MMPR Grow op: Small Scale
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woodsmaneh!
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So this has been my experience with HC on the 500 Meter Issue. One client received a letter stating "Too many Houses" Application denied, please submit a new application if you find a new location.
So we went back and forth with HC and HC did not want to say what the reason was, questions like how many is too many. We did our homework and finally got an answer from HC, no I can't share that info as we were paid by a client to find out and get it reversed. We were successful in protesting the ruling and have moved on, a lot smarter than before about the measures used to screen applications.
A second client had a school down the street but was well within the zoning and in fact had a letter from the city saying they were fine with it. HC was not, so we worked with the client and our security team to overcome the objections from HC. Won that one too.
So don't just roll over, that's what they want you to do.
Suing HC is a waste of time and foolishness, just go look at the Federal Court docket and pick a month and search HC.
Stay the course or get help, this is going to be a long time.
The game has changed and only "A" Teams will be considered by HC, no more second place apps!
HC is on holidays till September so don't expect much till then.
All the best
Lots of stuff that's not anywhere but is mandatory, remember every time we submit something new or expanded or better, that becomes the new Standard.
We have gone from 5 to 8 letters a week from HC to 1 or 2 because of summer. I can't wait till September when things get rolling at HC again.
So we went back and forth with HC and HC did not want to say what the reason was, questions like how many is too many. We did our homework and finally got an answer from HC, no I can't share that info as we were paid by a client to find out and get it reversed. We were successful in protesting the ruling and have moved on, a lot smarter than before about the measures used to screen applications.
A second client had a school down the street but was well within the zoning and in fact had a letter from the city saying they were fine with it. HC was not, so we worked with the client and our security team to overcome the objections from HC. Won that one too.
So don't just roll over, that's what they want you to do.
Suing HC is a waste of time and foolishness, just go look at the Federal Court docket and pick a month and search HC.
Stay the course or get help, this is going to be a long time.
The game has changed and only "A" Teams will be considered by HC, no more second place apps!
HC is on holidays till September so don't expect much till then.
All the best
Lots of stuff that's not anywhere but is mandatory, remember every time we submit something new or expanded or better, that becomes the new Standard.
We have gone from 5 to 8 letters a week from HC to 1 or 2 because of summer. I can't wait till September when things get rolling at HC again.
oddish
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Is this a real thing or just that they've slowed down due to the usual summer employee holidays, etc?
Very curious about this one.. would help to explain a few things.
OKLP
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Details?
oddish
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Are you just deciding this right now?
That's a big decision and a real tough spot to be in..
OKLP
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Nope, over the last month or so. The 500m issue DECIMATES my building choices in BOTH towns I was looking at. I had not yet stepped up to seek investor(s) because I wanted to see what happened to initial wave of LP's and wannabees. My business plan does NOT require getting in early, as it's for a certified organic producer, requiring just 500 clients to thrive.
I see that Whistler is pursuing Certified Organic status. My concern is if the CHEMICAL growers are having problems passing the govt required testing, that it may be MUCH harder for organic growers to pass. I have POOP in my pots for gosh sake (and WORMS), so I suppose my microbial count would be higher than growers using rockwool and chemical nutes. On the other hand, I think organic growers have the upper hand at pest control, currently, since the pesticide growers currently have no tools to work with.
I see other ways that I can help patients and growers in the future:
I have a young breeding program attempting to breed a high CBD strain, and some of the genetics necessary. If I am successful, my plan is to SHARE it, not hoard it...
Will continue to develop my software package, which I use daily (hourly?), to track EVERYTHING that happens to my garden, plant by plant. It's VERY close to the point where I can print out a work order of what needs to be done, cuttings, transplants, flip selected plants to flowering, etc. The most important task I use daily is it's genetics tracking, to be sure I keep all selected phenotypes alive until I can assess them fully. This package is barcode capable, and voice command is planned for the future. Ideally, you can scan a plant as you move or work on it, and record all data to computer via voice command and sensors. This software could be used by an LP (with further development), or just a nutty grower/breeder who wants to know EVERYTHING about each plant.
The electronics package I have been developing is my "youngest" project. Currently it records temp, humidity and light levels, recording them to an SD card. Next I will work on integration with PC. Then add the other sensors incl pH, soil moisture, co2, water meters and valves, etc. The "final" version will include video camera(s), and have capability to control all electrical equipment in the grow room. I already have stores and distributors keeping an eye on this project.
I see that Whistler is pursuing Certified Organic status. My concern is if the CHEMICAL growers are having problems passing the govt required testing, that it may be MUCH harder for organic growers to pass. I have POOP in my pots for gosh sake (and WORMS), so I suppose my microbial count would be higher than growers using rockwool and chemical nutes. On the other hand, I think organic growers have the upper hand at pest control, currently, since the pesticide growers currently have no tools to work with.
I see other ways that I can help patients and growers in the future:
I have a young breeding program attempting to breed a high CBD strain, and some of the genetics necessary. If I am successful, my plan is to SHARE it, not hoard it...
