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tipsgnob

New Member
The issue of oil drilling is once again in the forefront of the news. The green-washed ads by the oil, gas and coal industries want you to believe their products are just waiting to be tapped and so environmentally friendly that they're actually good for you.
These same groups would have you blame gas prices on the Democrats because they oppose opening new drilling leases and are for clean, renewable energy; or they took a slight majority in Congress just a year and a half ago — January of 2007.



If Congress is truly to blame, then wouldn't the blame go to those who have controlled Congress for the past 12 years? After all, those are the same Republican lawmakers whose very campaigns are funded by oil, gas and coal companies. Add to that eight years of oil men in the White House, including Dick Cheney, who holds private "energy policy" meetings with "O-G-C" industries, while excluding the EPA and other regulatory agencies.
In the meantime, the oil, gas, and coal companies are making record-breaking profits every quarter. If Congress were to open new leases today, it would be 10 years before it is drilled, refined and at the pump. Right now there are more than 2 million acres of public land available and unused by these companies. Don't you wonder why these corporations are exploiting high prices and public panic to push for yet more leases?
President Carter recommended the promotion and funding of alternative energy sources in the 1970s. The outcry was: "Too long-term — we need an immediate solution." That is the very argument that is being used today, 30 years later. Think where we would be today had our government acted upon his recommendations. When are we going to learn? Sooner or later we will be forced to use brainpower to find alternatives for oil, gas and coal.
Why should we wait until we have turned all our mountaintops into flattened wastelands with dried-up streambeds and drought- and flood-prone valleys for an extra day of coal? Why should we wait until we have smothered every square inch of live-bottom and coral formations surrounding our continental shelf from offshore drilling? Or wait until we have even one more disastrous oil spill from a "spill-proof" dredging platform or tanker? Why should we wait until we've built roads, oil platforms, runways and pipelines in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to spoil one of our planet's most pristine and untouched places?
You may think it doesn't matter, that our needs come first. What's a herd or two of caribou, some arctic foxes, and polar bears in Alaska? Why should we, in Tennessee, care about a ruined coastline that isn't in our own backyard, or worry about the suffering and death of marine life? Well, it's actually science at its very basic form. If you don't believe me, think about what happened off the coast of California many years ago and a valuable lesson learned. With shellfish in high demand, fishermen eagerly sought ways to increase their daily catch, thereby decimating the shellfish population. They blamed the sea otters for the decline, instead of themselves. They began hunting and trapping the otters, which left sea urchins to multiply unchecked. The sea urchins devoured the kelp forest, leaving an underwater desert behind. No more kelp, no more fish, no more shellfish. No more shoreline protection against hurricanes.
When we live by illogical thinking and arrogance, to exploit and destroy everything before us, it is ourselves we destroy in the end.:mrgreen:
 

ViRedd

New Member
Thank you for posting a page from the playbook of the Sierra Club. In the meantime, we are seeing our economy going into the dumper because of their wacko environmental policies and their lackeys in Congress who spend their lobby funds.

Vi
 

ElBarto

Well-Known Member
Too many years of taking the easiest and most politically expedient way out.

Addiction to fossil fuels is destroying this country politically, economically, and morally.

We need to rethink our energy policy while we still have time. The longer we put it off, the worse it's going to be.
 

Allan Watts

Well-Known Member
Dimwit Dubyuh said it himself- "We are addicted to Awll". Renewable fuels need to become a priority ASAP. GM is going to learn a very hard lesson as their extremely aggressive pushing of SUV's and only SUV's has put them in a serious no win situation. They are laying off thousands and those monstrosities are no longer selling like hot cakes. The 2008 election can not come soon enough.
 

KillerWeed420

Well-Known Member
Drilling more will do nothing. We already have plenty of oil here. Its just the oil companies won't turn on the taps. 2 reasons, Higher prices with lower supplies and they don't want to invest any of there billions on increased refining. Its not because of enviormentalists. They could easily get more refineries if they wanted, they just like the high prices.
 

tipsgnob

New Member
just think...if we had done what Jimmy Carter wanted we would not be in this mess today...b u t...the the republicans would have fucked up something else.....
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
just think...if we had done what Jimmy Carter wanted we would not be in this mess today...b u t...the the republicans would have fucked up something else.....
What? He'd still be negotiating with Iran over the hostage crisis till this day. Jimmy Carter is the most worthless president ever.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Are we going to have another Jimmy Carter debate? ~lol~

Here's one: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be waiting in line on odd/even days to buy gas. (Do a google search, tips.)

Here's another: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be driving 55 miles per hour maximum. (Do another Google search, tips.)

Oye-Vay (Yes, that's a popular Jewish term, Med) ... :mrgreen:

Oye-Vay, it never ceases to amaze me how devoid of recent history our young folks are. :roll:

Vi
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
Are we going to have another Jimmy Carter debate? ~lol~

Here's one: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be waiting in line on odd/even days to buy gas. (Do a google search, tips.)

Here's another: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be driving 55 miles per hour maximum. (Do another Google search, tips.)

Oye-Vay (Yes, that's a popular Jewish term, Med) ... :mrgreen:

Oye-Vay, it never ceases to amaze me how devoid of recent history our young folks are. :roll:

Vi
anything 50 years ago is ancient history.

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Exactly Zen. And what a shame.

Here's another one: If Jimmy Carter was still president, he's pass another "Windfall Profit Tax" on the oil companies, with the same result ... our dependence on foreign oil would increase beyond what it was before.
Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
My point is that Both investers and oil companies are making obscene profits and yet they get subsidies, tax breaks and continue to do so with out regulation or paying their fair share of the Tax Burden.
 

ViRedd

New Member
My point is that Both investers and oil companies are making obscene profits and yet they get subsidies, tax breaks and continue to do so with out regulation or paying their fair share of the Tax Burden.
OK, your point is well taken ... but your information is incorrect.

Now then, what constitutes "obscene" profits? And if a profit beyond a certain point were to be considered "obscene," what should be done about it, who should make the "adjustment," and who should determine the difference between "obsene" and "acceptable?"

Have you checked out the profit margin enjoyed by bottled water companies? How about cosmetic companies? And what about the 25% profit made by Google last year?

Check them all out, Dank ... I assure you, you'll find the oil company profit margin is more than reasonable, competitive and much lower than you may think.

Here's some info:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121383441884986739.html

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/29/markets/thebuzz/

Vi


 

tipsgnob

New Member
Are we going to have another Jimmy Carter debate? ~lol~

Here's one: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be waiting in line on odd/even days to buy gas. (Do a google search, tips.)

Here's another: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be driving 55 miles per hour maximum. (Do another Google search, tips.)

Oye-Vay (Yes, that's a popular Jewish term, Med) ... :mrgreen:

Oye-Vay, it never ceases to amaze me how devoid of recent history our young folks are. :roll:

Vi
I'm waiting Vi...I like all these ideas....Jimmy Carter was the man.....
 
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