free gas !!!!!

[tipsgnob]

Are we going to have another Jimmy Carter debate? ~lol~

Here's one: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be waiting in line on odd/even days to buy gas. (Do a google search, tips.)

Here's another: If Jimmy Carter was still president, we'd be driving 55 miles per hour maximum. (Do another Google search, tips.)

Oye-Vay (Yes, that's a popular Jewish term, Med) ...

Oye-Vay, it never ceases to amaze me how devoid of recent history our young folks are.

Vi

I'm waiting Vi...I like all these ideas....Jimmy Carter was the man.....

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

Thank you for posting a page from the playbook of the Sierra Club. In the meantime, we are seeing our economy going into the dumper because of their wacko environmental policies and their lackeys in Congress who spend their lobby funds.

Vi

The fact Bush went on TV and told the American public that congress would be to blame for the high gas prices is fucking "wacky" my friend. Do you honestly think this bill being passed is going to drop the price at the pump? We wouldn't even see a drop of the gas that would be drilled for, for at least 4 years. Wanna know what will drop the price at the pump, END OIL SPECULATION. Looking for oil off our coasts is not the answer. I am far from a environmentalist, but really? The problem to our oil addiction is to drill for more oil.. right... how about instead of investing our money into more oil, we find something that offers us a future, and not more of the past.

 

[ViRedd]

The fact Bush went on TV and told the American public that congress would be to blame for the high gas prices is fucking "wacky" my friend. Do you honestly think this bill being passed is going to drop the price at the pump? We wouldn't even see a drop of the gas that would be drilled for, for at least 4 years. Wanna know what will drop the price at the pump, END OIL SPECULATION. Looking for oil off our coasts is not the answer. I am far from a environmentalist, but really? The problem to our oil addiction is to drill for more oil.. right... how about instead of investing our money into more oil, we find something that offers us a future, and not more of the past.

1. There is no "bill being passed." Bush removed the executive order that prevented off-shore drilling. Now its up to the Democrat led Congress and Senate to do the same.

2. Yes, I believe that when our government shows our foreign oil suppliers that we are serious about becoming energy independent, the price of imported oil will come down.

3. I agree that we have to find alternate forms of energy ... but drilling is what we know now.

4. Speculation is bad? Ask the executives of Southwest Airlines what they think about oil speculation. Do a Google search on what Southwest is paying for fuel now.

Vi

 

[tipsgnob]

Vi, you seem to always ignore the fact that it would take years for off shore oil to have an effect...AND that oil would go to the highest bidder, which would not be the U.S.....

 

[ZenMaster]

Vi, you seem to always ignore the fact that it would take years for off shore oil to have an effect...AND that oil would go to the highest bidder, which would not be the U.S.....

???

The oil that we drill off our own coast is going completely to the U.S.. I don't care who sales it.

Dude, the democrats in Congress are full of shit, saying it would be a decade or more to get oil if we started drilling now. People who drill for a living say it would take 2, maybe 4 years for some oil. Liberals are blowing it out of proportion to suit their agenda. I have yet to figure their agenda out, unless it's to stupid than they already are.

 

[tipsgnob]

???

The oil that we drill off our own coast is going completely to the U.S.. I don't care who sales it.

Dude, the democrats in Congress are full of shit, saying it would be a decade or more to get oil if we started drilling now. People who drill for a living say it would take 2, maybe 4 years for some oil. Liberals are blowing it out of proportion to suit their agenda. I have yet to figure their agenda out, unless it's to stupid than they already are.

what make you think that when conoco/phillips pulls that oil out they are not going to sell to highest bidder? do you think they just take a pipe out there suck the oil out? it takes years to build one those offshore rigs...years...

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

1. There is no "bill being passed." Bush removed the executive order that prevented off-shore drilling. Now its up to the Democrat led Congress and Senate to do the same.

2. Yes, I believe that when our government shows our foreign oil suppliers that we are serious about becoming energy independent, the price of imported oil will come down.

3. I agree that we have to find alternate forms of energy ... but drilling is what we know now.

4. Speculation is bad? Ask the executives of Southwest Airlines what they think about oil speculation. Do a Google search on what Southwest is paying for fuel now.

Vi

1. There is a bill in congress he wants passed, so in 4 years when we get a couple barrels out of scout drill rigs thats making us energy dependent? so whats going to fill the 12 million barrel a day gap we have in oil production right now? Do you want to know how many rigs our going to litter our coast in an attempt to breach that 12 million barrel gap? Pennzoil’s Bonito pipeline is a collection funnel for 18 offshore platforms, it only brings in 85,000 barrels a day and thats on the top end. So lets extrapolate that to our situation that leaves our coast littered with over 140 oil rigs in previously protected areas, in an attempt to become "energy independent".

2. Why would OPEC be scared of something they know we cannot do. We cannot become energy independent if that energy is crude oil.

3. Well at least we agree on something, I just feel there is no time like the present to make change and work forward for a better future.