Will continue to develop my software package, which I use daily (hourly?), to track EVERYTHING that happens to my garden, plant by plant. It's VERY close to the point where I can print out a work order of what needs to be done, cuttings, transplants, flip selected plants to flowering, etc. The most important task I use daily is it's genetics tracking, to be sure I keep all selected phenotypes alive until I can assess them fully. This package is barcode capable, and voice command is planned for the future. Ideally, you can scan a plant as you move or work on it, and record all data to computer via voice command and sensors. This software could be used by an LP (with further development), or just a nutty grower/breeder who wants to know EVERYTHING about each plant.
The electronics package I have been developing is my "youngest" project. Currently it records temp, humidity and light levels, recording them to an SD card. Next I will work on integration with PC. Then add the other sensors incl pH, soil moisture, co2, water meters and valves, etc. The "final" version will include video camera(s), and have capability to control all electrical equipment in the grow room. I already have stores and distributors keeping an eye on this project.
CalyxCrusher
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One of the thing I had asked Tweed at their open house before construction started was if they were going to grow anything organically. One of the 3 or so growers hired at that time had said no due to how incredibly tight the standards are for organics, that it was very unlikely.
Then again this was the same guy who couldn't even tell me how many watts per square foot they were shooting for, so take that info with a grain of salt. I did find it interesting that right out of the gate they already had an idea of how difficult it is to pass certified organic standards and decided to avoid even pursuing the thought.(Not that it makes a difference in their final product anyway.)
Then again this was the same guy who couldn't even tell me how many watts per square foot they were shooting for, so take that info with a grain of salt. I did find it interesting that right out of the gate they already had an idea of how difficult it is to pass certified organic standards and decided to avoid even pursuing the thought.(Not that it makes a difference in their final product anyway.)
OKLP
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The COG Canadian Organic Growers are not the problem. My own personal garden could easily achieve organic certification. The COG Standards are fairly easy to follow, once you have an organic mindset.
My concern is that an organic garden very likely has a higher bacteria count, in general, even though some may be "GOOD" bacteria. When the first LP crops had to be irradiated, which would not be an option for my organic crop, I got very concerned about an organic crop's potential to pass the HC required certification. You can't be both organic and have a sterile environment, at least not that I have conceived.
I strongly disagree with the idea that the end product is the same, whether grown organically or using chemical fertilizers and pesticides. There are also substantial cost savings using organic methods, particularly once you are able to recycle soil.
CalyxCrusher
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There's also a lot more plant based organic fertilizers then 10 years ago, which is awesome. Or as Kyle Kushman refers to it Veganics. Feeding plants with plants. Eliminating the animal by-product "bacteria" concerns, even though they are beneficial bacteria. Seems like it would be an easy way to eliminate your potential worries on the matter.
And you're 100% right, organic cannabis tastes and smells way better than the "chemical" fertilizers. Although, I've heard yields tend to be a bit lower in organic soil. Hydroponic systems(DWC,RDWC) seem to do well with hydro organic fertilizers, although the feeding has to be on the lighter side and has to be free of particulate matter to avoid buildup on the roots.
And you're 100% right, organic cannabis tastes and smells way better than the "chemical" fertilizers. Although, I've heard yields tend to be a bit lower in organic soil. Hydroponic systems(DWC,RDWC) seem to do well with hydro organic fertilizers, although the feeding has to be on the lighter side and has to be free of particulate matter to avoid buildup on the roots.
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OKLP
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The software I am developing is a multi-relational database constructed in Filemaker Pro, as I consider it a rapid development tool. I have been a Filemaker Pro developer for decades and created many large databases. It could easily be ported into C or PHP if necessary.
Input is based on simplicity. Each task that must be recorded, has a simple "form" showing and requesting ONLY the required info to document that task.
Picture an Excel spreadsheet with 50+ tabs, all sharing data with each other, some fields overwrite other fields on other tabs when changed, etc. Consider the potential for error when multiple users make updates, with no change tracking, often in a hurry, or while actually working on a plant. Yucch!
All of that info instead can be stored in true relational databases. For humans to access this database to read info or make changes, they pull up the appropriate form. This form is like a scratch pad. Tasks can easily be entered either per plant, or per group of plants as desired. User can make changes, verify info, and when they think all is well, they click a "Commit" button to publish the info they have entered on the form.
This is where the magic happens. The software checks all necessary info any number of ways, and requests clarification from user if an "issue" is found. i.e. you recorded that you made a cutting from plant with serial number #1234, before committing the information, it must be verified that plant #1234 exists, and is at an appropriate stage for making cuttings. The genetic link must be recorded and maintained (both ways), to allow for easy viewing of crop genetics.
Database tracks inventory of all equipment and inventory owned by the business. You can plant some "pot", if you don't have POTS, and some stuff to put in the pot (or Rockwool) right? I have it printing sticky labels for pots, and sourced a dedicated label printer for under $500 that makes tough labels then laminates them. It contains a format for SOP's and can assist in generating them while minimizing re-typing and copy/pasting.
