purplehays1
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so one of my 4 plants was male, the bush has been staked out over a lot of the tent.
Testing the old "Defoliation" Argument
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JointOperation
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cant wait to see this.. anyways.. when are you defoling ? ive had great results.. with defoling a little bit on day 1 of 12/12.. then again cleaning out small suckers that are blocked by bigger branches.. and then I take out all the fan leaves that are blocking right after the stretch.. so that the buds all get to the same level by the end of flower.. not nearly as much larf as there used to be when I didn't defol.. also.. since I defol at end of stretch.. there still getting veg nutes at the time.. and it worked great for me.. so good luck.. hoping u get great results..
Uncle Ben
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Cause and effect eh? Like to see some of your garden photos.
Again, cannabis doesn't need light at the budsites, although it does get R and FR light FWIW. That is a myth, noob shit.
purplehays1
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its going to be a interesting test even if it may not be very conclusive. When the lights come on tonight ill post some pics. I began defoliating at the end of veg they are on day 5 of 12/12. It stunted the vertical growth of the plant and its looking like the plant will stay a lot smaller than the others. I expected this but now that i have taken the male out i have open space that i have staked the bushy untrimmed plant into. So the little defoliated one is taking up only like 1/3 of the untrimmed one. So basically im now testing which produces better in the space provided, as it is clear that defoliating in veg stunts growth (which may be a good thing for me in a 2x2 tent if the production is good).
BDOGKush
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So are you saying clearing out larf that is beyond the penetration depth of the light you're using is pointless and a grower shouldn't remove bud sites that will not fully develop?
What is the cause of popcorn buds?
CaretakerDad
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Apical dominance.
BDOGKush
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Which is constantly changing in a SCRoG setup.
Entire point of a SCRoG setup is to get a larger canopy as close to your lights as possible, it was developed by T5 growers to get the most out of their lighting. So I'm trying to understand how growing techniques that were designed around light intensity to bud sights and defoliation of lower growth is being considered "noob shit".
chuck estevez
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removing the lower growth under a scrog is not defoliation, it is selective pruning, pulling all the leafs off the whole plant at different times is defoliating.
BDOGKush
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Alright, I had asked about that specifically early in the thread and wasn't sure if what I do was considered defoliation.
Thanks for the reply Chuck.
purplehays1
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basically, tho im never going to remove every leaf, just any that block lower growth. There will be fan leaves, just not many on the defoliated plant.
Conshroomer
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I've noticed that Bubba Kush specifically likes to be heavily defoliated. After I defoliate my plant, the next day she is praying harder than ever before. It does stress the girl though, so expect about a week of slow growth. After about a month she is just as bushy (if not bushier) as she was before I defoliated her. I would suggest to completely remove every major fan leaf after about the 4 week of flower, this allows the plant to focus most of its energy on plumping up those fruits growing.
Uncle Ben
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Noobs, you need to buy a book on botany and learn plant processes which includes the dynamics of apical dominance, chronological age, hormonal processes and what a leaf is for. It wasn't put there for you to remove it thereby stunting your plants and reducing yields.
Going on what you want to believe or see or forum hearsay parroted by each new crop of noobs is ignorant.
Going on what you want to believe or see or forum hearsay parroted by each new crop of noobs is ignorant.
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chuck estevez
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so, you added time, stressed her out, all for pretty much nothing, absolute genius.
tip top toker
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Hang on, if one is male, does that mean you are not running 4 clones from the same mother to actually make the test fair? If they're just seeds, then any result you get could be due to nothing more than genetic variation and your conclusion would be flawed and worthless.
chuck estevez
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Uncle Ben
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Makes sense to me!
Uncle Ben
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1. No it's not.
2. R and FR light penetrate leaves.
3. If you really want some understanding of this search my threads (and a few others here like Chuck) on defoliation. We've covered all this misguided nonsense a dozen times and presented facts for your education.
4. See my sig line. It applies to you.
BDOGKush
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I can't see sig lines on the mobile site.
I've always understood the way LST and SCRoG work is that by bending the lateral shoot breaks the dominance of the apical bud which causes the side shoots to recieve auxins like the apical bud. So that's why I said apical dominance is changing.
As its been pointed out repeatedly on this thread, I don't defoliate.
UncleReemis
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That's what happens when a pretentious bastard grows his ego off of a popular thread he created.
There, got my shit talk in for this one.