Super Cropping vs SCROG vs Topping vs LolliPopping
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chuck estevez
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oh, I do, I do,lol
hydroMD
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Makes no difference to me...
Not really sure what it is you feel needs a response but if im missing anything shoot.
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Sativied
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Ok, you asked for it. 
Seriously, I just don't see how I can put this any other way than blunt.
All of the mentioned techniques are canopy control techniques.
By the way, where the fuck are your leaves at?
I've seen you post some decent frosty buds in the sticky, you'd get a whole lot more of that if you would refrain from mutilating your plant. Sure, nice results from one plant, but if you think that picture is a good argument for your point of view, then what you're missing is the point of canopy control.
It's fun to crop and play with the plants, I get that, but combining them all (which again is what I said) is overdoing it simply because it's unnecessary. Tying just a few stretching branches down is not LST. Pinching and bending a few branches after topping or using a scrog is not 'supercropping'. If you do a scrog properly you don't need to LST and don't need to top and don't need to supercrop. If you supercrop properly you don't need to top, LST, scrog. If you LST properly you don't need to top, crop, scrog.
Seriously, I just don't see how I can put this any other way than blunt.So you don't combine all of them.
All of the mentioned techniques are canopy control techniques.
...and make optimal use of the space and light you got.
By the way, where the fuck are your leaves at?
I've seen you post some decent frosty buds in the sticky, you'd get a whole lot more of that if you would refrain from mutilating your plant. Sure, nice results from one plant, but if you think that picture is a good argument for your point of view, then what you're missing is the point of canopy control.
It's fun to crop and play with the plants, I get that, but combining them all (which again is what I said) is overdoing it simply because it's unnecessary. Tying just a few stretching branches down is not LST. Pinching and bending a few branches after topping or using a scrog is not 'supercropping'. If you do a scrog properly you don't need to LST and don't need to top and don't need to supercrop. If you supercrop properly you don't need to top, LST, scrog. If you LST properly you don't need to top, crop, scrog.
hydroMD
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Lol, You sir are just too worried about being right... in essence i basically do the same as you. Implenting a *light* version of each.
I LST to train out amd get light to all bud sites, put the trwllis up last week or two of stretch just so the plant has extra support, then bend/pinch bud sights that take up dominance and start to outreach the rest of the canopy.
I agree that fully implementing each tactic is a waste of time, but using a watered down version of each can work out great.
Its all strain dependant when it comes down to it, i was just giving some insight to the question asked on this post.
And my fan leaves are all off because i took this picture in the process of taking the plant down;which is why the trellis is also not in the pic.
Ill leave the defoliate argument for some other time. I will say that in most cases i prefer leaving fans on, but i do believe there are cases where defoliating is useful
I LST to train out amd get light to all bud sites, put the trwllis up last week or two of stretch just so the plant has extra support, then bend/pinch bud sights that take up dominance and start to outreach the rest of the canopy.
I agree that fully implementing each tactic is a waste of time, but using a watered down version of each can work out great.
Its all strain dependant when it comes down to it, i was just giving some insight to the question asked on this post.
And my fan leaves are all off because i took this picture in the process of taking the plant down;which is why the trellis is also not in the pic.
Ill leave the defoliate argument for some other time. I will say that in most cases i prefer leaving fans on, but i do believe there are cases where defoliating is useful
hydroMD
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This is what im talking about... You dont have to over analyze everything someone says in order to form an argument about a subject no one was arguing about In the first place.Another great argument
Accusing the opponent in a debate of wanting to be right is about the dumbest argument one can preset. It implies there are people who just insist on being wrong... I guess you're one of them then. Just because you are "worried" about being wrong doesn't automatically mean I involve emotions like you do (perhaps I should do a post on reflection... psychology 101). You quoted me disagreeing with what I posted while presenting nothing but invalid arguments including presenting that poor plant as 'great results' from combining "each" but then again not some.... (All because you wanted to be right about what you do. Doh...) Of course I point those out, that's how it works in a discussion forum...
If you want to imagine those are great results from combining all canopy control methods and stripping the leaves, and that using some binding wire to tie down plants is LST, and bending a few branches is supercropping, then dude, have a blast with your advanced growing techniques.
Did i not agree with your main point?
Excuse me for giving my experience as testiment. Your obviously a much much much better grower and anyone with any input that is not your own shoukd just refrainn from posting
hydroMD
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Matthew, here is a picture with trellis. Sorry about the tangents on your thread. To sum up the point i was trying to make for you, every style of training that is mainstream has its uses. Your grow space and environment can dictate which style OR styles will be best. I personally grow single plants that are large in size. They can grow 6"+ a day, so whatever needs to happen to keep things even is what i do. Pulling main shoots out to the edges of the light creating a dish around your hood is a good idea too.