The "ULTIMATE" goal would be to see growers/workers work carrying a Toughpad and recording their tasks as performed, allowing accurate time stamping. Tasks could alternately be written in traditional paper log, then entered into database via batch mode.
Phew, sorry for long post. This is first time I have posted about this in public. Any questions?
Input is based on simplicity. Each task that must be recorded, has a simple "form" showing and requesting ONLY the required info to document that task.
Picture an Excel spreadsheet with 50+ tabs, all sharing data with each other, some fields overwrite other fields on other tabs when changed, etc. Consider the potential for error when multiple users make updates, with no change tracking, often in a hurry, or while actually working on a plant. Yucch!
All of that info instead can be stored in true relational databases. For humans to access this database to read info or make changes, they pull up the appropriate form. This form is like a scratch pad. Tasks can easily be entered either per plant, or per group of plants as desired. User can make changes, verify info, and when they think all is well, they click a "Commit" button to publish the info they have entered on the form.
This is where the magic happens. The software checks all necessary info any number of ways, and requests clarification from user if an "issue" is found. i.e. you recorded that you made a cutting from plant with serial number #1234, before committing the information, it must be verified that plant #1234 exists, and is at an appropriate stage for making cuttings. The genetic link must be recorded and maintained (both ways), to allow for easy viewing of crop genetics.
Database tracks inventory of all equipment and inventory owned by the business. You can plant some "pot", if you don't have POTS, and some stuff to put in the pot (or Rockwool) right? I have it printing sticky labels for pots, and sourced a dedicated label printer for under $500 that makes tough labels then laminates them. It contains a format for SOP's and can assist in generating them while minimizing re-typing and copy/pasting.
The "ULTIMATE" goal would be to see growers/workers work carrying a Toughpad and recording their tasks as performed, allowing accurate time stamping. Tasks could alternately be written in traditional paper log, then entered into database via batch mode.
Phew, sorry for long post. This is first time I have posted about this in public. Any questions?
The Hippy
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You should work on that Survey of med patients that was suggested. Oddish wants to help on that.The software I am developing is a multi-relational database constructed in Filemaker Pro, as I consider it a rapid development tool. I have been a Filemaker Pro developer for decades and created many large databases. It could easily be ported into C or PHP if necessary.
Input is based on simplicity. Each task that must be recorded, has a simple "form" showing and requesting ONLY the required info to document that task.
Picture an Excel spreadsheet with 50+ tabs, all sharing data with each other, some fields overwrite other fields on other tabs when changed, etc. Consider the potential for error when multiple users make updates, with no change tracking, often in a hurry, or while actually working on a plant. Yucch!
All of that info instead can be stored in true relational databases. For humans to access this database to read info or make changes, they pull up the appropriate form. This form is like a scratch pad. Tasks can easily be entered either per plant, or per group of plants as desired. User can make changes, verify info, and when they think all is well, they click a "Commit" button to publish the info they have entered on the form.
This is where the magic happens. The software checks all necessary info any number of ways, and requests clarification from user if an "issue" is found. i.e. you recorded that you made a cutting from plant with serial number #1234, before committing the information, it must be verified that plant #1234 exists, and is at an appropriate stage for making cuttings. The genetic link must be recorded and maintained (both ways), to allow for easy viewing of crop genetics.
Database tracks inventory of all equipment and inventory owned by the business. You can plant some "pot", if you don't have POTS, and some stuff to put in the pot (or Rockwool) right? I have it printing sticky labels for pots, and sourced a dedicated label printer for under $500 that makes tough labels then laminates them. It contains a format for SOP's and can assist in generating them while minimizing re-typing and copy/pasting.
The "ULTIMATE" goal would be to see growers/workers work carrying a Toughpad and recording their tasks as performed, allowing accurate time stamping. Tasks could alternately be written in traditional paper log, then entered into database via batch mode.
Phew, sorry for long post. This is first time I have posted about this in public. Any questions?
OKLP
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I saw that post, but isn't that going to be covered by canna review, leafly etc?
Devil Lettuce
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Not the patient personal and financial information part, which would be extremely useful in backing the affordability issue. We need actual data that will help to depict who the typical Canadian medical patient is, and what their income currently is vs. the cost to fill their prescription at avg. LP prices. Other information such as overall satisfaction with LP's and the MMPR as a whole would also be very useful.
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woodsmaneh!
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day was when cut off shorts and a fist full of dollars got you a LP.
first application we worked on in Aug. last year took me 4 hours to read
This months application took me 3 days to review. Can you say content, I have things in the application I would never have thought of without challenges from HC and your sure not going to find them printed anywhere. For example the 500m rule is nowhere to be found but HC will ask you for an aerial photo showing it, than beat you on the head with your own photo. Trust me it's a real requirement but where do you find it? It's what you don't know that makes this such a challenge.
ORGANIC is a great way to go, just don't get any shit on the product or QA will have your ass.