mantle7717
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im out of 200 proof and out of money, got a bunch of good but greasy sap in need of a winterization, ive used everclear 151 and it worked, just lost terps, i have bacardi 151 will it work as well as the everclear did?
what can i winterize with
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SnapsProvolone
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No to the bacardi. Tried the 151 back 25 years ago when I was a teenager. Made hard candy looking stuff, peanut brittle in color and texture. Sugar I think, from the rum. Ruined the batch, was like burning hard candy.
Personally, ide smoke what you got rather than ruin it by attempting to dewax / winterize with inappropriate solvent.
Personally, ide smoke what you got rather than ruin it by attempting to dewax / winterize with inappropriate solvent.
mantle7717
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This is some low quality shade and sugar run, is there an inexpensive alternative to ethyl, should I just store the oil until I get more 200 proof?
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greenghost420
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any way to buy shitty vodka and distill pure alcohol from it?
Blunter the kid
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You could use any of the alcohols or acetone.
I imagine you could just use some isopropyl, theoretically adding some water would make the ISO more polar and would allow more waxes to drop out of solution.
Once the solution is winterized and the waxes have been filtered, you can dry the solvent with MgSO4 and filter once again to remove the water prior to evaporation.
Yea but it would probably be more economical to buy denatured alcohol by the gallon and remove the contaminants with activated carbon.
You would then need to distill the alcohol over a drying agent like mgso4 to remove the water, it would also separate the alcohol from the extremely tiny particles of carbon.
The same process can be used to clean up shitty vodka and make it fit for extraction.
I wanted to sum up my first sentence, 200 proof alcohol isn't needed for winterization assuming what Qwizo king told me was accurate, all you need is a change in polarity.
It would probably be best to winterize using 70% alcohol because the mixture would be more polar than normal, allowing more waxes to drop out of solution.
Although you probably should make the anhydrous ethanol and then dilute it to 70% yourself so you know there's no additives/contaminants.
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WarMachine
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Pretty sure you want higher percentage alcohol and not adding water. That's why its recommended to use 190 proof instead of 151 proof. I use 99% ISO to winterize.
Blunter the kid
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Idk it stands to reason that if the solvent is more polar more waxes would drop out when the solution is chilled.
greenghost420
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i prefer no water in my oil or wax, ill just save up for the grape spirits and a lil reclaim
Blunter the kid
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The water can be removed prior to evaporation by adding a drying agent to the mixture which is later filtered using coffee filters or syringe filters.
There's no water in the end product, but I see why you would want to use the typical method and that's because it's easier to just use alcohol as is and not have to dry the solution.
greenghost420
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i love science and get what ur saying. but adding extra steps is just not needed. if my oil came out loaded with chlorophyll im trying that method for sure. or researching something like that...
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Blunter the kid
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That method won't remove chlorophyll, it will however remove more of the non polar waxes.
These added steps really do not take much
1. Use 70% alcohol (Or make it yourself.)
2. An additional filtering step is needed.
But if you have any syringe filters or a Büchner funnel, these extra steps are not tedious or time consuming, and would only serve to make your end product cleaner.
But as I said before, it's easier to not do it, and everyone has their own preferred tek, I'm just putting it out there :/
I agree that its recommended to extract with 99%, but when it comes to winterization it makes more sense to use 70% because the change in polarity allows more waxes to drop out.
I think 99% is usually recommended over anything else because it doesn't leave water upon evaporation like 70% does. Not because it helps drop out the waxes any better, as far as I know there hasn't been a thread dedicated to a side by side comparison of each procedure so I may as well do one.
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mantle7717
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thank you blunter for being proactive
Blunter the kid
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I figure, I've got the material right now, so why not
Edit: this is just a theory, I've never tried to use 70% alcohol, not for extraction and not for winterization so we'll see how it turns out haha
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lio lacidem
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Imo trying to winterize with 70% will hurt the extract more then help it. Once you introduce that amount of water you will need higher/longer heat to remove it thus destroying precious terps.
Blunter the kid
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I'll be removing the water from the alcohol with magnesium sulfate prior to evaporation.
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greenghost420
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fadedawgs opinion on this step^^?