various methods to 7 year old seeds. Nothing new about selecting seeds that sink either, has been advised many times in these forums. It's to weed out the bad ones, not to create 100% results. Rotten seeds sink too, those that got moist during storage can sink too. Floating seeds can germ too. I'd be happy to pop a few more to illustrate if that's too hard to believe. It all doesn't matter as long as the seed is viable and it gets moist (and not too hot/cold/wet/dry) it'll pop. A cannabis seed really doesn't need special treatment or being soaked in water or anything but the medium.
While yours are swimming or lying on a towel, mine are on its way within 24-48 hours:
screediu
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i never did the glass of water to paper towel thing and have had around a 90% rate of germ, yeah theres been a few bad seeds, but i look at my seeds before attempting anything. The seed will tell you if its viable or not most of the time. IMHO screw those extra steps put the bean in a plug or into your medium and let it go
Nullis
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^This.
Also, if a seed is not mature, no it will not germinate in anything. You could this check by simply rubbing the seed between your thumb and forefinger. A bad seed will crumble, a good/mature seed will not even if you apply pressure.
Cannabis isn't an aquatic plant. Roots breath oxygen, even an emerging radicle/taproot. Oxygen doesn't dissolve very well in water, and less so the warmer it gets. While you can start seeds between moist paper towels, you need to watch them like a hawk and fuss with them later. They'll also pop open in water if they don't rot first, still not ideal for the aforementioned reason. High humidity is also detrimental and can lead to damping off/rot. Some breeders explicitly advise against using paper towels.
Older seeds might benefit from a short soaking in water, because after a few years the embryo does start to dry out.
Otherwise, I don't see how water/PT is actually anymore effective than direct to potting mix in proper conditions. Potting mix holds water just as well as paper towels do, and also holds air, hosts symbiotic micro-organisms, has nutrients, etc. Direct to mix, under constant lighting is very easy, effective and doesn't require handling the tender sprouts later (set it and forget it). Typically seeds started this way, for me, (~95% of them) have broken through the soil, opened their cotyledons and put out their first true leaves after ~72 hours (as opposed to a day in water, 1-2+ days in paper towels, 1-2 days to pop up and longer to put out true leaves).
The only reason(s) I can think of that the PTM may appear to be any more effective is that people are putting their PTM-seeds in areas more conducive to germing (e.g. warmer) than where they would put direct-to-mix seeds, or are afraid of keeping the potting mix properly moistened, having their lights on, etc. This makes some sense, because people often put their PTM seeds somewhere warm or have them insulated (on top of a fridge, cable box, gaming console, between plates wrapped in a blanket etc.).
No matter how you are germinating it cannot be cold, and for direct-to-mix it shouldn't be dark either. Seeds are covered by the mix (and so are in the dark until sprouting), and lighting like tube fluorescent fixtures can help warm the soil surface. It should be at least 72 (F) and warmer is better; warmth hastens germination more than whatever media it is you're starting them in.
m3d1c1n3man
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they do seem to sprout faster when you start them in soil.
danotunes
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Exactly,I have read the statement ''100% germination'' many times.no such thing. Breeders know that. You can get close but 100 per cent every time, not. last week I put 28 of my own produced seed ,got 26 up. Lets say for example all 28 came up for that 100% number. so that 's only this time try it 10 more times dude, and no way will you now get 100 % now buy seeds from breeders and that germ rate drops''.thats guaranteed''People have been using shot glasses and paper towels (
If you had put those same seeds directly in soil, jiffy, rockwool, hydroton, perlite, coco, they would have popped all as well. What you haven proven is that those seeds were viable, it says nothing about the method other than that it is one of many working methods.
Rhetorical questions though, I get it, sensational title, more views....
Indoor Sun King
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I am 100% sure that one day his 100% germination method will fail to be 100% as some seeds are just dead as a door nail and won't pop irregardless of what method you may choose.
Indoor Sun King
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^ 110%, is that all?
Sativied
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Some people are just more lucky than others
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