4. Sorry, Speculation is terrible and it along with slight inflation is solely to blame for the rise in the price at the pump. You do know if speculation didn't exist gas would be like 2.50 a gallon. Sir because 1 airline company saw profit while hedging gas funds and still charging you slightly under going rate and picking up more passengers because of it. Almost 12 other airlines are on the other end of the spectrum. Even Southwest is calling for an end to oil speculation. People should not be able to be able to buy and trade the necessities of life for the common people for a profit, I am sorry that is fundamentally wrong and corrupt. Airlines call on Congress to curb speculation - Jul. 9, 2008

 

[tipsgnob]

there a lot of blame to spread around...back in 1996-2001 I owned a convience store and the normal profit margin for a gallon of gas was 9-11 cents, now it is 28-31 cents...everybody is screwing us...

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

there a lot of blame to spread around...back in 1996-2001 I owned a convience store and the normal profit margin for a gallon of gas was 9-11 cents, now it is 28-31 cents...everybody is screwing us...

Agreed, but if we end oil speculation at least we can stop screwing ourselves.

 

[ViRedd]

Isn't oil speculation just that ... speculation on what the future oil prices will be? Start drilling off shore, in Anwr, converting shale to oil, build Nuclear plants, hydro-electric dams, wind power through the Midwest corridor, start developing hydrogen cars and hydrogen generators for our garages and continue to develope electric and hibrid cars. Do it all. Now then, with all that started in earnest ... what does the future (speculation) of oil prices look like?

President Kennedy set a ten-year goal to place a man on the moon and bring him back safely. We did it in seven years. There is nothing American ingenuity cannot do if our minds are made up to do it. Determination is the factor.

Vi

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

11.7 billion dollars, the posted quarterly profits for Exxon thats 1300 dollars a second. You remember them right the guys who spilled 250,000 barrels of oil off the coast of Alaska and were originally fined a little over 5 billion dollars and somehow litigated it down to less then 10% of that at 500 million paid to the people who's land and lives they destroyed with their negligence. So a company that posts almost 12 billion dollars in profits cannot afford to pay 5 billion to clean up and make up for a mess they are holely responsible for... right..clearly they need more money... are you telling me this is how things should work? This is what we should keep funding? We should pay them more subsidies and more right to ruin the environment ...

 

[Dankdude]

Is Oil an Infinite Resource?

The Myth Of Peak Oil

Stanley Monteith -- The Peak Oil Myth

Abiotic theory of oil - 'infinite' supply, page 1

Abiotic Oil

Oil Is Mastery

Abiogenic petroleum origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

INORGANIC ORIGIN IN UPPER MANTLE SEEN LIKELY FOR SOLID HYDROCARBON IN SYRIA PLATEAU BASALT

 

[ViRedd]

11.7 billion dollars, the posted quarterly profits for Exxon thats 1300 dollars a second. You remember them right the guys who spilled 250,000 barrels of oil off the coast of Alaska and were originally fined a little over 5 billion dollars and somehow litigated it down to less then 10% of that at 500 million paid to the people who's land and lives they destroyed with their negligence. So a company that posts almost 12 billion dollars in profits cannot afford to pay 5 billion to clean up and make up for a mess they are holely responsible for... right..clearly they need more money... are you telling me this is how things should work? This is what we should keep funding? We should pay them more subsidies and more right to ruin the environment ...

The oil companies enjoy a WHOPPING 8% return on investment. You can post the dollar amount for effect all you want, but the bottom line, is the bottom line.

Our entire economy runs on oil. Are you telling me that we can sustain our economy without increasing the oil supply? What do you suggest, $15 per dozen eggs and $10 dollar quarts of milk? Or, are you willing to sacrifice the entire country, including the people living in it, for your Utopian dream? I DO agree with you that we need to develope alternate fuel sources ... but in the meantime, we have to live, no?

And by the way ... the Alaskan oil spill was cleaned up a long time ago.

Vi

 

[tipsgnob]

The oil companies enjoy a WHOPPING 8% return on investment. You can post the dollar amount for effect all you want, but the bottom line, is the bottom line.

Our entire economy runs on oil. Are you telling me that we can sustain our economy without increasing the oil supply? What do you suggest, $15 per dozen eggs and $10 dollar quarts of milk? Or, are you willing to sacrifice the entire country, including the people living in it, for your Utopian dream? I DO agree with you that we need to develope alternate fuel sources ... but in the meantime, we have to live, no?

And by the way ... the Alaskan oil spill was cleaned up a long time ago.

Vi

not true...they are still seeing affects from the valdez accident and they still have not paid the fines...
it's easy to say we will start working on alternate sources someday, but right now we need to drill...drill...drill...sounds like a heroin addict...

 

[40acres]

The oil companies enjoy a WHOPPING 8% return on investment. You can post the dollar amount for effect all you want, but the bottom line, is the bottom line.

Our entire economy runs on oil. Are you telling me that we can sustain our economy without increasing the oil supply? What do you suggest, $15 per dozen eggs and $10 dollar quarts of milk? Or, are you willing to sacrifice the entire country, including the people living in it, for your Utopian dream? I DO agree with you that we need to develope alternate fuel sources ... but in the meantime, we have to live, no?