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turbo dog head
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Topping does work on a scrog and sometimes needs doing to keep the canopy even.Ok, you asked for it.
So you don't combine all of them.
All of the mentioned techniques are canopy control techniques.
...and make optimal use of the space and light you got.
By the way, where the fuck are your leaves at?
I've seen you post some decent frosty buds in the sticky, you'd get a whole lot more of that if you would refrain from mutilating your plant. Sure, nice results from one plant, but if you think that picture is a good argument for your point of view, then what you're missing is the point of canopy control.
It's fun to crop and play with the plants, I get that, but combining them all (which again is what I said) is overdoing it simply because it's unnecessary. Tying just a few stretching branches down is not LST. Pinching and bending a few branches after topping or using a scrog is not 'supercropping'. If you do a scrog properly you don't need to LST and don't need to top and don't need to supercrop. If you supercrop properly you don't need to top, LST, scrog. If you LST properly you don't need to top, crop, scrog.
Silky Shagsalot
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imo, main lining is a huge waste of time. ya, it looks interesting, but i see no real advantage to it...
Shwagbag
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I've mainlined a few, and they were lovely. It definitely makes some nice tops, but it does also help to have the right strains to rock it out. GHB has a very nice topping technique for scrogging in a tutorial (from seed), and of course Uncle Ben will never let you down with his threads.
Squidbilly
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THIS^ I don't see them as being any different, minus the screen in scrog. I LST, supercrop, top, AND lollipop all my branches during veg and first couple weeks of flower to fill in my canopy.
IAmTheSun
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Wasnt saying there was an advantage just think it looks cool. Personally, I believe sea of green is the most efficient way to grow. Just for the record, all these techniques we are discussing can be used to create an even canopy (with the exception of lolloping) but that is not the only reason people use or combine these techniques.
MidnightToter
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I do it all, and have had good success.
I hear it referred to as Monster cropping or some call it HHT after Hygro Hybred who made it popular on Youtube. These are five weeks in flower
I hear it referred to as Monster cropping or some call it HHT after Hygro Hybred who made it popular on Youtube. These are five weeks in flower
ArCaned
Active Member
My 2 Cents!
I LST small plants as they are least able to cope with the stress of FIM/TOP/HST methods.
Once you have 6-8 even tips then I FIM every tip resulting in 18-30~ tops.
I believe this method generates a useful increase in nodal volume while stressing the plant as little as possible.
Now ofc there are many methods to redistribute the growth hormone in the plant, each with their advantages and disadvantages.
The trick for any and every grower is to find the method(s) that work best for you and to perfect them.
I LST small plants as they are least able to cope with the stress of FIM/TOP/HST methods.
Once you have 6-8 even tips then I FIM every tip resulting in 18-30~ tops.
I believe this method generates a useful increase in nodal volume while stressing the plant as little as possible.
Now ofc there are many methods to redistribute the growth hormone in the plant, each with their advantages and disadvantages.
The trick for any and every grower is to find the method(s) that work best for you and to perfect them.
Samcro4
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That is an awesome looking plant, bro. I'm a noob. Have just been leaving the girls natural before I gave some of these techniques a shot. I've super cropped by mistake, and it did not work at all. My girls don't like it. They shrivel and die above the bend. So it essentially becomes topping. I've sort of LST'd but not really. Mostly using string to bring in branches that are falling over from too much weight of the cola.
Anyway, I have clones. Using hydro drip system. Have been a pretty bad parent just from making noob mistakes. But I average almost 10.5 oz per girl. They all look like shit compared to the works of art you guys do. I'm wondering if I should just stick with the natural growth I've got going or try some LST or legit topping. Can't top for multiple colas w clones, right? Did I get lucky w my strain and that's why they are doing well? Cause I can honestly say I've fucked up alot. I've gotten my environment much more dialed in, and have been religious about feeding. (Had no idea how quickly they drink during last few weeks of flower). But I look at what you guys are doing and I am intimidated. Feel like I wouldn't have the skill.
Seems as if all you vets have some great techniques down. I want to increase my yield. But from what I've read, 10.5 per plant is really good. So does that mean going natural might be the best way for my girls? Or should I try a technique? You vets all seem to agree you have to use one advanced technique if not multiple techniques to get max yield. So I'd like to start out trying on a girl or two. Just in case I fuck up, don't want to destroy them all. LST and topping seems to be the easiest methods for a noob. I'm not sure how bushy I want to go though. Will probably reduce the amount of buckets I can get under each light.
If you were to give a noob advice about 1 technique to try for the first time, which technique would you guys suggest. And keep in mind supercropping doesn't work for my girls.
Thanks guys. I figure I'd try 1 technique at a time. Also, have no interest in scrog. I appreciate any help you can give.