And by the way ... the Alaskan oil spill was cleaned up a long time ago.

Vi

WHy dont you tell the peoples about the tax incentives the oil companies enjoy as well? Some more pennies for the fat mans coffers

 

[ViRedd]

not true...they are still seeing affects from the valdez accident and they still have not paid the fines...
it's easy to say we will start working on alternate sources someday, but right now we need to drill...drill...drill...sounds like a heroin addict...

Your damned right it sounds like a heroin addict. We are so addicted that without it our economy dies.

Take a look around you. See your the case for your computer monitor and keyboard? Oil. See the chicken in your freezer? The feed was hauled to the breeder using ... oil. The plucking machines were rotating on bearings using ... oil. The comb you use for your hair ... oil. The pomade you put on your hair ... oil. Your checkbook cover ... oil. The bags your Fritos come in ... oil. The bottle that contains your spring water ... oil.

Yepper ... we're addicted all right. With that, I agree with you. I also agree that we have to start developing alternate sources of energy. Nuclear would be a good place to start, wouldn't you agree?

In the meantime, we have to do with what we know ... and that means drill for more oil in places that we KNOW will produce oil.

Vi

 

[tipsgnob]

I would start with the simple shit first...
Incentives and/or penaltys to get people to drive less...
mass transit...stop building new roads and start putting down train tracks...there large cities that still do not have a real transit system...
and if we keep that attitude, we will never start...we can not drill our way out of this...fuck the economy....if thats what it takes then so be it...

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

Your damned right it sounds like a heroin addict. We are so addicted that without it our economy dies.

Take a look around you. See your the case for your computer monitor and keyboard? Oil. See the chicken in your freezer? The feed was hauled to the breeder using ... oil. The plucking machines were rotating on bearings using ... oil. The comb you use for your hair ... oil. The pomade you put on your hair ... oil. Your checkbook cover ... oil. The bags your Fritos come in ... oil. The bottle that contains your spring water ... oil.

Yepper ... we're addicted all right. With that, I agree with you. I also agree that we have to start developing alternate sources of energy. Nuclear would be a good place to start, wouldn't you agree?

In the meantime, we have to do with what we know ... and that means drill for more oil in places that we KNOW will produce oil.

Vi

The problem with your whole theory about since all we really know what to do is drill we have to drill to fix the problem, thats what they WANT YOU TO BELIEVE. If they drilled tomorrow we wouldn't see oil from it for 4 years, don't you think that 4 years would be better spent finding an alternative and implement it (because GOD knows there are plenty of alternatives). This administration is FAILING us as American's, We were pulled into a war that shouldn't have existed and it's about to happen again. They would rather throw up smokescreens from what the real issues are, and thats our economy is set to keep the poor, poor and the rich richer. Plenty of people catch breaks and make it for themselves, but far too many are not making it in todays nation and that my friends is the problem at it's core. If every American could afford the rediculous price of gas, it wouldn't be front page news everyday. I am all for Capitalism but when it's on the backs of fellow Americans i have to raise my hand and object.

 

[VTXDave]

I would start with the simple shit first...
Incentives and/or penaltys to get people to drive less...
mass transit...

How will my 12 techs get to all their customers tofix their phone/DSL/cable modem/CATV problems using mass transit? On any given day my techs have to cover 400+ square miles of terrain in a rural environment. Mass transit? I don't think so. And how will my techs get to work when they have to drive 30+ miles a day through mountains that include passes and sometimes have chain conditions without a 4 wheel drive vehicle? My guys also have to service customers in some extremely remote locations that can only be accessed with a powerful 4 wheel drive. Our line crews have to go out often with 4000 lb reels of fiber and/or poles and whatnot. Should we start telling people that they can live without their phone service? Can you live without a phone? Without internet access? Do you use a cel phone instead of a landline? Who's going to service the towers when the antennas are knocked out of alignment or when an amplifier fails? Should those techs take the bus?

 

[OnSolomonsGrave]

I would start with the simple shit first...
Incentives and/or penaltys to get people to drive less...
mass transit...stop building new roads and start putting down train tracks...there large cities that still do not have a real transit system...
and if we keep that attitude, we will never start...we can not drill our way out of this...fuck the economy....if thats what it takes then so be it...

It's as close to as fact as it's ever going to get that the auto, oil and tire industries were at the core of destroying most big city's mass transit systems in early 50's to late 60's. (And by as close to as fact as it's ever going to get I mean, Those companies bought mass transit from the city's by undercutting what the city's were paying for it, promising better cheaper service. A lot of these cities had Trolly Style Electric Cars, which when the companies acquired these transit contracts converted to buses, which ran on Fire Stone Tires, General Motor Buses, and ran on Standard Oil.) Seems a bit like a conspiracy theory but it really happened, so why wouldn't these kind of trends continue today? Think about it. Just kind of funny you mentioned mass transit.